Lack of a Spectator Mode...?

[trufenix]

I think you misunderstand -- it's not a huge change that needs to be made. It doesn't affect performance at all. The actual stream does the work of distributing the game footage to hundreds or thousands of viewers; all the game needs to do is allow someone in KotH to spectate the matches without being queued up to play. It's an entire separate issue from network performance and really has nothing to do with the other things you mentioned.

No, i understand the request. I think you guys are misinterpreting the ramifications. For Johnny streamer who's got a bunch of real players in a dedicated room with solid connections and hunger for real matches, it makes tremendous sense to have one guy dedicated to watching so that all of youtube can join the party.

The problem is, for everyone one of those, there will be a hundred random rooms full of random players with random connections that get blown up some wifi only nobody who wants to go into spectator mode while he spanks it to the torrents that just finished downloading.

For a game like Tag 2 even SF4, that have tremendous connectivity under the worst conditions, this is a brilliant concept, but Injustice's netcode is just not good enough to warrant the extra stress of a single (or multiple) dedicated spectators. Not if we're going to have to play bullet hell against Deathstroke, GL and Superman every other match.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

The problem is, for everyone one of those, there will be a hundred random rooms full of random players with random connections that get blown up some wifi only nobody who wants to go into spectator mode while he spanks it to the torrents that just finished downloading.

What? Someone spectating doesn't affect the network for the rest of the players at all -- there is no 'stress' on the other players, because you aren't playing them. I think you are confused about how networking works.

 

[trufenix]

What? Someone spectating doesn't affect the network for the rest of the players at all -- there is no 'stress' on the other players, because you aren't playing them.

In what multiverse does this apply? Everytime someone joins a KOTH room we all get a jolt of performance adjustment.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

In what multiverse does this apply? Everytime someone joins a KOTH room we all get a jolt of performance adjustment.

When someone joins, the room adjusts to broadcast the match to them. However, what they are doing with their connection, whether they are streaming or just sitting there and watching, or waiting to play, has absolutely no effect on the match being broadcasted to them or the gameplay taking place. And in a tournament situation where there are only 3 people in the KotH, it's as close to optimal as you can get in that game mode.

So again to clarify; what you are doing with your own bandwidth has absolutely 0 effect until you actually play a match vs. someone.

 

[GamerBlake90]

Ya know, when using King of the Hill matches to stream official online tournament matches, it only takes like what - three people to be in the same room? I highly doubt it would take too much of a toll on our connections that it becomes unplayable.

I'm still not understanding what the concern is.

 

[trufenix]

When someone joins, the room adjusts to broadcast the match to them. However, what they are doing with their connection, whether they are streaming or just sitting there and watching, has absolutely no effect and the match being broadcasted to them or the gameplay taking place. And in a tournament situation where there are only 3 people in the KotH, it's as close to optimal as you can get in that game mode.

Dude, I'm not talking about a 3 man room with a bunch of stellar connections. I'm talking about an 8 man room full of random assholes. I don't know if maybe you haven't spent a lot of time in the wasteland of random online play, but people in KOTH rooms can affect performance for the current players.

Edit: This is not about tournament play. I am not talking about tournament play. I am confident your tournaments would be marvelous with this utility. What I'm talking about is the rest of play. All the OTHER KOTH rooms in the universe that would be at risk of shitty spectator onlies ruining the performance.

 

[Ninj]

I think it depends on how the network would talk to spectators.

But I don't have a degree in IT nor am ia network or systems administrator... so it's tough to speak definitively on the subject. NRS would be best equipped to answer.

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[CrimsonShadow]

Dude, I'm not talking about a 3 man room with a bunch of stellar connections. I'm talking about an 8 man room full of random assholes. I don't know if maybe you haven't spent a lot of time in the wasteland of random online play, but people in KOTH rooms can affect performance for the current players.

There's absolutely no difference in an 8 man room between having 8 players or 7 players and 1 spectator. Or 6 players and 2 spectators.

If you don't want the room to grow that large, all you have to do is create a smaller KotH. But playing vs. spectating makes absolutely 0 difference.

Ninj it's no different than it is now; the only thing it affects is not being queued up to play.

 

[GamerBlake90]

Edit: This is not about tournament play. I am not talking about tournament play. I am confident your tournaments would be marvelous with this utility. What I'm talking about is the rest of play. All the OTHER KOTH rooms in the universe that would be at risk of shitty spectator onlies ruining the performance.

Regardless, online tournament play was my main reason for opening this thread. And as for the concern about lobbies accommodating players and spectators at the same time as far as casual sessions go, I have to agree with Crimson when I say that I would feel no difference. The 8-man limit would still stand and I have played in KOTH rooms with the maximum amount of occupants, with little to no issues at all. Again, this are merely my experiences, I am not speaking for the community as a whole.

 

[trufenix]

I have neither the words, will, or animated gifs to explain it further.

You win.

 

[Rathalos]

It's crazy there is no option to skip your turn.

Must have been some kind of technical limitation, I can't believe they would just forget about it, especially after all the trouble people like you went through with MK9's KoTH.

 

[THTB]

trufenix IGAU doesn't handle KOTH in the same way MK9 did. It's more akin to most other fighting games, where spectator mode doesn't bear any sort of impact on the connection between two people who are playing.

Having several people with different connections to me play in a KOTH with me, I'm not just making this up. My connection to the Condiment Bros is terrible, whereas my connection to I2 Gaug3 isn't nearly as bad, and the connection to each of them 100% reflected that instead of fluctuating depending on who was in the room. All three of them could vouch for me on that as well.

Spectator Mode option should exist for sure. This is the only fighting game of recent times where you can't opt to just watch live in a lobby, and that just sucks, especially when streaming is such a big deal.

 

[GamerBlake90]

It's crazy there is no option to skip your turn.

Must have been some kind of technical limitation, I can't believe they would just forget about it, especially after all the trouble people like you went through with MK9's KoTH.

trufenix IGAU doesn't handle KOTH in the same way MK9 did. It's more akin to most other fighting games, where spectator mode doesn't bear any sort of impact on the connection between two people who are playing.

Having several people with different connections to me play in a KOTH with me, I'm not just making this up. My connection to the Condiment Bros is terrible, whereas my connection to I2 Gaug3 isn't nearly as bad, and the connection to each of them 100% reflected that instead of fluctuating depending on who was in the room. All three of them could vouch for me on that as well.

Spectator Mode option should exist for sure. This is the only fighting game of recent times where you can't opt to just watch live in a lobby, and that just sucks, especially when streaming is such a big deal.

I can't exactly imagine NRS not having watched any of the MK9 online tournaments at all. They had to have taken notice, they must have seen us leaving the gatherings and rejoining after each match so the tournament would not be held up. I even have YouTube footage of this from Pig's Kenshi Exhibition. If they seriously did not consider a spectator mode after seeing that, I will be appalled.