The Pacquiao Marquez Fight

[CrimsonShadow]

I'm watching UFC, and then I'm going to turn this on.. Who else is watching? And who do you think is going to win? What did you think about the last fight?

Personally, I thought it was controversial, but I'm glad they've setup a runback.

Eitherway, it'll be fireworks. Any other 'real-fighting' fans here?

 

[Espio]

Rampage254

 

[Rampage254]

I'm going for Marquez, but I see Pacquiao winning. I missed all the UFC fights tonight.

 

[OutworldKeith]

Pacquiao only took this fight to avoid a rematch with Timothy Bradley. Marquez should get the nod like he should've in the 3rd fight.

 

[CRUM]

Let's hope for the sake of Pacquiao/Mayweather that Pacquiao wins lol

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Pacquiao only took this fight to avoid a rematch with Timothy Bradley. Marquez should get the nod like he should've in the 3rd fight.

Pac beat the brakes off of Bradley.. That was one of the biggest robberies I have ever seen

 

[OutworldKeith]

Pac beat the brakes off of Bradley.. That was one of the biggest robberies I have ever seen

Which telecast did you watch?

I had the fight 115-113 for Bradley 7 rounds to 5. Manny was on autopilot for the first 2 minutes of at least 5 rounds of that fight. He tried to throw flurries the last minute of those rounds. However judges are supposed to score the entire round not just the last minute.

Bradley showed great defense, he landed the cleaner punches, and he won more rounds.

Anybody who honestly thinks that was a robbery doesn't know how to score a fight. Marquez/Pacquiao 3 was a prime example of a robbery. Marquez won at least 7 clear rounds, and that's more than half the fight.

 

[Illmatix]

pac-man must win.... to bad im sick and cant go to the bar with my lady

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Which telecast did you watch?

I had the fight 115-113 for Bradley 7 rounds to 5.

You had Bradley winning 7 rounds? With what?

Pacquiao controlled the entire fight and Bradley hardly scratched him. The compubox wasn't even close.. Not that there isn't a margin of error, but they didn't have a single round in favor of Bradley.

Fight wasn't even close.

One of the most controversial decisions in recent sports history.
http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-bradley-w-12-pacquaio/

 

[OutworldKeith]

You had Bradley winning 7 rounds? With what?

Pacquiao controlled the entire fight and Bradley hardly scratched him. The compubox wasn't even close.. Not that there isn't a margin of error, but they didn't have a single round in favor of Bradley.

Fight wasn't even close.

One of the most controversial decisions in recent sports history.
http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-bradley-w-12-pacquaio/

I guessing you watched the fight on HBO lol.

Btw, HBO sucks in terms of commentary. If you watched their telecast you'd think Bradley didn't land any punches.

Judges don't get to see compubox, so that's irrelevant.

Bradley clearly won rounds 1, 6, 7, 10, 11, and 12. That's half the fight bro. Rounds 2, 3, and 8 Manny clearly won. Which leaves rounds 4, 5, and 9 that could have went either way.

The big question is why didn't Manny want to rematch him if he was "robbed"? When Roy Jones suffered a controversial loss to Montell Griffen, he re-matched him and kicked his ass. When Floyd Mayweather won a controversial decision over Jose Luis Castillo he re-matched him and kicked his ass. What makes Manny exempt from proving he is THAT much better than Bradley?

The most ironic part about this entire ordeal is that Manny only took the Bradley fight to avoid a rematch with Marquez. Now he's rematching Marquez to avoid Bradley lol.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Judges don't get to see compubox, so that's irrelevant.

Bradley clearly won rounds 1, 6, 7, 10, 11, and 12. That's half the fight bro. Rounds 2, 3, and 8 Manny clearly won. Which leaves rounds 4, 5, and 9 that could have went either way.

The big question is why didn't Manny want to rematch him if he was "robbed"? When Roy Jones suffered a controversial loss to Montell Griffen, he re-matched him and kicked his ass. When Floyd Mayweather won a controversial decision over Jose Luis Castillo he re-matched him and kicked his ass. What makes Manny exempt from proving he is THAT much better than Bradley?

The most ironic part about this entire ordeal is that Manny only took the Bradley fight to avoid a rematch with Marquez. Now he's rematching Marquez to avoid Bradley lol.

