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eh its not about respect. it is well known kane refused to be a world champion because he believes he can help the younger guys
And for that reason i believe he needs something to thank him for that in some respect - and beating Takers streak will go down in history. In terms of storylines it would be perfect - what way to end Takers career than to face his family !!! Story writes intself !!!
 

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And for that reason i believe he needs something to thank him for that in some respect - and beating Takers streak will go down in history. In terms of storylines it would be perfect - what way to end Takers career than to face his family !!! Story writes intself !!!
i would say yes to that but in the end kane vs taker is getting old imo

alot of people including myself wouldve loved to see the rock vs orton ( 2 third generation stars) but the only way that couldve worked was in 2004-2005 when he was doing the whole legend killer gimmick and to do it now would be a waste imo.


also it was supposed to be punk vs austin this year at mania but austin had another knee surgery and again as much as i love austin i think he should stay retired because lets face it he dosent have the best track record in regards to 100% clear injuries ( neck, knees ect)
 
The problem is WWE will look for the option that will generate the most money, not the most interest - Reason Cena is so big now and the reason he is still a face is because the merchandise he sells to the kids!!! I didnt realise how much until i went to an event recently. I know deep down it will prob be Cena who ends the streak, as i really don't see WWE allowing the streak to stay unbeaten. What annoys me though is there are so many more deserving wrestlers who could do so much more with the streak ender title!!! If anything - Taker will have a big saying on who takes it!!
 

Tim Static

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A lot of people probably wouldn't like what I have to say here, hehe.
I thought the same way with how I feel about the Attitude Era, and the years after it & until now. But bring it, brother. No one else posting here is an actual wrestler like yourself, so your point of view is extra important to me. :)
 

Shock

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I thought the same way with how I feel about the Attitude Era, and the years after it & until now. But bring it, brother. No one else posting here is an actual wrestler like yourself, so your point of view is extra important to me. :)
I think there's one other guy on TYM who does indy stuff
 

RWDY Nori

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A lot of people probably wouldn't like what I have to say here, hehe.
This is so far the only thread w/out flames in it so far. I'm always open to other peoples opinions in wrestling. Unless it starts off w/how great Cena is as WWE champion or how Brodus Clay is entertaining
 

Tim Static

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haha nice. What weight class? I did 135
Heavy lol. I can't remember what weight put you at heavy, but i was there.

And yes, I went 1-0 before a goddamn ingrown toenail cut my season short (i signed up mid way through the season). I then retired from the sport forever, preserving my undefeated record forever.
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
Heavy lol. I can't remember what weight put you at heavy, but i was there.

And yes, I went 1-0 before a goddamn ingrown toenail cut my season short (i signed up mid way through the season). I then retired from the sport forever, preserving my undefeated record forever.
I think the 200s were considered heavy I guess. I almost went state but I was practicing w/a 110lb wrestler (my coach was retarded) and he did a low level single on my left leg. My knee popped cause I didn't turn my leg fast enough on the inside. I helped train my cousin and never had to have surgery but still have a piece of bone in my leg since 2001
 

tazzmission

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wow i hate to say it but batista looks great now and tweeted this for his role as drax in guardians of the galaxy

seems like he toned down

 

Shock

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As a wrestler, I know why Cena is good for the business, and I know why Brodus Clay does what he does, and there might be some smarks here who also think they know, but they don't.

For the record, my greatest influences are:
The Undertaker and Shawn Michaels

I was trained by Iron Mike Sharpe.

I'll get in deep with some recent conversation maybe tonight.
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
As a wrestler, I know why Cena is good for the business, and I know why Brodus Clay does what he does, and there might be some smarks here who also think they know, but they don't.
For the record, my greatest influences are:
The Undertaker and Shawn Michaels

I was trained by Iron Mike Sharpe.

I'll get in deep with some recent conversation maybe tonight.
I'm pretty sure it's to make WWE money cause it's the PG Era. I'm curious if you think it's something else
 

MKB

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I get why Cena is booked the way he has been booked for the past 8 years and I get why he hasn't turned heel (kiddie superhero, Make-A-Wish, the bad publicity it would cause, having nobody to replace him as a megastar babyface.) Doesn't change the fact that he is stale as hell. I wouldn't mind Cena so much if he evolved his character. Even the Undertaker evolved his character several times over the course of his storied career.

This is so far the only thread w/out flames in it so far. I'm always open to other peoples opinions in wrestling. Unless it starts off w/how great Cena is as WWE champion or how Brodus Clay is entertaining
You've got a lead mod, the king mod, and an admin involved in this thread. It's going to stay civil in here :)
 

AkTiVe

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I get why Cena is booked the way he has been booked for the past 8 years and I get why he hasn't turned heel (kiddie superhero, Make-A-Wish, the bad publicity it would cause, having nobody to replace him as a megastar babyface.) Doesn't change the fact that he is stale as hell. I wouldn't mind Cena so much if he evolved his character. Even the Undertaker evolved his character several times over the course of his storied career.
you know your stuff :)
Orton & Sheamus were thought to be the Next Big Superstar but they have failed. I cant stand them. Punk wont be around for so long. They need a Mega Star ASAP but the way they are developing stars I doubt it will happen soon. Bryan is getting buried being in Team Hell No, Cesaro and Barrett jobbing now. Ryback is ass, don't know what Vince sees in him. Dean Ambrose is my choice. WWE take a chance on the guy, He may not be a ''Big'' sized guy but he is Money $$$$ . Rant Over!
 

KDZ

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EGP Tyrant...

and...yeah that's it for now I think. I have matches up from a week 1 tourny, but I'm not a pro.

