Question Should green arrow be higher tier list?

[RWDY Nori]

He could win with any character,

I strongly disagree. People do the same thing w/Justin Wong and Daigo, they immediately see them winning lots of tournaments and assume they have some ability to win w/any char or low tier, which is of course not even close to remotely true. You don't see top players using low tier or crap chars to win majors. Look at tournaments over the years and look at major FGs, it just doesn't happen. So clearly (and I know, FG communities always have tiers figured out after 2 months right?) he is better than people are giving him credit for. People can continue the whole "top players uses this char so he's just godlike" but it's ignorant. A top player will only play a char that gives them the best ability to win and GA has those tools. Talk to me when "godlike top player" wins a major w/Bane/Lex Luthor/Lobo/Joker/Harley

 

[Cossner]

I strongly disagree. People do the same thing w/Justin Wong and Daigo, they immediately see them winning lots of tournaments and assume they have some ability to win w/any char or low tier, which is of course not even close to remotely true. You don't see top players using low tier or crap chars to win majors. Look at tournaments over the years and look at major FGs, it just doesn't happen. So clearly (and I know, FG communities always have tiers figured out after 2 months right?) he is better than people are giving him credit for. People can continue the whole "top players uses this char so he's just godlike" but it's ignorant. A top player will only play a char that gives them the best ability to win and GA has those tools. Talk to me when "godlike top player" wins a major w/Bane/Lex Luthor/Lobo/Joker/Harley

That's why Chris G is now using BA.
Also, JW lost to Goldfish's Jade... using KL....

Spoiler

 

[RWDY Nori]

That's why Chris G is now using BA.
Also, JW lost to Goldfish's Jade... using KL....

I don't understand either of these sentences, the point you're trying to make? He has won majors w/GA, no matter what he does going forward, he's proven a char can win tournaments, which makes him viable in this game. And JW also won w/KL 2 majors very early in the game's lifespan, so he lost to a Jade player........what does this have to do w/what I said? I'm not trolling I'm genuinely confused as to the point you are trying to make

 

[Cossner]

I don't understand either of these sentences, the point you're trying to make? He has won majors w/GA, no matter what he does going forward, he's proven a char can win tournaments, which makes him viable in this game. And JW also won w/KL 2 majors very early in the game's lifespan, so he lost to a Jade player........what does this have to do w/what I said? I'm not trolling I'm genuinely confused as to the point you are trying to make

He's won majors of course..... the first month the game came out when nobody knows anything... bodying players who don't know the match ups....

Were you even here for the past 2 years? You look back at the first month MK came out and you lol hella. Hell, all 2011 gameplay looks scrubby nowdays (except for god of nerds Erik Warda).

Yes, JW won 2 majors with KL early in the game lifespan. KL early in the game lifespan was a broken mess. Again, nobody knew how to play the game. Didn't they complain about Mileena's hitbox and all that garbage?

Now you're going to tell me that Kano is tournament viable, because he made top 8 in majors early in MK life span #BrainSlug.

 

[ShadowBeatz]

Now you're going to tell me that Kano is tournament viable, because he made top 8 in majors early in MK life span #BrainSlug.

He also made Top 8 at Winter Brawl this past February. Boosted him right up there with Cyrax and Smoke IMO

 

[Cossner]

He also made Top 8 at Winter Brawl this past February. Boosted him right up there with Cyrax and Smoke IMO

BlackBryan is, indeed, sexy. He's also the blackest white man alive.

 

[RWDY Nori]

Cossner

-Tiers change over time. Right now, after 2 months, it's not logical to say he's even lower mid when he's won a major. That's my only point. I'm 29, I remember the arcades of MvC2 when Guile was top tier and Magento wasn't even a thought.

-Look at when I signed up

-KL was top tier early in the game and until he was nerfed to death, he was for a long time. Did we play a different MK9?

-Kano was great before all of the patches.


You do realize we are talking about right now right? Never did I say GA's tier placement was final. GA players are complaining left and right he's just mid and ChrisG is a magical demigod who wins w/him cause he's ChrisG.

