General/Other - Cyrax Suggested Cyrax Changes for Patch

MadeOfMetal said:

i can help you understand, as of now, thats one of his greatest tools. He uses Low bombs after a net combo, to creat a hard to blockable(which by the way i and many have proven are very blockable with practice, and not only but are very escapable) each one of them are based on a Hard read by Cyrax, there at any given time Cyrax does a Setup there is not 1 way not 2 ways but 3-5 ways to get out of each one. that gives Cyrax a 1/3 to 1/5 chance to have success with them. provided the opponent actually knows the matchup. doing what you suggested would Take away his ability to set traps which is The pure essence of Cyrax.

Since he sucks in Neutral and Zoning and a couple other areas at least he has the capability of laning a possibly tricky setup. with that he wouldn't even have that.

But i understand you didn't know this.

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I'm aware of this as I play cyrax. Just remember what Paulo gives he takes. If in fact IF a patch comes he will be helped but I know some things will change and I'm ready to accept that.

MadeOfMetal said:

now tha

t you must understand now, his setupos is all he is anymore. and Cyrax mains would Cry with that change. He needs that more than anything, not to mention 90% of them are completely avoided by Tech roll.

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If they adjust and help him so he's not so one dimisional as you stated would you cry if the htb are gone?

just_2swift said:

I'm aware of this as I play cyrax. Just remember what Paulo gives he takes. If in fact IF a patch comes he will be helped but I know some things will change and I'm ready to accept that.

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Considering the cast all the way to A+ from S he has nothing majorly broken. as in he makes opponent play his game. for everything he has there is a way out, not forcing you to play it like Demo/Alien/Ermac BS.

Honestly ewhere he stands he could possibly get 6 adjustments/buffs and thats it.

just_2swift said:

If they adjust and help him so he's not so one dimisional as you stated would you cry if the htb are gone?

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yes... i love that about him. and you can get out of them, like i said, tools that should be nerfed are ones that break the game and force a "one up" on opponent. and make them play the your game. Cyrax does not do this with the HTB. he offers many ways out of it and all you need and require to do this is to know the matchup. its not like you require a specific move or tool. the options to avoid it is universal. like Tech roll and Back dash, and Jump. and everyone has Armor. each setup is different and each one has an opening.


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and since Cyrax has no real safe way to mixup into a combo without meter even after the changes we requested its all fair. only thing we are asking is small adjustments to the completely unfair "Nerf in Case BS that happened on 3-29" there was no real concrete evedince that Cyrax needed any of the changes other than Loop Reset which they took and much more "just in Case".

glad to talk but ima hop on the MKXL PC and play some, and probably check out the Battlefield 1 Beta. its been great talking Just 2 Swift like always.

MadeOfMetal said:

yes... i love that about him. and you can get out of them, like i said, tools that should be nerfed are ones that break the game and force a "one up" on opponent. and make them play the your game. Cyrax does not do this with the HTB. he offers many ways out of it and all you need and require to do this is to know the matchup. its not like you require a specific move or tool. the options to avoid it is universal. like Tech roll and Back dash, and Jump. and everyone has Armor. each setup is different and each one has an opening.


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and since Cyrax has no real safe way to mixup into a combo without meter even after the changes we requested its all fair. only thing we are asking is small adjustments to the completely unfair "Nerf in Case BS that happened on 3-29" there was no real concrete evedince that Cyrax needed any of the changes other than Loop Reset which they took and much more "just in Case"

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So let's say he's buffed to top 5 status htb are gone... Farfetched I know but how would you feel. I love set up characters like rax as they show creativity of the player and hard work pays. I'm not saying he's busted like the top 5 his mix up game is how everyones should be. He's the reason why I still play mkx he's fun

just_2swift said:

So let's say he's buffed to top 5 status htb are gone... Farfetched I know but how would you feel. I love set up characters like rax as they show creativity of the player and hard work pays. I'm not saying he's busted like the top 5 his mix up game is how everyones should be. He's the reason why I still play mkx he's fun

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Cyrax is a big reason I still play as well.

I honestly don't think the HTBs will be removed. Cyrax is a set up character and removing that part of him (top 5 or not) would ruin the character for me. The set ups are what I enjoy most.

Reaper said:

2. Make EX Teleport Launch, as it stands right now we have an armored wakeup/reversal that is slow, doesn't combo, does poor damage, AND it is punishable. There is little reason for the opponent so respect this option as we have spent the bar just so we can get a little breathing room. Did i also mention that landing EX tele makes net misfire even though it doesnt combo? That is right if you manage to get enough of a juggle to throw out a net, it will misfire.

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definitely shouldn't launch. other than glitch fixes i think he's fine. seems pretty good to me but eh i only use him on the side

The Abbot said:

Cyrax is a big reason I still play as well.

I honestly don't think the HTBs will be removed. Cyrax is a set up character and removing that part of him (top 5 or not) would ruin the character for me. The set ups are what I enjoy most.

