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Parasurama

Parasurama

Dragon
Youphemism said:
Dude F243~reload has always been safe, look at the frame data lol. And B143 isn't cancellable, although the string itself is safe, but if you mean B14~reload then yeah it's safer from max distance but it's still -7 up close.

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I've seen a lot of people suggest reload-related changes like a MB version that removed autoblock or made it faster or something like that. Personally I don't think Ancestral's up close game is what needs changed since he already hits like a truck and he's safe for the most part, I reckon if they reduced the recovery on his air arrows and removed the timer on stun arrow he'd be so solid it might become a variation worth using for counterpicks. Right now the recovery on air arrows is HORRIBLE and stun arrow is limited by both number and time given to use it.
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People have been suggesting they remove the timer since forever but they don't want to do it seems or they do not care about abstain because enough people play the other 2. If I sacrifice a combo to load then I want my load to be worth it not to have the load be pointless. I agree about the air arrows so he is able to play the zoning game.
 
RM NoBrows

RM NoBrows

Supah hawt fiyah
What would be coolio, is if load had an ex version that was roughly 2-3 frames faster and have a hitbox that would launch you straight up
 
STRYKIE

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
Youphemism said:
I don't understand what this means...
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Pretty sure he meant EX arrows and for whatever reason he just said armor lol.


the.hamburglar said:
Nowwww I see why people say Ancestral was never allowed to live.
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Because he's not left at advantage for cancelling blockstrings into a move with it's main intention being to change the properties of his projectiles? Ehh.. sounds a bit entitled. It's just a nice bonus that it happens to keep some strings safe/pseudo-safe.

There are plenty of things that could be better about Ancestral but I don't think this needs to be one of them.
 
Youphemism

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
STRYKIE said:
Pretty sure he meant EX arrows and for whatever reason he just said armor lol.



Because he's not left at advantage for cancelling blockstrings into a move with it's main intention being to change the properties of his projectiles? Ehh.. sounds a bit entitled. It's just a nice bonus that it happens to keep some strings safe/pseudo-safe.

There are plenty of things that could be better about Ancestral but I don't think this needs to be one of them.
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No I mean I don't get what the whole post meant nor what it was in reference to.

And also you're missing the point. It's not that the reload cancels should be plus, it's the fact that 98% of them are unsafe. Some of them even on HIT. It's not entitled to want a safe way to get the tool out that he needs to get damage. Especially since once he has one his turn would be over and if he wanted to do it again he'd have to switch to a different arrow that would net him less damage once he opens someone up.

But I do agree it's not the priority here, adjusting his Ancestral-specific directional arrow recovery and removing the timer from stun arrow is more important.
 
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lok0raiikid

Noob
In my opinion character is good. Just needs 2 things to be Hella good. Just a little better recovery on his arrows (not that important) and a faster back 2 so we can use it as a footsie tool (it's a little hard starting your offense with a 16 start up move). I think 13f would be perfect and wouldn't make him broken imo.
 
Youphemism

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
lok0raiikid said:
In my opinion character is good. Just needs 2 things to be Hella good. Just a little better recovery on his arrows (not that important) and a faster back 2 so we can use it as a footsie tool (it's a little hard starting your offense with a 16 start up move). I think 13f would be perfect and wouldn't make him broken imo.
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Changing the recovery on the arrows is more important than changing B2. B2 is fine as it is, it has great range and isn't that slow tbh. Plus you have B1 which is also advancing and hits faster if B2 isn't good enough for you. But this is a topic for the Ancestral general discussion thread, not this one :p
 
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