 

[GodsLonelyman]

The thing with Green Arrow is, lack of matchup experience or familiarity will get you destroyed. He takes some time and experience to learn how to block, kinda like doomsday. Once you figure out how to block him and fuzzy guard his ice arrows setups, he really doesn't have much else and has to work overtime to get the win. I'd say he's a solid character but has some flaws/issues that prevent him from being on the same level as the top tier characters like Aquaman, Superman, Batman, Black Adam etc. I'd put him in the upper mid tier category. Probably one of the best if not the best in mid tier town.

 

[Cossner]

Cossner
-Tiers change over time. Right now, after 2 months, it's not logical to say he's even lower mid when he's won a major. That's my only point. I'm 29, I remember the arcades of MvC2 when Guile was top tier and Magento wasn't even a thought.

I play with Green Arrow. When I win I know I'm bullshitting people who don't know the Match Up (offline, in my scene, that plays at a pretty nice level). I can already see how he's gonna get blown up when people catch up.

-Look at when I signed up

Never seen you active. Hell you barely have any posts pre-injustice.

-KL was top tier early in the game and until he was nerfed to death, he was for a long time. Did we play a different MK9?

Nerf to death? He's still top 4.

-Kano was great before all of the patches.

He wasn't. People just didn't know how to punish up ball, and they didn't get MK9. I don't remember seeing a lot of the metagame you see nowdays in MK9. The level of these recent majors is MILES and MILES ahead of MK9 2011.

You do realize we are talking about right now right? Never did I say GA's tier placement was final. GA players are complaining left and right he's just mid and ChrisG is a magical demigod who wins w/him cause he's ChrisG.

Ask Chris G. He'll say he's mid tier.

 

[Vulcan Hades]

lol @ the guy talking like WoundCowboy, Jeremiah, PPJ, Sabin and everyone Chris G beat at UFGT9 are a bunch of random weaksauce players who don't know how to play.

Winning: 3
Even: 11
Loses: 12

Top 10?? he is strong mid tier, but if played well, against someone with no exp, you can make people look foolish with him.

I said top 10 but there's a lot of great characters in this game so it's hard to say. He's probably more upper mid-tier yeah..

However it's pretty silly to be like: "Oh yeah, Chris G won with GA and all but GA is still shit, Chris G is just super good."

lol no. When discussing tier lists you have to take into consideration all characters played at the highest possible level (aka how Chris G uses GA) not how RockstarSquirrel95 uses GA.

 

[RWDY Nori]

Cossner

-You don't base matchups and tiers off of your local competition
-I was a mod on TYM until IGAU came out and they narrowed the mods down. You're the first person to tell me I don't post a lot
-Kano was very good prepatch. How the game was back then, I don't see how you can say that. The game evolved over time, just like IGAU will. So a year from now you're going to say the guys winning majors wasn't high level play? High level play only comes down to who can adapt the best, it's really that simple
-ChrisG is one person's opinion. If REO wins a tourney w/Batman, he can say he's the best in the game doesn't mean he's automatically 100% correct. It's his opinion and that's cool.

 

[Cossner]

Cossner

-You don't base matchups and tiers off of your local competition

I base match ups based on high level offline match up experience. You probably base it in... I don't know, what ChrisG had for dinner?

-I was a mod on TYM until IGAU came out and they narrowed the mods down. You're the first person to tell me I don't post a lot

No wonder they narrowed the mods down.

-Kano was very good prepatch. How the game was back then, I don't see how you can say that. The game evolved over time, just like IGAU will. So a year from now you're going to say the guys winning majors wasn't high level play? High level play only comes down to who can adapt the best, it's really that simple

It's almost as if you weren't even paying attention for the past 2 years. Seriously.

-ChrisG is one person's opinion. If REO wins a tourney w/Batman, he can say he's the best in the game doesn't mean he's automatically 100% correct. It's his opinion and that's cool.

Pretty sure REO is the only guy allowed to say whatever he wants and be 100% correct. You know why? He doesn't base his opinion in what ChrisG pooped, but in actual, objective high level gameplay.

Do you even play Green Arrow?

 

[Fromundaman]

GA is far from bad, but he's not top either. I think he's a solid mid tier character who's seeing success because Chris G is a S+ tier player.

 

[RWDY Nori]

Cossner I can see you are so desperate you want to throw out personal insults and now you're going in 8 different directions w/Chris G's dinner plans and him pooping, conversation is getting too weird for me so I'm going to dip out. Continue to think whatever you would like, it's nothing short of sad you think any one person is always 100% right, but that's you.