Compubox isn't relevant for judges to see.. It's relevant because they keep track of the math of what actually happens in the fight. Not only was Pacquiao landing more punches, and better punches, in almost all the rounds, he was controlling the ring. I'm sure he'll fight Bradley again (it took floyd 8 months to fight castillo again), but if I'd been robbed that badly (remember Floyd wasn't robbed, he walked away with the W) I'd have no problem stepping away to fight someone else first.

Pacquiao has never been one to run away from a rematch (he fought Morales two more times after losing), so I'm not sure where you get that logic from.

The judge scoring of the Pacman/Marquez fight was so defunct that Keith Kizer called a special education session before this fight.. It was universally derided as an embarrassment to the sport of boxing.

I guess some people see what they want to see, but you can't reconcile the math with your opinion of the fight.

 

[OutworldKeith]

Compubox isn't relevant for judges to see.. It's relevant because they keep track of the math of what actually happens in the fight. Not only was Pacquiao landing more punches, and better punches, in almost all the rounds, he was controlling the ring. I'm sure he'll fight Bradley again (it took floyd 8 months to fight castillo again), but if I'd been robbed that badly (remember Floyd wasn't robbed, he walked away with the W) I'd have no problem stepping away to fight someone else first.

Pacquiao has never been one to run away from a rematch (he fought Morales two more times after losing), so I'm not sure where you get that logic from.

The judge scoring of the Pacman/Marquez fight was so defunct that Keith Kizer called a special education session before this fight.. It was universally derided as an embarrassment to the sport of boxing.

I guess some people see what they want to see, but you can't reconcile the math with your opinion of the fight.

Castillo was "robbed". It took Mayweather 8 months because he had a torn rotator cuff going into the fight. The point is he was willing to silence all doubts/controversies. Manny said he would rematch Marquez, and didn't. He looked really bad in the 3rd Marquez fight, and chose Bradley because he thought it would be an easy KO win.

Judges score on effective aggression, clean punching, ring generalship, and defense. Compubox is NOT a factor in how a fight is scored.

It's not my logic...it's boxing bro! Plenty of champions in boxing history have gone back to silence a controversial win or loss. With the exception of Sugar Ray Leonard when he didn't want to face Marvin Hagler again. It's a unwritten rule bro.

He also fought Morales AFTER he got beat down by Zahir Raheem. So if he's this fearless warrior why did he opt to fight the LOSER of Morales vs Raheem? lol

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Castillo was "robbed". It took Mayweather 8 months because he had a torn rotator cuff going into the fight. The point is he was willing to silence all doubts/controversies. Manny said he would rematch Marquez, and didn't. He looked really bad in the 3rd Marquez fight, and chose Bradley because he thought it would be an easy KO win.

Judges score on effective aggression, clean punching, ring generalship, and defense. Compubox is NOT a factor in how a fight is scored.

It's not my logic...it's boxing bro! Plenty of champions in boxing history have gone back to silence a controversial win or loss. With the exception of Sugar Ray Leonard when he didn't want to face Marvin Hagler again. It's a unwritten rule bro.

He also fought Morales AFTER he got beat down by Zahir Raheem. So if he's this fearless warrior why did he opt to fight the LOSER of Morales vs Raheem? lol

I don't understand why you're presuming that Pacquiao won't fight Bradley again.. It doesn't fit with his track record at all, and Pacquiao has never been a fight dodger.

And Pacquiao was clearly ahead in all the scoring categories.. There is absolutely no metric by which Bradley wins a majority of rounds in that fight. He was more agressive and landed more clean shots in nearly all rounds in addition to controlling the ring. Bradley's wife was distraught and crying after the fight before the decision was announced (and she looked completely shocked when it was read), and his own corner told him he was behind.. Lets be serious, not even his own people thought he won the fight.

Even Bradley said he'd have to go back and look at it. You don't have to go back and look at it if you know you won the fight

 

[OutworldKeith]

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Pacquiao has dodged plenty of fighters lol. when he moved up to Lightweight he fought DAVID DIAZ. Who btw was the weakest champion in the division. If he was really as good as your saying he would've fought Juan "baby bull" Diaz. He dodged Zahir Raheem! He was looking to rematch Morales I understand, but Raheem beat Morales. He also called Manny out and he obviosly turned down the fight lol.

