My thoughts on new Balance Patch

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

I don't know how I feel about the Grundy nerf honestly


And all I got left to say is Hello Shazam and I feel bad for Christopher G

THey should let him start off with x1 everything....

I feel I should go M2dave on this one LOL

 

[RYX]

Good thread. I agree.

My opinions:

Catwoman - this is a load of bullfuck. She is Killer Frost with range now. f+2 and b+1 is a 50/50 mix up.

Deathstroke - see signature.

That signature is fucking golden,

 

[x0Kakashi]

Cat woman being killer frost tier lol..not quite there

Her game is still the same none the less. Her reward for getting in just became a lot more rewarding now.
To now have an additional string that's an overhead starter is big for her.

she shouldnt get a reward for pressing MB - bf2

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

So NRS didn't nerf Superman's breath like Dave's thread said they did?

 

[RYX]

she shouldnt get a reward for pressing MB - bf2

You mean that move you can punish?

 

[Zephyrus]

A free, safe, launching for 40% low at any point during any string doesn't sound useless to me.

We also haven't actually seen how much chip the nuclear MB will actually do, so lets wait and see it all in action before we say who's the worst.

Doesn't matter.

The character STILL can't get in on smart zoners.
The character STILL has no wake-up tools. He's free to jump ins.
The character still has shitty combo options. They hurt like crazy, but they're shitty. Slow b+2 that is HIGHLY reactable. 1 frame link into a dbf+2 that is hard to do and HAS to be meter burned to do some damage.

It pissed me off how Paulo said yesterday on ECT stream that Lobo doesn't need buffs because he has an infinite with his face dive.

His trait is still the worst trait in the game. It should be as fast as green arrow's and like green arrow's it should be allowed to immediatly prepare it after any move. That for it to be useful in a match against players that don't go "durr".

These are the types of dlc characters we're getting?

They get their 5 min fame and then get dropped by everyone. Why play Lobo when you can play Batman? Or Aquaman? Or any other character in the roster?

 

[xWEBSx]

Please do because I would love to hear how you can't get full damage when blocked...

I didn't even know that string existed on block- that's how minimal the damage on block was (regardless- that was a fix, not a nerf)

Her 2,D3 was one of, if not the best frame trap she had while close.. And a character who has issues as a hybrid on Rushdown (sub-par overhead, no real high/low mix up) take away a solid (not even close to broken/OP) option... Coupled with an already broken (in the bad way) trait (that sees no attention) and to boot- she is mid tier. Why NRS decided to touch her, and arrow with Nerfs beyond me.. Not asking for OP buffs.. Fix her trait and leave her the hell alone.

 

[x0Kakashi]

You mean that move you can punish?

if you randomly catdash you deserve to get punished

 

[Lex Luthor II]

looks like Deathstroke and Aquaman got hit the hardest in this patch, nay?

General Fixes

• A player no longer receives a loss when an opponent quits an online match.
• Fixed an issue where online Hero Cards were not visible if a user had > 30 friends.
• Various Online fixes to enhance stability.
• A player can now perform a 2in1 combo into background bounces and interactables using Light+Medium buttons on arcade sticks.
  • This makes the game fully playable on 5 button arcade sticks.
• A player can no longer block or escape a throw in the middle of performing a stance switch.
• The Fortress of Solitude (Upper Level-Left) Space Ship damage was normalized for all characters.
• Fixed an issue that affected some characters when performing a combo on weapon-wielding defenders that were holding grenades in the Batcave.
• Fixed various issues where Interactive Objects could obscure the players’ view after being used.
• Fixed a rare issue where players could sometimes interact with invisible Interactive Objects.

Character Balance Improvements

Aquaman

• Water of Life Character Power now lasts 2 seconds (down from 2.5) and has an 8 second cool down (increased from 7 seconds)
• Increased the ability to punish a Trident Scoop (Down, Back, 1) from Aquaman when the defender blocks.
• Normalized the amount of damage Aquaman inflicts on an opponent while they are blocking his Trident Rush (Down, Forward + 1)

Ares

• Increased viability of Ares’ Teleport when used as a wake up attack.
• Opponent’s can now perform a tech roll after being knocked down by Ares’ Invading Force (Back+2, 3) combo.

Bane

• Normalized Bane’s backwards throw damage.
• Slightly increased speed of Bane’s forward dash.
• Reduced the cooldown on Level 2 Venom Boost to 4.5 seconds (down from 6)
• Reduced the cooldown on Level 3 Venom Boost to 6 seconds (down from 9)

Catwoman

• Catwoman’s Calico Cut (Forward + 1) attack now hits the opponent Overhead and will hit all opponent hitboxes while they are crouching.

