Question - Outlaw Am I supposed to just die to the command grab?

[TurnipLord]

I have no idea how to effectively deal with his 21122 block string + command grab mixups. The only way for me to survive unscathed is to guess when he's going to command grab in that string and attack. Meanwhile, he can either just continue the string and end up at -1 on block or hit me with a combo on hit when I guess incorrectly, or he can cancel into ex sand grenade which is +7 on block and combo on hit.

This seems much worse than a 50/50.

 

[Mr. Mileena]

It's a 25/25/25/25

 

[Tokiwartoothxdk]

It's a 25/25/25/25

lol this is more like russian roulette than a coin flip

 

[Orochi]

Have superior footsies so you don't have to deal with the mix ups.

 

[Pakman]

Block the string low > when you see the command grab start up, RELEASE BLOCK to avoid it completely and whiff punish. You have options. Heads or tails kind of options...

Spoiler

Also, this is the second thread on this topic...please use search function next time thanks

 

[Braindead]

Lol I love the title of this thread.

 

[Ugodimak]

Forget Goro, this is the real punchwalk.

 

[TurnipLord]

Block low > interrupt the tackle with d1/3 or RELEASE BLOCK as soon as you see the start up of command grab to avoid it completely and whiff punish.

Also, this is the second thread on this topic...please use search function next time

I don't think I can do that O_O

Not sure if it's just cuz I only play online, but there's no way I'm reacting to 16 frame anythings.

It's hard to even be prepared to react to that considering how fast that string goes.

Are there actually people that can react to it? Does Jesus play MKX?

 

[Pakman]

Online you're eating command grabs all day son lol. I'd advise local online play at the very most.

Erron is difficult to react to even offline though, I make no apologies for using this scumbag character and/or hitting you with his multiple 50/50s...into 50/50s.

 

[TurnipLord]

Online you're eating command grabs all day son lol. I'd advise local online play at the very most.

Erron is difficult to react to even offline though, I make no apologies for using this scumbag character and/or hitting you with his multiple 50/50s...into 50/50s.

How scary

 

[ShotgunInsanity]

I don't think I can do that O_O

Not sure if it's just cuz I only play online, but there's no way I'm reacting to 16 frame anythings.

It's hard to even be prepared to react to that considering how fast that string goes.

Are there actually people that can react to it? Does Jesus play MKX?

16 frames is definitely possible to react to, you're gonna have to be looking for it but good luck trying that online.

 

[Tony at Home]

Block the string low > when you see the command grab start up, RELEASE BLOCK to avoid it completely and whiff punish.

...not sure if serious....

 

[chores]

It's a 25/25/25/25

wouldnt is be more apt to call it a 75/25? since you have a 1 in 4 chance to guess correctly

 

[ATP2014]

16 frames is not reactable, especially in a pressured environment where the attacker has multiple options

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

Yes. Just die to it.

 

[ShotgunInsanity]

16 frames is not reactable, especially in a pressured environment where the attacker has multiple options

My fastest reaction time in game is 11 frames. (I recorded it on my xbone) 11 out of 60 frames is .18 seconds and the average reaction time for people is .21 seconds for a visual stimulus.

 

[Slips]

My fastest reaction time in game is 11 frames. (I recorded it on my xbone) 11 out of 60 frames is .18 seconds and the average reaction time for people is .21 seconds for a visual stimulus.

There's a difference between visual stimulus and move recognition.

 

[ShotgunInsanity]

There's a difference between visual stimulus and move recognition.

True, BTW I hope I didn't sound like I was saying reacting to the command grab would be easy, but I do believe it is possible to react to it at least once.

 

[Slips]

True, BTW I hope I didn't sound like I was saying reacting to the command grab would be easy, but I do believe it is possible to react to it at least once.

If you can't react to it every time then you aren't really reacting. You are guessing.

Someone put up a very good 'test' awhile back. It was testing your reaction time but it wasn't as simple as seeing a red dot turn green. It was seeing the arrow on a keyboard and hitting them as fast as possible and gave you the frames per second you reacted to. Damn I wish I could find it.

 

[Landonio]

Have superior footsies so you don't have to deal with the mix ups.

OH, well that makes it balanced, right? The more you know! Thanks for enlightening us all with your wise words. Pack it up and shut it down guys. Orochi just dropped the knowledge bomb and murdered this scrubby thread. Git gud, TC.

Unless you're trolling, then 6/10.

 

[Banazama]

If you can't react to it every time then you aren't really reacting. You are guessing.

Someone put up a very good 'test' awhile back. It was testing your reaction time but it wasn't as simple as seeing a red dot turn green. It was seeing the arrow on a keyboard and hitting them as fast as possible and gave you the frames per second you reacted to. Damn I wish I could find it.

It's not the test you mentioned, but the Guilty Gear community made a useful reaction time test that's even applicable to fighting games.

http://puu.sh/48rFU.swf

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

It's not the test you mentioned, but the Guilty Gear community made a useful reaction time test that's even applicable to fighting games.

http://puu.sh/48rFU.swf

Yo this is kind of fun when you're not eating 50% when you guess wrong/didn't react fast enough

 

[ATP2014]

http://www.teyah.net/MilliaBlocker_v0.3.swf

Not sure if this is the same test as posted above, but this also tests reaction time. It will take a while to get used to the system, but if you are getting an average of 15 frames or less, go sign up for the next tournament and body everyone for using reactable mixups.

 

[DavS13]

My fastest reaction time in game is 11 frames. (I recorded it on my xbone) 11 out of 60 frames is .18 seconds and the average reaction time for people is .21 seconds for a visual stimulus.

Pretty sure it is physically impossible to react to 11 frames man, I don't think you know to conduct your tests correctly.

 

[MK_Al]

But there's a difference in reacting to like an arrow that goes random directions on a screen and the issue we are talking about. A punish in a fighting game - to keep it general - is not a raw reaction; it's a mix of anticipation and reaction. I mean people are whiff punishing normals in SF4.