thanx alot reno thats really helpful, u see those things got me confused coz i was trying to find the best cancel on block where at least i can be neutral using noob's blackhole at the end of a blockstring, duration of blackhole says 49 so i guess there is no way, but upknee is +4, so technically doin b1 upknee (max range upknee according to reo's video) and then blackhole (13f -11= 2f) , but then again why the hell am i talking about noob in rain forum, lol thanx ma man