Ares can teleport on a read for all lasers.....
he can d1 the f2,3~breathe loop (tight but its possible).
I feel like both of those statement are really downplaying the difficulty of this for Ares.
First off, a teleport is 39 frames long, so on a ground laser a teleport doesn't necesarilly mean a punish even if it's a really good read. Also, technically you should be able to blow up a heat zap, even on reaction, but it seems like that move has some kind of auto correct where depending on when you teleported he'll just turn around and zap you in the face
And second, having to play entirely based on reads sucks.
The read on a ground laser is fairly difficult and the air laser is easier to makes reads on, but it's also easy as hell to bait. All he has to do is jump and not laser and you're eating a full combo punish. It's basically a 50/50 unless the Superman is super predictable and if he baits it he gets a full combo starting with and jump attack while if you make the right read you're getting a crappy air juggle because Supes recovers the second his feet touch the ground(I could be wrong about this now that I think about it - I haven't specifically tested it, but experience tells me that you get blown up if you try to time it as he's on the ground. So the risk reward isn't even in your favor.
As far as his d1, I'm not convinced about that one either. I'm open to the fact that it's just hard and my execution is bad, but I don't think it's been established that's it's something that's possible or reasonable to do consistently and tbh I'm not even convinced that landing it relies on Ares timing as opposed to it just being Supes making a mistake. I keep trying to use it in matches, but I'd really like to see someone show me that it can be used effectively or at least give a really solid explanation of how/when it has to be timed to not whiff because I'm almost certain that it's not just a matter of doing d1 on the first frame out of block stun and you get blown up if you do it wrong.
And still, the very best case scenario is that you're doing something that Superman can read and blow you up for. So d1'ing out is a high execution read that nets you 30% vs whatever Superman's highest combo off of f23 is, and he can accidentally do it by not timing his f23 right. Better than a block infinite, but it sucks.
Apologies to all non-Ares players about turning this thread into an Ares match up discussion. I know Superman is hard for you guys too. Let's all vent and brainstorm together