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Agreed. He's my favorite mix god in mkx because its balanced mixing. What if they allowed him to low bomb once and in the reset attempt low bomb miss fires

example
Njp b2 s4 net low bomb ~ htb b1 (reset) njp b2 s4 net low bomb (miss fire)

He can still air bomb and low bomb x2 for htb set up because he will still be be able to low bomb after air bomb.

just_2swift said:

Agreed. He's my favorite mix god in mkx because its balanced mixing. What if they allowed him to low bomb once and in the reset attempt low bomb miss fires

example
Njp b2 s4 net low bomb ~ htb b1 (reset) njp b2 s4 net low bomb (miss fire)

He can still air bomb and low bomb x2 for htb set up because he will still be be able to low bomb after air bomb.

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This just kinda sounds like another nerf to me lol. I don't see NRS giving us back nets after htb resets to even make this possible.

You guys use MB AA Grab to hitconfirm a Jump Kick into a full combo, right?

I see people saying AA grab has no use currently, but it does for F43 OS and hitconfirming a jump kick. When buffing Cyrax, this move doesn't need to be looked at as severely as other areas.

PND_Ketchup said:

You guys use MB AA Grab to hitconfirm a Jump Kick into a full combo, right?

I see people saying AA grab has no use currently, but it does for F43 OS and hitconfirming a jump kick. When buffing Cyrax, this move doesn't need to be looked at as severely as other areas.

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Spot on

PND_Ketchup said:

You guys use MB AA Grab to hitconfirm a Jump Kick into a full combo, right?

I see people saying AA grab has no use currently, but it does for F43 OS and hitconfirming a jump kick. When buffing Cyrax, this move doesn't need to be looked at as severely as other areas.

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Yes. I actually use it for anti airs as well. Usually when people are jumping around like maniacs. Buffs for it would be useful. But unnecessary.

F4 with better collision and safe on block? Talk about heaven. s2 to be mid would be welcomed.

If they took away his setups and gave him other buffs i'd drop him. Even if he were to become top 5 from those buffs. He'd be bland and boring to me.

just_2swift said:

F4 with better collision and safe on block? Talk about heaven. s2 to be mid would be welcomed.

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F4 safe on block? That's a bit too much, don't you think? Considering the fact that you can do f4 xx buzzsaw, f43 xx airgrab to be safe as well with a safe f4. I don't think that would be fair.

That was just a "what if" there's no telling what Paulo will do.

xxFalcon Loverxx said:

F4 safe on block? That's a bit too much, don't you think? Considering the fact that you can do f4 xx buzzsaw, f43 xx airgrab to be safe as well with a safe f4. I don't think that would be fair.

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Nope not at all. There is a gap "f4(3)" and no mix up in that sequence. Is this good?absolutely. But not broken imo.

Bombs are unblockable again and needed changes to make it not broken.

I want the cyrax zoning back :<

xxFalcon Loverxx said:

F4 safe on block? That's a bit too much, don't you think? Considering the fact that you can do f4 xx buzzsaw, f43 xx airgrab to be safe as well with a safe f4. I don't think that would be fair.

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F43 is nowhere near safe, its crouchable and a very risky string to be used since its borderline reactible. but i see where you are coming from about its a bit much, and i was one who suggested the change. and i stand by it.


On another note, they surly know how bad they fucked up on Cyrax Nerfs. we all know what he needs and have made sound suggestions. Lets hope NRS sees them. Im almost scared of them changing him at all, but it needs to be done. his setups need to stay there untouched and he definitely needs Launching Shrapnel Port. thats 100%, but he also needs Adjustments with wiffing strings, and Glitches fixed, that nerf really did him in.

As long as:

F2 becoms true mid

F4 is better on block

Teleport Launches for a bar and retains the Armor and armor is fixed

Net is fixed on last half to actually hold opponent

And teleport does not glitch and add recovery frames.

I will be 100% satisfied with Cyrax.

He really doesn't need anything but Teleport launch and a few bug fixes that i and many have suggested, where specials and Normals where not functioning properly.

Other than that i feel he is solid. and doesn't need any frame buffs or anything outrageous like some have stated.

but if he gets more i am a Cyrax main and i won't complain as long as he does not become too good. I want him to not climb to much, in this community S tier through A+ get Nerfs and grief and i want to stay between A and B in the comfort Zone.

If Cyrax were buffed into the top 5, not only would I continue to co-main him, I would delight in drinking the tears that would ensue. The Aliens, and Mileenas etc. have had their time to shine.

SOULWARRIOR 71K said:

If Cyrax were buffed into the top 5, not only would I continue to co-main him, I would delight in drinking the tears that would ensue. The Aliens, and Mileenas etc. have had there time to shine.

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Amen

just_2swift said:

Amen

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But i dont want him top 5 maybe top 15 or bottom 20 is the sweatspot range. he is more likely gonna be close to top 15 than bottom 20 with changes i suggested but deservingly so. since what they did to him was both unjust and without any evidence.

I hope they fix the bug where 1 1 whiffs on some chars, even while they are blocking.

Vini_Strife said:

I hope they fix the bug where 1 1 whiffs on some chars, even while they are blocking.

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i'll take it for cage too !

Zionix said:

i'll take it for cage too !

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Yep, Cassie Cage, Kitana, Dvorah, Tremor, Sub Zero, Ermac (with classic Skin), Scorpion... all chars with differente hurt boxes