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Noob
I'm looking to get myself a gaming PC, but unfortunately I'm not very good with what specs I should want n such.

I'll be using this TV as a monitor: Here

I don't want to break the bank, and have been looking at this system as my first gaming PC: Here

From what I can tell, it doesn't look too shabby, apart from the Graphics Card; which I've read is the most important thing. I won't be playing games in ultra specs, but I don't want something that'll be outdated in a year or two.

Was wondering if any PC gurus/enthusiasts could point me in the right direction of it's a good purchase or not, and why.

Baring in mind I'll be using Windows 7 x64 Operating System.
 

Derptile

RIP Ex Smash
Onboard GPU? lmao


Just make your own PC, takes about 20 minutes to find out the steps and a day of setting it up yourself. These "gaming" PCs are for the most part a scam.
 

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Noob
Onboard GPU? lmao


Just make your own PC, takes about 20 minutes to find out the steps and a day of setting it up yourself. These "gaming" PCs are for the most part a scam.
If I'm not very good with specs .. what makes you think I possess the ability to make my own PC? lol. I wouldn't know where to start, what to do, and I would have nothing to fall back on if it didn't work, it would be my own fault.

Also, I don't even know what onboard GPU is lol.
 

Derptile

RIP Ex Smash
If I'm not very good with specs .. what makes you think I possess the ability to make my own PC? lol. I wouldn't know where to start, what to do, and I would have nothing to fall back on if it didn't work, it would be my own fault.

Also, I don't even know what onboard GPU is lol.
Like I said, 20 minutes.
 

Mikemetroid

Who hired this guy, WTF?
Get one with dedicated graphics card.

Don't give the excuse that you're not very good with specs, you need to at least know the basics if you plan to PC game.
 

OnlineRon91

Joker++
As Derptile stated, you will get much more for your money's worth by learning how to make your own PC.

It is actually not as hard as you think, newegg has a few youtube videos that will take you from the very beginning to a finished product.

What is your price range? That would help us help you better :)
 
Don't listen to anyone who tries to judge the quality of your computer without asking you what games you are generally looking to play and what your standard of quality is.

Especially if you want good bang for your buck- the machine should be a best fit for you.

1) name a couple games you'll play

2) is 48 fps ok with you if it gets you better post processing effects?
 

Thead

Noob
Get one with dedicated graphics card.

Don't give the excuse that you're not very good with specs, you need to at least know the basics if you plan to PC game.
I'm not good with specs, what I know about what I'm looking for I found here.

I just wanted other peoples input before I went and blew cash on something I'm not particularly familiar with.
 

Sami

Noob
It's all about the graphics card. Most games haven't been CPU bound on the PC for many years and with the next gen of controls having less CPU power available for the games (remember they don't have access to all of those many cores) that won't really change much. In addition, unless you want to play Crysis or BF4 on the highest settings then a mid-range GPU will be just fine and again will last you for years if you don't want the max settings. I'm a pure PC gamer these days and I'm using a 3.5 year old mid-range card that still runs most things on high (Geforce 460 GTX). Always stay away from integrated graphics cards though and the low-tier ones as the savings are not worth the HUGE performance loss you'll get.

Things I need to know:

1) What is your budget?
2) Can you build it yourself? If not, do you have a local computer store near by who can build it for you?
3) Can you salvage any parts from an old PC that you're not using? Old parts mainly being the hard drive and DVD drive.
 

Thead

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What is your price range? That would help us help you better :)
Don't really wanna spend more than £500. I also need to get a wireless mouse and keyboard.

Don't listen to anyone who tries to judge the quality of your computer without asking you what games you are generally looking to play and what your standard of quality is.

Especially if you want good bang for your buck- the machine should be a best fit for you.

1) name a couple games you'll play

2) is 48 fps ok with you if it gets you better post processing effects?
I'm looking to get Thief and Elder Scrolls Online. Other than that I'll mostly be playing RTS games and the odd FPS.

48 Frames will be fine as long as everything is running smoothly.
 

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It's all about the graphics card. Most games haven't been CPU bound on the PC for many years and with the next gen of controls having less CPU power available for the games (remember they don't have access to all of those many cores) that won't really change much. In addition, unless you want to play Crysis or BF4 on the highest settings then a mid-range GPU will be just fine and again will last you for years if you don't want the max settings. I'm a pure PC gamer these days and I'm using a 3.5 year old mid-range card that still runs most things on high (Geforce 460 GTX). Always stay away from integrated graphics cards though and the low-tier ones as the savings are not worth the HUGE performance loss you'll get.