Btw, I wanted to save this announcement for after this weekend's event (it's a Road to Evo tourny in Toronto and Chris G is coming) but I'm so excited and I can't wait much longer. While in the lab grinding for the tournament, I discovered 2-3 new things that will fundamentally change how Superman is played in the corner and midscreen. I'm of the opinion that his 50/50s being subpar (slow, punishable) is negligible in light of these discoveries. One of these was brought on because of a post knoterror made a week ago, so thanks for the motivation, and we'll talk so we can make a thread about it. I feel like the universe conspired in my favour so that I found these things right before a major Injustice tournament. On Sunday night / Monday expect a new thread with detailed Oki setups, tricky 90% resets (no interactables), and the dirtiest corner mix-ups ughhh. In the meantime, I'll share a bit of what I found.

Trying to land hits with Superman in the corner is VERY important, moreso than most I'd argue. My general strategy is to save the tricky mix-ups for corner pressure, so that once I get them there I take 60% in one shot with a mix-up they haven't seen. Midscreen I play safe and predictable, focusing on whiff punishing and match-up exploitation / punishes. Now though, the people I play have started blocking my mix-ups more consistently. When I carry them to the corner I don't get a hit as often. Here are some tricks that have helped me open up players in my community who REALLY know how to block (marvel players):

- j.2 or 3 xx j.D3. This functions as a fairly quick double overhead, and is completely counter-intuitive to the typical "block high for jump-in, block low" pattern that is so many do habitually. The dive is unsafe, but I only ever go for this on their first life bar, or if they have no clash. You get 73% 1 trait + meter if you pull this out at the right time.

- F23 xx Breath x1 or 2, visually confirm stand block, take a risk with F2D1. People get so caught up with this "block trap" that they mash backdash or stand block more than one rep of it. If you catch them in the corner with F2D1, you get the exact same combos normally provided by landing 223. You know what that means? F2D1, 3~Trait, 3~[MB] Breath, Heat Zap to 60+%. Meterless with trait you're still getting roughly 40%. Godlike, but not to be overused.

- D1, pause, throw. I use this a ton near the corner. Once I have conditioned them to expect it, I jump back, wait for their grab attempt and dive. Full combo if they grab attempt, if not I'll airdash on top of them and go for more pressure. Not foolproof, but good to sprinkle in every now and then if you set it up properly.

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Set Up / Oki related

As we already know, F2D13, B23 and D3 cause untechable knockdowns. knoterror made a thread showing us a few uses for F2D13, so I jumped on and tried to add more to his theories. There is alot of information I have to type, and sadly I can't do it all now, but I will get to it and I will make accompanying videos.

- No more ending combos with D3. If you end BnBs with 22 xx scoop, D3, you always position yourself point blank. There aren't too many things you can do from that close that are difficult to block. This completely changes if you do, for example: combo of choice -> 22 xx scoop, B23 or F2D13 (as knoterror showed us). F2D13 gives you the most frame advantage, and is thus the better choice. Both allow you to do different setups, so it bears keeping in mind that they have their respective uses. Oh, - and both of these do more damage than D3.

E.g.:
Post F2D13 Midscreen Knockdown

Safe mix-ups;
- dash forward meaty F3 (+ on block so if they block it free pressure anyways)
- dash forward meaty B1 (guess with B1 xx MB Breath, safe combo starter attempt)

Tricky shit;
- buffer forward jump, delay air dash so it comes during descent of jump arc, cross-up j.2

Gimmicks / Unsafe trickery;
- dash forward 223_22~scoop 50/50
- dash forward F3 charge, dash cancel throw (keep them on their toes)
- dash forward F3 charge, dash cancel D1 xx MB Breath (catches them if they try to break / flinch)

The rest I'll post about after the weekend.


The last but most AMAZING thing I found. During any corner combo that involves F2D1, so say:

223, 3~Trait, F2D1x3, 3~scoop, 3 Breath (53%). During the 3rd rep of F2D1, do F2D13 instead. If you dash IMMEDIATELY you cross up their body AND it's an untechable knockdown. What have I been doing? Dash under into [MB] F3 from the other side, dash under B1 for a low, dash under airdash mix-ups, dash under throw. There is so much shit just waiting to be done.

Have a fantastic weekend everyone! Lab up guys, there is so much more tech on the way come Monday.

I really appreciate this.

But you're saying things like "You get 73% 1 trait + meter" when you hit a J.D3 in the corner. Can you tell me what that combo is? I can't for the life of me figure out how to get that much.
 

Joshkazkab

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Air to air J3, 3, trait, 3 mb breath, Heat zap, 3, swoop, 3, Breath

Starting with ground smash the combo will be the same.
 
Pretty sure Ryback was put there as an attempt to fill a Batista/Goldberg role - but he is so unlikeable. It seems the WWE are unprepared to take a risk......which in reality is what they really need to do. They are depending to much on part timers coming back to draw crowds and pay per view subscriptions etc!!!
 

tazzmission

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I get why Cena is booked the way he has been booked for the past 8 years and I get why he hasn't turned heel (kiddie superhero, Make-A-Wish, the bad publicity it would cause, having nobody to replace him as a megastar babyface.) Doesn't change the fact that he is stale as hell. I wouldn't mind Cena so much if he evolved his character. Even the Undertaker evolved his character several times over the course of his storied career.



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think back to when cena first debuted. people loved him as the vannila ice wannabe of the wwe. i was just watching old videos of that and holy shit dude the pops he got were crazy. now its boos from the same audiance wich are male teens and male adults

its not cenas wrestling ability i dont like its his current gimmick i dislike and tbemh it reminds me alot like the hhh reighn wich i myself bitched about ( even though i love hhh)
 
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