Effective aggression, clean punching, ring generalship, and defense are all judged on a round by round basis. Pacquiao is always aggressive, but that doesn't mean he's the effective aggressor. He couldn't dodge a punch to save his life (none of Freddy Roaches fighters have defense). A majority of the fight was in the middle of the ring where Bradley dominates, while Manny excels when his opponent is cornered. Bradley's defense was superb that night. He didn't have any bruises, so it makes you wonder how many clean punches did Manny actually landed .He's supposed to have this GDLK punching power you know.

Ok Manny's wife was the same way the last time he "beat" Marquez, but Juan still lost that fight right?

As for his corner, you'll see a fighters corner telling him that he's wining the fight when he's obviously losing. It's motivational tactics to get the fighter more into the fight.

Doesn't seem like you've been watching boxing very long...

 

[CrimsonShadow]

That was one hell of a punch.. Goodness. Lights clean out

 

[CRUM]

There goes your superfight. You can thank shitty judges and Bob Arum for robbing us of the biggest fight in Boxing history.

 

[Rampage254]

So.....much....swag, in that punch.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

There goes your superfight. You can thank shitty judges and Bob Arum for robbing us of the biggest fight in Boxing history.

CRUM, reminds me why I'm an MMA fan

 

[DJ L Toro]

Which telecast did you watch?

I had the fight 115-113 for Bradley 7 rounds to 5. Manny was on autopilot for the first 2 minutes of at least 5 rounds of that fight. He tried to throw flurries the last minute of those rounds. However judges are supposed to score the entire round not just the last minute.

Bradley showed great defense, he landed the cleaner punches, and he won more rounds.

Anybody who honestly thinks that was a robbery doesn't know how to score a fight. Marquez/Pacquiao 3 was a prime example of a robbery. Marquez won at least 7 clear rounds, and that's more than half the fight.

dude, WBO did a review of the pac vs bradley fight with 5 international world renowned officials and it was a unanimous decision for pac 117-111, 117-111, 118-110, 116-112, and 115-113. It wasnt even close

 

[CRUM]

If you think Bradley beat PacMan your on crack. Anyone with 1/4th of a brain could see that Pac Man won that fight. It doesn't matter now anyway seeing as Floyd now has his reason to duck PacMan. MMA is the better sport these days.

 

[Rampage254]

Everyone just shut up and enjoy both sports like me.

 

[CRUM]

Everyone just shut up and enjoy both sports like me.

nah I'm good. Boxing is trash

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Everyone just shut up and enjoy both sports like me.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate both sports.. I just don't agree with the way boxing is run. It's considered an option to fight the top contenders rather than a guarantee.. And so much of everything is about money, rather than the integrity of the sport. Promoters have far too much power and they willingly abuse it.

The Bradley decision + the Hopkins/Dawson debacle, along with the and the end of the Mayweather-Ortiz fight has soured me on the current state of the sport.

Not to take anything away from Marquez though.. That was one heck of a bomb he landed.

 

[OutworldKeith]

dude, WBO did a review of the pac vs bradley fight with 5 international world renowned officials and it was a unanimous decision for pac 117-111, 117-111, 118-110, 116-112, and 115-113. It wasnt even close

It's nothing anybody on TYM can tell me about boxing. I was an amateur boxer for 5 years, and I know my shit.

HBO was completely biased calling the fight. Like I said before, if you watched their telecast you would have thought Bradley some scrub on the street.

Where were these 5 international world renowned officials when Manny got his ass handed to him by Marquez in the 3rd fight, and Jaun was robbed?

The thing is Bradley did better than Marquez did in the 3rd fight.

Boxing is so corrupt it's not even funny. Those officials would've said anything if the money was right.

 

[CRUM]

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate both sports.. I just don't agree with the way boxing is run. It's considered an option to fight the top contenders rather than a guarantee.. And the Bradley decision + the Hopkins/Dawson debacle, along with the and the end of the Mayweather-Ortiz fight has soured me on the current state of the sport.

Not to take anything away from Marquez though.. That was one heck of a bomb he landed.

Exactly, the whole sport is corrupt at this point. And once the last 4 or 5 popular boxers hang it up, Boxing will fade slowly.