Cyborg

• Cyborg’s In-Air Projectiles are now a HIGH block instead of a MID.

Deathstroke

• Deathstroke now stuns the defender for less time when the defender blocks his gunshots.
• Deathstroke now deals slightly less damage when the defender blocks his gunshots.
• Deathstroke now lands slightly slower after performing in-air gunshots.

Doomsday

• Doomsday’s Hunter (1,1,2) combo no longer inflicts full damage while the opponent is blocking.

Green Arrow

• Reduced the amount of block advantage on Green Arrow’s Light It Up (Back+2, 3) combo

Grundy

• A player can now activate a Clash (as a defender) during the 2nd and 3rd hit of Solomon Grundy’s Chain Grabs.

Harley Quinn

• Harley’s Irresistible combo (1 + Away, 2) no longer inflicts full damage while the opponent is blocking.
• Harley’s Hi Puddin combo(2, Down+3) now has less advantage while the opponent is blocking.

Joker

• Increased Joker’s Wild Character Power HA! duration to 9 seconds (from 6 seconds).
• Increased Joker’s Wild Character Power Parry Damage to 11%
• Slightly reduced the start-up frames for Laughing Gas (Down, Forward + 1) and Rolling Laughing Gas (Down, Forward + 2) to allow it to combo consistently on all opponents.

Lobo

• Reduced Lobo’s recovery time while loading his Nuclear Shells Character Power to 49 frames (down from 57).
• Removed the ability for an opponent to initiate a Clash while being hit by Lobo’s Meter Burn Pump Shots (Down, Forward + 1).
• Removed the ability for an opponent to initiate a Clash while being hit by Lobo’s Pump Shots (Down, Forward + 1) while his shotgun is loaded with Nuclear Shells.
• Increased the amount of damage an opponent will receive when blocking Lobo’s Pump Shots (Down, Forward + 1) while his shotgun is loaded with Nuclear Shells.

Raven

• Raven’s Raven Slash (Down+3) attack now has normalized damage.
• Increased viability of Raven’s Teleport when used as a wake up attack.

Shazam

• Increased viability of Shazam’s Teleport when used as a wake up attack.
• Shazam’s Herculean Might (Down, Back, Forward + 1) on miss is now -17 (down from -27)
• Shazam’s Achilles’ Clutch (Down, Back + 1) on miss is now -21 (down from -35)
• Shazam’s Solomon’s Judgment Character Power now activates faster
• Normalized reaction time for Shazam after escaping an opponent’s throw attempt.

Sinestro

• Normalized Sinestro’s Backwards Throw Damage
• Arachnid Sting (Down, Forward 2) is now has a block advantage of -12 (down from -36) and is a Mid attack (changed from High).
• Beware Your Fears Character Power activation time decreased to 1.66 seconds (down from 2 seconds).

Superman

• Normalized the amount of damage scaling on Superman’s combos.
• Normalized Superman’s damage scaling while using his Steel Rush (Forward+2, Down+1) combo.

Wonder Woman

• Wonder Woman’s Knee Chop (Down+1) attack now inflicts normalized damage during hit and while an opponent is blocking.

 

[RYX]

if you randomly catdash you deserve to get punished

You can punish it regardless of the situation. Random or not it's punishable on reaction if you block it. I don't know where you got this 'she gets rewarded' from it.

 

[x0Kakashi]

You can punish it regardless of the situation. Random or not it's punishable on reaction if you block it. I don't know where you got this 'she gets rewarded' from it.

Someone said she should be rewarded for getting in, but all it takes is 1 read and shes in thats what i was referring to

 

[UsedForGlue]

Please don't post stuff like this cause you're wrong

There's a 20 frame full combo window between arachnid and it's MB so if u can't punish it u have one too many chromosomes

Sinestro will have trait more often than not.

Now its a simple timing case of wake up mb arachnid and use the trait to cover the gap.

Sent full screen with an unblockable 10%.

I don't care because sinestro is my secondary.

 

[xKhaoTik]

Some of these nerfs are really irrelevant.

"Superman has regular damage scaling and breath -1 on block. Deathstroke does less chip. Aquaman trait has 1 second more cooldown and last 2 less seconds". Those nerfs done mean shit Lol. They are still the same characters.


My things is, why were characters like Grundy and Harley nerfed, WHILE BLACK ADAM WAS UNTOUCHED?!

