TYM's Hot Topic of the Week: Do we ban Scorpion from tournament play?

[Vogue]

He Lex isn't a zoner that is what I'm saying. Anyone with trait armor can fight scorpion.

 

[Zenrot]

Lex isn't a zoner though. He's ment to rush down. Once lex puts up armor and rushes scorpion down, he cannot do much.

That's not the point of his post. The point of his post is that he was forced to pick a different character simply because Scorpion devalidates everyone barring a few characters that are viable against him.

 

[Treadmill]

Fun is subjective. I think someone blocking in the middle of my combo is not fun.

Yes it is. im just saying they are attempting to appeal to the masses, not the few.


True. You just cried to NRS about safe low gunshots just like 80% of this community.

 

[atljonesbro1]

Oh I offer my heartfelt condolences sir. Tell me more about how you were crusading against MK9 turning into a 3 man game and driving new players away because NRS didn't want to give the poster boy a supposedly universal, staple asset of the game. By all means, don't buff Scorpion.

The game wasn't even MK9 when you use him, they may aswell just name it "Scorpion loses Scorpion loses Scorpion loses Scorpion loses"

Mk9 has literally nothing to do with anything. One game is messed up so all should be? That your logic?

 

[K7L33THA]

MK9 is alot less broken and more diverse than its being given credit for in this thread.

 

[OriginalRazer]

Give it more time my PS3s a brick at the minute so I have barely had 10 mins game time with him. I was gonna main Scorp/sub if they both got released.

All the best,
OBS

 

[Zoidberg747]

MK9 is alot less broken and more diverse than its being given credit for in this thread.

It is only diverse because there is a ton of broken characters in that game. It also had 3 years to grow.

Injustice has had 3 months and we all supposedly know everything. I would guess that down the road there will be as many broken characters as there was in MK9.

 

[STRYKIE]

That could be because Tekken and Virtua Fighter are not very fun to watch for most people.

3S and Marvel were fun to watch and hype so it mattered less if the game was balanced or not. I highly doubt 3S would've had less exposure if it was more balanced. The gameplay would still be the same, it would still be fun to play/watch and it would still be hype. The only difference is how many characters are viable. And more diversity = more players and more interesting matches.

Amongst today's FGC who live under the masquerade that fighting games were dead for years until SF4, and deem the most fluid of games clunky and/or gimmicky if they don't understand the footsies in the said game, yeah they won't find it fun to watch. TTT1 had a very strong following circa 2003 even after T4 was released. There was no nostalgia novelty and 3D games were just flat out better. VF4 is a grey area since VF has had a hard time mustering interest outside of Asia in general.

That wasn't necessarily my point though, 3S thrived for as long as it did because despite the top 3 being usual picks, there were still so many possibilities and deep technical aspects of matchups to consider, even between those 3 characters alone. Just consider that Daigo vs Justin Wong losers finals at EVO 2004 is still more popular than most SF2/ST related media, despite the SF3 series not even mustering 10% of SF2's commercial success.

Injustice will never have those credentials in the long run, even without Scorpion. Nerf him, ban him, do what you want with him, someone will inevitably reignite the salt concerning things that don't comply with the metagame's state of affairs. And if MK9 is anything to go by, it'll only be worse. For now, there's too many other tings to consider when we're on the fringe of EVO.

 

[shaowebb]

All I can say for now is that when Zod releases we should all check Scorpion to see what happens that day. In his current state though...I simply cannot objectively justify allowing him at tournaments. He shuts down the meta of the game. I know the frequent patches have turned many from this game already...sales are great, but many wont stick to a game where every two weeks the meta changes. However, in this case I have to say for the first time here that I dont see folks learning the matchup and getting better. I honestly feel he locks down too much of the game for it to matter as even if you know the move and your options it doesn't change the fact that in air, during your moves, during zoning, when using interactibles and when caught in blockstrings your are always forced to scout that move.

For once folks should be hoping for a patch and a nerf is all I'm building to.

Every aspect of the game revolves around constantly trying to avoid that one move. You'd essentially have to vortex him straight to GG to avoid ever having to be forced on the defensive in this matchup. For that reason I can't support the current Scorpion at tourney and I'm very very disgusted for having to come to this conclusion...especially given how controversial an addition he was to a lot of the public. You know how enraged he's making casuals feel who were here mainly for DC? Its not very pretty...it may turn some casuals away from MK later on if they are upset over Scorpion messing with their fun in this game. He should be good, but he shouldn't screw with the meta this badly.

 

[atljonesbro1]

Injustice will never have those credentials in the long run, even without Scorpion. Nerf him, ban him, do what you want with him, someone will inevitably reignite the salt concerning things that don't comply with the metagame's state of affairs. And if MK9 is anything to go by, it'll only be worse. For now, there's too many other tings to consider when we're on the fringe of EVO.

Scorpion is definitely far and away the most important issue. You're insane saying otherwise.

 

[redeyes]

Lex isn't a zoner though. He's ment to rush down. Once lex puts up armor and rushes scorpion down, he cannot do much.

he said he uses lex cause he cant use a zoner & thats the problem

 

[Killphil]

Spoiler

 

[Vogue]

The difference between scorpions and interactable is that interactables add depth to the game scorpion simply removes it.