 

[Roko1985]

So, because he has a guarranteed super after a blocked string he's top tier.

Makes sense.

It is not just that! Green Arrow can rape you in the corner with his vortex. His fire arrow are good full screen or half screen. His electric arrow are good in the corner. And about icy arrows.......well you know, combos , resets and all kind of dirty shit! The damage of his combos is not bad.25-30% with reloading arrow is very good actually. In the second life bar if they use the clash, you have a free super into reset set up that may win you the game. He is more then good. I will say top 8!

 

[MoldMan]

His super is aviodable by a timed foward jump

 

[Cossner]

Cossner I can see you are so desperate you want to throw out personal insults and now you're going in 8 different directions w/Chris G's dinner plans and him pooping, conversation is getting too weird for me so I'm going to dip out. Continue to think whatever you would like, it's nothing short of sad you think any one person is always 100% right, but that's you.

Hahaha I love how that's how you avoid the question.

It is not just that! Green Arrow can rape you in the corner with his vortex. His fire arrow are good full screen or half screen. His electric arrow are good in the corner. And about icy arrows.......well you know, combos , resets and all kind of dirty shit! The damage of his combos is not bad.25-30% with reloading arrow is very good actually. In the second life bar if they use the clash, you have a free super into reset set up that may win you the game. He is more then good. I will say top 8!

I play Green Arrow. He's mid tier.

 

[RWDY Nori]

I play Green Arrow. He's mid tier.

No, I don't play GA. I didn't know you have to play that char to have an opinion on them. I based it on my 10+ years of tournament experience which goes to nationals, which makes my opinion just as important as any high level tournament player. I'm pretty well known but I don't act like a prick for no reason, something you might want work on. If you play GA at a mid tier level, good for you, Chris G's results say otherwise

 

[Roko1985]

His super is aviodable by a timed foward jump

Do you mean after 111 on hit?

 

[THTB]

Doomsday 5-5 (this might be a winning match up for Arrow)

Not even, winning. I'm calling this now...if you have rushdown, you probably fare better vs DD than anyone else.

 

[xKhaoTik]

The ones saying GA is really good are over rating him. The ones saying he's gets blown up in Alot of matches are under rating him. He's good. Not up there with the best, but not down there with the worst.

 

[Roko1985]

Hahaha I love how that's how you avoid the question.


I play Green Arrow. He's mid tier.

If you are playing him mid tier, other people are playing him high tier!

 

[Cossner]

If you are playing him mid tier, other people are playing him high tier!

Are you that dumb? How does that even work? FT5, I'll baby the shit out of you. I wrote above, I body the shit out of people but I feel that, as soon as they learn the MU, which will happen down the line, he won't be nearly as effective.

No, I don't play GA. I didn't know you have to play that char to have an opinion on them. I based it on my 10+ years of tournament experience which goes to nationals, which makes my opinion just as important as any high level tournament player. I'm pretty well known but I don't act like a prick for no reason, something you might want work on. If you play GA at a mid tier level, good for you, Chris G's results say otherwise

Yes, you need to play the character, understand him and know his strengths and weaknesses to make match up assumptions.
"Tournament experience that goes to nationals", dude, I'm a top Mexican MK player and I've gone to international events, even placing nicely, so STFU. I've never heard of you placing high though, and I've been pretty involved in this scene for a while now. Will you even go to EVO? I want to MM you there, see if you're as top as you think you are.

 

[RWDY Nori]

Cossner Show me the part where I said I was a top MK player. I said 10+ years of FG experience. MK I wasn't a top player, I was in another game. And you are literally the only person who thinks you have to play the char to understand him. So if REO doesn't play Bane, he should never give an opinion on him right? Or is that another dickriding attempt to say everything he says is correct? Your argument has so many holes it's disturbing. You really need to work on your reading skills. And IGAU is a brand new game, don't automatically think you know everything, maybe check your ego a little bit

 

[Protagonist_1]

Didn't Chris G knock Dizzy to losers bracket in Metropolis using Green Arrow 2 rounds straight? I'd say he's a really strong player, I can't say much on tier list though.