Things I need to know:

1) What is your budget?
2) Can you build it yourself? If not, do you have a local computer store near by who can build it for you?
3) Can you salvage any parts from an old PC that you're not using? Old parts mainly being the hard drive and DVD drive.
Thanks for the input. Budget is around £500, as I also need a wireless mouse and keyboard.

I would prefer not to build it myself, as then I'm held responsible if something breaks. Not to sure about somewhere that could build it for me, but I'm sure there will be somewhere that can. - Ideally I want to buy a pre-constructed one, I'm not gonna be going balls out and running everything on the highest settings.

No parts I can salvage :(
 

OnlineRon91

Joker++
Don't really wanna spend more than £500. I also need to get a wireless mouse and keyboard.



I'm looking to get Thief and Elder Scrolls Online. Other than that I'll mostly be playing RTS games and the odd FPS.

48 Frames will be fine as long as everything is running smoothly.
That is more than enough for a great PC.

A neat way to find out what you want is checking out whichever game you want to play and look up their recommended specs. This will give you details on what you might need.
 

Sami

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Thanks for the input. Budget is around £500, as I also need a wireless mouse and keyboard.

I would prefer not to build it myself, as then I'm held responsible if something breaks. Not to sure about somewhere that could build it for me, but I'm sure there will be somewhere that can. - Ideally I want to buy a pre-constructed one, I'm not gonna be going balls out and running everything on the highest settings.

No parts I can salvage :(
You're still covered under warranty for the individual parts if they go wrong. Obviously if you try and slot in a graphics card with a hammer then they won't pay (seriously, don't do that) but besides that anything that goes wrong down the line can and will be replaced if it goes kaput.
 

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You're still covered under warranty for the individual parts if they go wrong. Obviously if you try and slot in a graphics card with a hammer then they won't pay (seriously, don't do that) but besides that anything that goes wrong down the line can and will be replaced if it goes kaput.
May not be the best with computers but I'ld like to think I wouldn't fit things in with a hammer lol.

So the general consensus is the PC I was looking at in the OP is a no no? This one .. and that's based on the Graphics Card? Everything else is up to par?
 

OnlineRon91

Joker++
My recommendations ...

RAM: 8 GB DDR3
Processor: Intel i5 Quad-Core
Power Supply: 600 - 750 Watts
Video Card: EVGA Geforce GTX 650 1GB (1024 MB) Video Card
Mouse + Keyboard + Computer Case + Hard Drive + DVD Drive: Up to you
Motherboard: Anything that supports all of the above

You can can add "or more" to the specs. These are just the minimum requirements for a PC that will let you play ALL games, either on max (looking at most RTS games) or medium (Battlefield 4, etc).
 

OnlineRon91

Joker++
May not be the best with computers but I'ld like to think I wouldn't fit things in with a hammer lol.

So the general consensus is the PC I was looking at in the OP is a no no? This one .. and that's based on the Graphics Card? Everything else is up to par?
Yes the on board video card is not so good and the power supply is on the low end.
 
My recommendations ...

RAM: 8 GB DDR3
Processor: Intel i5 Quad-Core
Power Supply: 600 - 750 Watts
Video Card: EVGA Geforce GTX 650 1GB (1024 MB) Video Card
Mouse + Keyboard + Computer Case + Hard Drive + DVD Drive: Up to you
Motherboard: Anything that supports all of the above

You can can add "or more" to the specs. These are just the minimum requirements for a PC that will let you play ALL games, either on max (looking at most RTS games) or medium (Battlefield 4, etc).
This is a good build, and probably should come up to about the same price as the original rig he was looking at.
 

Sami

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Yes the on board video card is not so good and the power supply is on the low end.
CPU is a bit on the poor side too. PSU wattage is fine (no point getting a higher wattage if the box doesn't draw that much) but it's probably a crap no-brand one which is BAAAAAAAD. One of the few things you should never skimp on as a crap PSU (as in poor quality, not lower wattage) can fry your entire machine.
 

trustinme

xbl-OBS trustinme
I have absolutely no idea what anything in this thread means. I didnt realise pc's were used for anything other than finding pure filth.speaking of which I think it's time to mb back 3 myself to some classic creampie action.
 