Interactables : what stage best suits my character, which do I pick for this matchup, do I use a string that knocks the character to the other side, do I go for stage transition and give up corner advantage, do I cross up in the corner to get myself a nice interactable, ect.

Interactable give you way more things to think about . Scorpion does the exact opposite. Scorpion makes you think , am I holding down, why wasn't I holding down, oh good I reacted to hellfire . And removes ability to use interactables, screen space, zoning characters, knockdown game.

 

[Saboteur-6]

With so many conflicting opinions on Scorpion it's hard to separate fact from fiction. REO does play him broken as hell though.

Q: Is Scorpion's "dirt" any worse than Cyrax's in MK9?

 

[BCE]

i really cant see why there is many people that think scorpion is a "normal/balanced" char.
let me point it out.
1- It is completely BROKEN an attack that is an instantenous auto crossup, in MK series its pointless because this game doesnt have crossup problem, just hold the block button.
2- the NRS tried to help by adding "just hold down" system. And believe me, soooo many people hadnt noticed it until scorpion been released. I was holding back down, as ANY other fighting game should be, and my friend, this system leads to 2 other problems
3- Everybody against scorpion simply automatictly stays ducked during the match to avoid/block his teleport, so scorpion can use his UNBLOCKABLE full screen trackable project or use his instant overhead J1 or use his abusively good J3
4- I still say that his "teleport is now high" was indeed a buff, because now we have less time to react to wiffing animation than the blocked animation

so, now we have a char that forces ALL chars to change drastically their gameplans, zoners cant zone, rushdown cant rushdown and any interactable is now useless, all chars tend to duck during most time of the game and get burned by an unblockable project. So, in my opinion, Yes, scorpion should be banned.

 

[BGMD]

You couldn't but feel sorry for that Green Arrow player in SEA majors grand finals, he played best that he could and still get 5-0'd. It was honestly painful to even watch.

- Don't you dare to load your fucking arrows against me, you poor green fool!
- But, but... I'm nothing without them, it's core element of my gameplay. Arrow is in my name, for god's sake!
- To hell with you!

 

[Kiko]

Honestly the fact that I have to hold down the ENTIRE MATCH against a character that technically doesn't even belong here (or in the DC universe), makes Scorpion a dumb ass decision by the devs.


I'm with getting rid of him. He literally makes a match boring as hell to watch with the constant teleporting. Scorpions other tools have got nothing on his teleport in this back to block game.


NOTHING.

 

[K7L33THA]

With so many conflicting opinions on Scorpion it's hard to separate fact from fiction. REO does play him broken as hell though.

Q: Is Scorpion's "dirt" any worse than Cyrax's in MK9?

Yes.

 

[NightwingDayZero]

I voted yes, as discussed he trivializes the mechanics of the game. He doesn't break matchups, he breaks the game. It's very obvious to see, when watching high level Scorpion, just how rediculous he makes the game look.

All that I can say has already been said. It's the vote that counts.

 

[MagicMan357]

If they were to nerf him, all they have to do is make the startup slower...thats it

 

[Vogue]

Making the startup slower would change his ability to combo and he already gets low damage (20-30 percent). He would have to be re-worked quite a bit I think.

 

[Kiko]

Making the startup slower would change his ability to combo and he already gets low damage (20-30 percent). He would have to be re-worked quite a bit I think.

No it wouldn't. It would just mean that he can't just brain dead teleport everywhere whenever someone whiffs an attack.

 

[MagicMan357]

Making the startup slower would change his ability to combo and he already gets low damage (20-30 percent). He would have to be re-worked quite a bit I think.

See thats the issue, if you do anything to him he is screwed. I personally dont think the issue is him, its the mechanics to deal with him that could that possibly need tweaks. AA's in this game are ass, if they buffed them (d2's atleast) to have priority then i dont think people would have such an issue. Also i hate the fact i cant hold DB to block, its retarded. Also the recovery in this game in general is way to damn slow especially with dashes.

 

[mistermoo]

See thats the issue, if you do anything to him he is screwed. I personally dont think the issue is him, its the mechanics to deal with him that could that possibly need tweaks. AA's in this game are ass, if they buffed them (d2's atleast) to have priority then i dont think people would have such an issue. Also i hate the fact i cant hold DB to block, its retarded. Also the recovery in this game in general is way to damn slow especially with dashes.

Possible solution: Teleport is now his trait. It has a single use, and if it misses he must wait x seconds for it to come off cooldown, but it instantly recharges if he hits with it, allowing for the combos that use multiple teleports. It's still meter burnable and has all the same properties of the current teleport but it's limited by a cooldown like other traits. Shroud of flames becomes a special.

Basically this means blocking or otherwise dodging a teleport rewards Scorpion's opponent with a temporary window where he can't oppress them with the move.

edit: And buff his normals if this proves too crippling to the character so his combos do a bit more damage.

 

[CamChattic]

I've already started banning him at my tournaments.