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General/Other Oh, to be alone. (Practically)

Over the course of my days in MK9, I learned a variety of characters in the roster. The method was relatively the same for each fighter: take baby steps and get a feel, look at general tips and guides, learn some frame data, improve on my own for a bit, then learn MU strategies, and continue improving on my own from there, whilst taking a look for more info every now and then.

But Kratos is a different story. I decided to learn him despite his banned-tier status, knowing that he will not be there to assist me in any tourney, but that does not matter; it is very unlikely that I'll ever participate in an MK9 tournament.

All the training I have put myself through with a multitude of fighters over the months was seemingly in preparation for Kratos. Without any sort of guide or tutorial on how to use him, only some scraps of information in his graveyard called a sub-forum, I am left with only my wits and ability to improve. But I was not entirely left in the darkness, for the great and powerful Somberness was there to give his frame data to the Kratos sub-forum, and that helped me out.

Over the weeks of my self-teaching, I attempted to inject some life into Kratos' catacombs, and that was accomplished, but only marginally. It was all lost after the September Data Loss of TYM, but I still pulled through and tried again to spit and shine Kratos' cemetary, but meh, that did not work as well as before.

As I type this, I have a good idea of how to use Kratos. I think I can do well with him, but the greatest obstacle preventing me from doing so is MU experience with Kratos. Yeah: Knowing what to do, what works and what does not in a matchup is important, and that is what I currently need to work on. (It doesn't help that he is a low B-tier fighter, whatever, my only high-tier character is Freddy Krueger)

Oh, to be alone (practically) in my quest to improve with Kratos. It is a sad thing, but it almost feels good, like I'm feeding off of the loneliness or something. :confused:

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Let me entertain whoever is reading this with one of my favorite MK9 videos involving Kratos:

Kratos and the Ladies, they won't bow down to him. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
 
lol, are you really THAT much alone in here? And I'm talking "Taking a leak with the bathroom door wide open" alone here.
I look at his graveyard almost every day. Who do you see post all the recent shit in here?

Add me on PSN baroo and you can parry me until your heart's content.
Kratos vs Smoke: 4-6, a nearly possible 3-7 in advantage for Smoke. I thank you for the kind offer, Ribbzy.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
yo kratos in on a tier of his own, and his cancels are godlike (see what i did there?) his hitbox when blocking is also really weird, makes some moves wiff. if his infinite wasn't so easy he would even be banned. i say hes a little higher than b tier, parry leads to %50 damage? use the parry to your advantage you know they are going to poke so blow there poke up, if he had better faster normal he would be really good.
 
http://www.twitch.tv/kombatnetwork/b/337144869


Skip to about 4:50:00
Kratos vs Reptile
Take the match-up lightly because REO isn't a Reptile main. It MAY give a better understanding of the match-up, hopefully
Thank you very much, Insuperable! I gotta take some notes for the matchup, I don't know if it'll do me any good because I'm always free to Reptile, but every little bit helps.

I commend you for sticking with him when no one else will. That's true character loyalty, mate.
It helps that I really like Kratos' character, along with the fact this allows me to release my inner hipster. Thanks.

>In a tier of his own
Yeah: Banned-tier. *Points to the title below Alien Substance*

>Cancels
They are pretty good when used right.

>Hitbox
I know it somewhat dilutes Cage's F+3,3 because the third hit whiffs on stand-block. I don't know what else whiffs on him due to his special hitbox.

>Infinite = Banned
Though his infinite might've been patched out, Kratos has always been banned.

>Little higher than B-tier
My mind is still set about Kratos being low B-tier. How much experience do you have with Kratos? I'd like to hear what'chu have to say, if you will.

>Golden Fleece
It cannot parry pokes.

>Better and faster normal
A 9-frame standing 2 would be fine with me.
 

Axel_Redd

Vampire Jesus....he wants YOUR blood now!!
his infinite IS patched.

i play kratos on the side but, its way to hard to play him effectively online, his dash cancels are much harder to do than even kabals. With Kratos, spacing is your best friend since u wanna make use of kratos greatest assets. His stupidly long reach of his normals. If u can maintain that spacing of just outside sweep range. Thats where he's at his strongest
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
Thank you very much, Insuperable! I gotta take some notes for the matchup, I don't know if it'll do me any good because I'm always free to Reptile, but every little bit helps.


It helps that I really like Kratos' character, along with the fact this allows me to release my inner hipster. Thanks.


>In a tier of his own
Yeah; banned-tier. *Points to the title below Alien Substance*

>Cancels
They are pretty good when used right.

>Hitbox
I know it somewhat dilutes Cage's F+3,3 because the third hit whiffs on stand-block. I don't know what else whiffs on him due to his special hitbox.

>Infinite = Banned
Though his infinite might've been patched out, Kratos has always been banned.

>Little higher than B-tier
My mind is still set about Kratos being low B-tier. How much experience do you have with Kratos? I'd like to hear what'chu have to say, if you will.

>Golden Fleece
It cannot parry pokes.