Sami

Noob
The 3 most important purchases:

CPU: Intel Core i5-3350P: £127.49
3.1ghz processor, 4 cores (actually has 4, rather than the i3 which has 2 cores with 2 "threads" per core). Currently top of Tom's Hardware's mid-range gaming CPU suggestions and this will last you for years. Doesn't matter that it's based on Intel's 3rd generation (the 3000 naming) rather than the brand new 4th generation and the improvements are minimal for the price increase.

Graphics Card: Geforce GTI 650 Ti BOOST 2gb: £124.38
Great graphics card. Also from Tom's Hardware's list. However, they have the 1GB listed for around £120 price mark and Scan are doing the 2gb model at the same price. Which is great. Card is completely "future proof" unless you try and run it through a 4K television, but then most graphics cards choke on that anyway including the high-end ones. If you're looking around for other shops ensure you get the "BOOST" version of this card. The regular version is much lower in spec (the BOOST is a bit of a hybrid between the 650 and 660).

This card is currently out of stock with Scan (not surprised) but they usually honour pre-order prices if it goes up. If they're unable to then you'll get an email asking you if you want to cancel the order (and get a refund).

Power Supply: Corsair 500w CS Builder: £46.84
500w is more than enough to power this CPU/GPU combo. Corsair are an excellent brand (NEVER BUY CHEAP GENERIC PSUs!!!) and I've personally used the builder ones in a number of machines and they've worked perfectly. The one linked above has a good enough 12v rail (don't ask, just accept) to power the graphics card listed too.

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That all comes to £298.71. To finish it off you need a motherboard, RAM, case, hard drive, DVD drive and your mouse and keyboard. For these you can go for the "cheap and branded" route on all of them.

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Motherboard £47.00: http://www.ebuyer.com/363618-msi-b75ma-p45-socket-1155-vga-dvi-8-channel-audio-atx-motherboard-b75ma-p45

Does what you need. Cheapest full-sized motherboard (microATX motherboards have issues with cases and ventilation). Has USB3.0 support which is nice (and rare at that price). Cheapset is cheap, but cheap means doesn't have all the bells and whistles to support overlocking rather than being shit. One bad comment about it not recognising XP3 or a SATA hard drive - I have no idea what that guy is on about as the mobo does that fine (and XP3 has known issues with SATA drives). Even if this was somehow a legitimate issue, you're using Windows 7 which has none of these problems.

8gb RAM: £57.58: 2x http://www.ebuyer.com/394560-kingston-4gb-ddr3-1333mhz-memory-kvr13n9s8-4
RAM has 2 stats that actually impact performance: transfer speed and timing. For transfer speed, 1333mhz is fine and you won't notice the difference for the higher stuff unless you do nothing but run benchmarks (for gaming, your CPU or GPU will be choking long before RAM becomes an issue, as games do not need massive RAM through-put). The timings is completely useless and you will never notice the difference between CL6, CL9 or CL10 ram.

For some reason getting two single sticks of 4gb was much cheaper than the 8gb kits containing 2x4gb sticks. Don't be put off by the "value" part of the RAM - it's made by Kingston so will still be top quality and won't break. The value part means it's utterly rubbish for overclocking (which you won't be doing anyway) and other fancy hardware tweaking.

Don't buy a single stick of RAM either - always do it in pairs (i.e. get 2x4gb rather than 1x8gb) as it means you get the full speed from "Dual Channel" motherboards (which the one I linked is). Pretty sure 1 stick = half the speed, which you will notice.

Case: £34.98 http://www.ebuyer.com/233740-coolermaster-elite-430-all-black-interior-mid-tower-case-with-side-window-rc-430-kwn1
Bargin. You will get usable cheaper cases, but the airflow will be crap, the construction will be crap and they probably won't have USB3.0 on the front. Great case, great manufacturer, USB3.0 on the front along with the usual other ports, isn't as tall as most full-sized cases (this is a good thing as most of that space is just wasted), supports stupidly long graphics cards (not sure if the one linked is) and will basically last you for life.