 

[REO]

Catwoman is frost tier ? Lol No

Sinestro buffed? Try "fixed"

You play batman.....deal w it if we want our characters equal to yours

Superman I agree is stll top as well as black Adam

And for the death strokes crying? Deal w it! I'm sorry you guys have to play footsies now and use such shitty rush down tools such as a safe sword spin, 7 frame launcher, safe low launcher, and 2nd best f3 in game. Yep sorry about that guys, Deathstroke funeral should be planned immediately. Funny how the best death strokes I play aren't bitching and the ones I've blown up are

I play Lobo.

I use over 10+ characters in tourney because instead of going to tourneys and crying every match, I have the common sense to use other characters knowing it's always an available choice.

You on the other hand are the biggest crybaby in the community. I'm glad Sinestro is high tier now because when you lose in a tournament, I won't have to hear your "i lost because my char sucks wahhh" constant excuse. And you better hope you never get blown up by a Catwoman player. Please go ahead and sleep on her.

 

[M2Dave]

Cat woman being killer frost tier lol..not quite there.

You are right. Catwoman is not quite there. She is above is above Killer Frost's tier.

What is Killer Frost's weakness? AA control and range (outside of slide). Catwoman, on the other hand, has both. She has a lot more range thanks to f+1 and MB Cat Dash that is safe on block when spaced correctly. She controls the air very well with jumping 2, which is also very difficult to AA. She gets free jumps all day on most characters.

Up close she has a safe 50/50 mix up with f+1 (new overhead) and b+1 (low attack). Each option leads to close to 40% with no meter and results in an untechable knockdown.

Good luck fighting a high level Catwoman player.

 

[TakeAChance]

I play Lobo.

I use over 10+ characters in tourney because instead of going to tourneys and crying every match, I have the common sense to use other characters knowing it's always an available choice.

You on the other hand are the biggest crybaby in the community. I'm glad Sinestro is high tier now because when you lose in a tournament, I won't have to hear your "i lost because my char sucks wahhh" constant excuse. And you better hope you never get blown up by a Catwoman player. Please go ahead and sleep on her.

Shots Nuclear Trait'd and FIRED.

 

[JHCRANE 14]

I just wish Sinestro's trait really did charge 35% faster. It's more like 20% faster.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I play Lobo.

I use over 10+ characters in tourney because instead of going to tourneys and crying every match, I have the common sense to use other characters knowing it's always an available choice.

You on the other hand are the biggest crybaby in the community. I'm glad Sinestro is high tier now because when you lose in a tournament, I won't have to hear your "i lost because my char sucks wahhh" constant excuse. And you better hope you never get blown up by a Catwoman player. Please go ahead and sleep on her.

If im the biggest crybaby you're right there with me with your emo Lobo posts and threads so Deal with it

 

[Zephyrus]

I play Lobo.

I use over 10+ characters in tourney because instead of going to tourneys and crying every match, I have the common sense to use other characters knowing it's always an available choice.

You on the other hand are the biggest crybaby in the community. I'm glad Sinestro is high tier now because when you lose in a tournament, I won't have to hear your "i lost because my char sucks wahhh" constant excuse. And you better hope you never get blown up by a Catwoman player. Please go ahead and sleep on her.

Just message Paulo and Hector about what you feel Lobo needs to be tournament viable.

They won't listen to me, since I'm a nobody. Maybe they'll listen to you.

Seriously, having to wait for the next patch to see good Lobo buffs...

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Shots Nuclear Trait'd and FIRED.

Punishes on reaction cause he was too slow to realize he does the same shit i do about sinestro that he does w his character

 

[D_Matt_Ma]

SOMEONE PLEASE RESPOND TO MY POST! PLEASE!!!

Are these patch notes complete? I don't think they are. So we may be getting ahead of ourselves by complaining about these changes if there is more to come tomorrow.

 

[Zephyrus]

If im the biggest crybaby you're right there with me with your emo Lobo posts and threads so Deal with it

dude... have some shame.

Are you really comparing Lobo to Sinestro?

You're comparing the worst character in the game to one who wasn't that bad?

ugh...

 

[TectonicSuperPlates]

About time we can clash during Grundy's trait grab.

 

[CrazySlasher]

What other moves in the game besides Grundy's grab is not clashable?

 

[MagicMan357]

Just message Paulo and Hector about what you feel Lobo needs to be tournament viable.

They won't listen to me, since I'm a nobody. Maybe they'll listen to you.

Seriously, having to wait for the next patch to see good Lobo buffs...

What buffs do you want