>Better and faster normal
A 9-frame standing 2 would be fine with me.
my expierence with kratos is playing insuperable and every other kratos online. have you ever blown a poke up or is this just what i do cuz cage can? a blocked d3 is -7 at best and d1 like -13, if you bait out a poke from your opponent which with kratos is extremely easy because fleece is 1 frame, so when your being pressured you know a poke is coming because they dont want to get blown up for %50 +. they reason he is higher than b tier is 1) 1 frame parry that leads to half your life gone. 2) cancel pressure gives good block adv from what i see in his frame data 3) his damage is insane, i dont remember the exact kombo but off of 21 cancel f2 ect ect soup did like %60 in the corner two bars. but the main reason is the parry. what other character can spend no meter at all parry in between an opponents string and do %50+ damage? there you go.
 
my expierence with kratos is playing insuperable and every other kratos online. have you ever blown a poke up or is this just what i do cuz cage can? a blocked d3 is -7 at best and d1 like -13, if you bait out a poke from your opponent which with kratos is extremely easy because fleece is 1 frame, so when your being pressured you know a poke is coming because they dont want to get blown up for %50 +. they reason he is higher than b tier is 1) 1 frame parry that leads to half your life gone. 2) cancel pressure gives good block adv from what i see in his frame data 3) his damage is insane, i dont remember the exact kombo but off of 21 cancel f2 ect ect soup did like %60 in the corner two bars. but the main reason is the parry. what other character can spend no meter at all parry in between an opponents string and do %50+ damage? there you go.
See, I need a bit more clarification, are you saying that I can blow up a blocked poke using his fastest normal (12 frames) that links into Head of Helios? Or that I can parry a poke using the Golden Fleece?

1) It sure is hella good, but it cannot be done back-to-back like Cyber Sub-Zero's parry can; if it doesn't parry anything, you gotta wait for the recovery frames to finish before Kratos can do another one, leading to the parry being bait-able.

2) Yes, yes it does. Doesn't stop a knowledgable opponent from poking, jumping out, (or for some characters), full-combo punishing HDC pressure, however.

3) Resetless-Cyrax-like damage output; 55% meterless mid-screen BnB, along with a 40% meterless AA BnB.

I think you may be forgetting that not all of Kratos' combos will dish the full damage, the reason being Breakers. With a Breaker, the opponent gets another chance not to fuck up and get hit. Then the opponent has an opportunity to build more Meter or to damage Kratos if he screws up somewhere.

I really think we should just unban Kratos, no joke.
Take that to the Outworld Remonstrate!

i dunno, being able to scissor someone in half with only ur legs & thighs is pretty impressive...

and why are u talking about sonya fatalities in a kratos thread? o-0
You didn't watch the video I embedded in the original post?
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
See, I need a bit more clarification, are you saying that I can blow up a blocked poke using his fastest normal (12 frames) that links into Head of Helios? Or that I can parry a poke using the Golden Fleece?

1) It sure is hella good, but it cannot be done back-to-back like Cyber Sub-Zero's parry can; if it doesn't parry anything, you gotta wait for the recovery frames to finish before Kratos can do another one, leading to the parry being bait-able.

2) Yes, yes it does. Doesn't stop a knowledgable opponent from poking, jumping out, (or for some characters), full-combo punishing HDC pressure, however.

3) Resetless-Cyrax-like damage output; 55% meterless mid-screen BnB, along with a 40% meterless AA BnB.

I think you may be forgetting that not all of Kratos' combos will dish the full damage, the reason being Breakers. With a Breaker, the opponent gets another chance not to fuck up and get hit. Then the opponent has an opportunity to build more Meter or to damage Kratos if he screws up somewhere.


Take that to the Outworld Remonstrate!


You didn't watch the video I embedded in the original post?
his parry has way more active frames and parries most projectiles aswell, if i mained kratos i would figure out ever other chracters interuptable strings to parry in between, imagine not being able to throw a projectile or pressure him? kratos vs kano 10 - 0 MU, all of kano strings can be interupted, and he cant throw knives lolololol. and yes am talking about block a d1 or d3 and 21 into combo for blocked pokes. to me if you play kratos at the highest level which is really hard since he is banned he would be A tier, only characters like kenshi smoke liu kang and kabal would beat him, maybe cage but f33b3 can be interupted as well as 21f2
 

Blind_Ducky

Princess of the Sisterhood
Didn't read through every thing so if someone said this already sorry, Kratos still has an infinite. TylerLantern showed it in a few videos and I've done it a couple times. Just do 21 dash cancel 21 in the corner and its an infinite combo as opposed to Kabals block infinite.
 
his parry has way more active frames and parries most projectiles aswell, if i mained kratos i would figure out ever other chracters interuptable strings to parry in between, imagine not being able to throw a projectile or pressure him? kratos vs kano 10 - 0 MU, all of kano strings can be interupted, and he cant throw knives lolololol. and yes am talking about block a d1 or d3 and 21 into combo for blocked pokes. to me if you play kratos at the highest level which is really hard since he is banned he would be A tier, only characters like kenshi smoke liu kang and kabal would beat him, maybe cage but f33b3 can be interupted as well as 21f2
>Active frames + parries most projectiles
The Golden Fleece has 28 active frames, CSZ's Icy Counter has 43.

>No projectiles or pressuring against him
I do see the fact that having Jedi-like senses for Parries and knowing when to parry-interrupt in strings is essential for playing a monster Kratos.

>Kratos vs Kano 10-0
Interesting, you may be right about that, but 10-0 seems like way too much, 9-1 is more probable.

>Block pokes, full-combo punish 'em
Standing 1 and 2 are high attacks and won't hit crouching opponents. Kratos is left with F+4,2, which is 13 frames.

>Playing Kratos at the highest level
I set Kratos at low B-tier for his matchup points, but as I learn more and increase in experience, they may be subject to change. It isn't really hard because Kratos is banned, rather it is Kratos having a higher learning-curve akin to Jade.

I thank you Zyphox for giving me some more hope and motivation for Kratos.
 

Axel_Redd

Vampire Jesus....he wants YOUR blood now!!
Didn't read through every thing so if someone said this already sorry, Kratos still has an infinite. TylerLantern showed it in a few videos and I've done it a couple times. Just do 21 dash cancel 21 in the corner and its an infinite combo as opposed to Kabals block infinite.
so it only works in the corner then?