A couple of the comments on the ebuyer page are slating it. I got worried, looked up some reviews and it's actually gotten a lot of praise from good tech-review sites. It is still an entry level case, but for what it offers at £35 it can't be beaten. In addition, it also has screwless fittings for some of the accessories (hard drive, DVD drive) which will make them much easier to install.

500gb HD: £37.98: http://www.ebuyer.com/272944-seagate-500gb-barracuda-internal-hard-drive-st500dm002
1tb HD: £44.98: http://www.ebuyer.com/319639-seagate-1tb-barracuda-internal-hard-drive-oem-st1000dm003

Pick one. 500gb is fine. 1tb means you can be REALLY lazy when it comes to not uninstalling things and amass a gargantuan collection of porn and illegal movie/music downloads.

DVD writer: £11.98 http://www.ebuyer.com/506016-samsung-24x-sata-internal-dvd-rw-bare-black-sh-224db-bebe
Because it's only £2 more expensive than just getting a reader. OEM means no cables. I have 100% no clue if the motherboard comes with any (you'll need one for the hard drive and the DVD drive), so treat yourself to...

2x SATA3 cables: £1.68: http://www.ebuyer.com/248882-xenta-sata-3-cable-6gbps-46cm-est-sata3-0

Just in case :)


Grand total of: £496.91 (with 1tb drive). Which of course, leaves you no money left for the wireless keyboard and mouse. lol. You can easily get away with dropping the graphics card down to something cheaper. However, before you do I suggest you shop around for cheaper versions of the stuff I posted. You should be able to get some bits cheaper from Amazon, just make sure it's free delivery (if shipped via Amazon then you can get it with Super Saver, otherwise if it's a 3rd party you'll need to check on the product page).

Big issue with all of this is that it needs assembling yourself which is actually very easy nowadays as all of the connectors only go one-way and pretty much everything just plugs in and works. You will never get as good a PC for whatever you're willing to spend if it's prebuild than had you built it yourself as the builders will use lower-performance parts and include their labour time in the price. The profit margins on PC components are thin before factoring in staff wages for building the thing. Once you've built one, all future PCs (or even just upgrades) are the simplest thing in the world.
 
It's literally so easy to build a PC, just go to some super nerdy PC forum and them niggas will pick the parts for you, just give them a general list of games, your budget and they'll help you, after that you can just decide which ones you want because you'll have a general idea of what to look for.

Putting it together is easy as fuck, the main thing is the motherboard, everything else you just stick in and go balls deep.
 

Sami

Noob
Cheaper option. CPU and GPU based on advice on Tom's Hardware as per usual.

CPU: £87.41: http://www.ebuyer.com/538188-intel-core-i3-4130-3-40ghz-socket-1150-3mb-cache-retail-boxed-processor-bx80646i34130
Not as future proof as only dual core. Will need different motherboard - listed below. I can see why Tom's Hardware picked it out - price/performance is great. The next model up costs nearly another £10 for a tiny speed bump (3.4ghz to 3.5ghz).

Motherboard £48.60: http://www.ebuyer.com/546303-asus-h81-plus-socket-1150-8-channel-hd-audio-atx-motherboard-h81-plus
Pretty much what I said about the original applies to this too. A couple of quid more expensive than the first one but needed for the much cheaper CPU as that CPU is based on the newer architecture.

GPU: £88.22: http://www.saverstore.com/product/20379519/7725665/Asus-HD7790-DC2OC-1GD5---1GB-Radeon-HD-7790-GDDR5?gclid=CPbyj8Ww07sCFUbKtAod8VcAQg
Note that I have no idea if SaverStore is a good place to buy from (time for you do so some research!) but they have the cheapest non-crap-brand version of that card. eBuyer only stock an expensive non-name version.

Comes to £422.27 with the rest of the components. Given the choice, I would drop the graphics card and keep the CPU as the dual core ones really are slowly on their way out. That said, they still perform very well (as do all Intel CPUs) and are more than enough for most games, although trying to play something like Rome 2 on it (you said you wanted RTS) might be a struggle in the huge battles.

Dropping only the graphics card covers the cost of your wireless mouse and keyboard too.

some super nerdy PC forum and them niggas will pick the parts for you
Some of us visit other forums too ;)