Montreal 2012 Thread

[LolingOctopus]

You know what I got to say to this?

Shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and shoulder charge and finally shoulder charge.

shoutouts to T.roll for calling them on the spot

 

[LolingOctopus]

upto play at the highest level, you need armor nigga

edit : id give up a lung for ermac to have armor.
even on his b2, like in sf4 with focus cancel lol

even fucking freddy has armor >_>

you should try stryker, he has semi-armor

edit: but seriously I understand what you are saying and I respect the fun factor

 

[zaf]

you cant shoulder charge armor man lol

i guess any character with armor does end up working in the end.

doesn't nightwolf have armor on his AA choke ?
similar to raidens shocker

 

[CanadianBaconX]

I need armour eh? Guess I'm maining Sheeva xD

 

[zaf]

I need armour eh? Guess I'm maining Sheeva xD

KL has armor =P

 

[LolingOctopus]

you cant shoulder charge armor man lol

i guess any character with armor does end up working in the end.

doesn't nightwolf have armor on his AA choke ?
similar to raidens shocker

ex shoulder and ex choke if I remember correctly.

And don't worry, shoulder charge is just my new gimmick.

 

[T.roll]

I need armour eh? Guess I'm maining Sheeva xD

main sheeva and we can demolish all of montreal with our sheevas. Nike -just do it-

 

[Jedah]

Actually I Think Kenshi Rain is more like 8-2 Kenshi

@ Charlie2417 yeah man most of my thoughts and predictions usually come true lol

 

[KRYS9984]

The funny thing about Kenshi vs Rain is that some people think it's 6 - 4 in Rains' favor and some say it's 6 - 4 in Kenshis' favor.

Personally, I think the latter is an accurate statement.

Don't get me wrong, Rain has some fantastic tools at his disposal and is completely drenched in armor (no pun intended) but it's just not enough to compete with Kenshi and his set of tools / armor.

- Much like a majority of the cast, Rain has to get in on Kenshi by foot because (LBSH) his standard teleport is pretty useless and gets full combo punished if read correctly. Even if you land an EN teleport, you'll be spending a bar of meter just to send Kenshi full screen once again.

- He can use his specials such as lightning to link water bubble from full screen, but the start-up frames on this special are very slow and Kenshi can teleflurry / far downward slash all day.

- If Kenshi has meter (Rain manages to get in), any variation of 4, 3 Roundhouse pressure gets stuffed. As soon as Rain cancels a Roundhouse or commits to a roundhouse, Kenshi can activate any form of armor to beat it..........

However..........

If Rain has meter, his EN Roundhouse will bypass Kenshis' armor and grant him some HUGE damage. Rain has some crazy armor and as we all know, in Mortal Kombat 9, there's armor and then there's Super Armor.

I have always felt that match-up charts are simple guidelines but it really comes down to the player chart and how they use the character.

This match can easily be won by Rain with the right skill level and reads but it's ultimately tougher for him imho.

 

[Jedah]

Great post and I respect your point of view. However outside of theory fighter land Rain gets bodied by Kenshi thats imo.

 

[KRYS9984]

Great post and I respect your point of view. However outside of theory fighter land Rain gets bodied by Kenshi thats imo.

I agree,

You can always find small loopholes for one character to capitalize on another whether is specials, frame data, etc... but it can all turn out to be a bunch of theory fighting as you mentioned.

In a real match, character A has to get within range of Character B to put all this theory into effect. If that never happens, I guess it's game over.

That's what I really enjoy about the level-up session at Foonzo; we can put all these ideas into practice on a real opponents and view the outcome.

 

[Jedah]

No doubt hold it down!

 

[LolingOctopus]

When I played rain (2 weeks ago, not that I'm trying to claim it's been ages away hahaha) I felt that his mobility was his downfall. He hits like a truck, has plentyful of armor and is simply a swagtastic man. However, when one consider the fact you can always run away from rain thats where things get shitty. Teleport can be punished on reaction and not on read which makes it harder to hop over the place.

He's a great character with a major flaw. That is, in my scrubby opinion.

ps: shoulder charge <3

 

[Chuckychuck]

When I played rain (2 weeks ago, not that I'm trying to claim it's been ages away hahaha) I felt that his mobility was his downfall. He hits like a truck, has plentyful of armor and is simply a swagtastic man. However, when one consider the fact you can always run away from rain thats where things get shitty. Teleport can be punished on reaction and not on read which makes it harder to hop over the place.

He's a great character with a major flaw. That is, in my scrubby opinion.

ps: shoulder charge <3

Rain looses the Kenshi MU for the same reason Sub does. Kenshi shuts down footsies and Rain has to inch his way in with his slow ass dash just like Sub.

 

[LolingOctopus]

Rain looses the Kenshi MU for the same reason Sub does. Kenshi shuts down footsies and Rain has to inch his way in with his slow ass dash just like Sub.

To be fair for Rain, if he read any offensive move by kenshi he can hope to instant air teleport to be closer to kenshi and start pressure.

I'd say sub has it worse than rain.

 

[xQUANTUMx]

fuck yes he does, makes me want to tear my eyes out....smoke not having armor is also taking some getting used to for me...

 

[Jer]

To be fair for Rain, if he read any offensive move by kenshi he can hope to instant air teleport to be closer to kenshi and start pressure.

I'd say sub has it worse than rain.

Instant air teleport will just hit me away from you and you're back in a situation, idk why you'd wanna do that.

 

[zaf]

fuck yes he does, makes me want to tear my eyes out....smoke not having armor is also taking some getting used to for me...

he does have a parry with meter. can work well in some situations.

 

[zaf]

Instant air teleport will just hit me away from you and you're back in a situation, idk why you'd wanna do that.

^^^ yup

 

[C-Sword]

Instant air teleport will just hit me away from you and you're back in a situation, idk why you'd wanna do that.

We had some close matches, I'd get a huge life lead, but I never could land the final blow to beat your Kenshi, one mistake and meterless and it's over. I'm trying to finish my combos with 4,3 instead of a geyser kick now.

 

[xQUANTUMx]

he does have a parry with meter. can work well in some situations.

def...I feel like I abuse it against Cage...have to stop being so predictable with it

 

[zaf]

We had some close matches, I'd get a huge life lead, but I never could land the final blow to beat your Kenshi, one mistake and meterless and it's over. I'm trying to finish my combos with 4,3 instead of a geyser kick now.

Try and end the combos in a water bubble for the reset.
Its really good. Picture it being similar to an ermac combo ending in f4.
if you read that kenshi will armor when you pressure after the reset, just cross up.

I think i need to start using more f4 against kenshi as a combo ender, but at the same time I need to take as much health away from him as i can when i get in.

 

[LolingOctopus]

Yo guys, I was wondering you wanna get some casuals going before you guys leave in 2 days? Some final practice to make sure MTL is damn ready for MLG :3?

 

[KRYS9984]

Try and end the combos in a water bubble for the reset.
Its really good. Picture it being similar to an ermac combo ending in f4.
if you read that kenshi will armor when you pressure after the reset, just cross up.

I think i need to start using more f4 against kenshi as a combo ender, but at the same time I need to take as much health away from him as i can when i get in.

Have you tried the full-screen wiffed teleport set-ups?

When fighting kenshis and characters who feel comfortable full screen (Noob, Freddy), I try to abuse the wiffed teleport set-up to keep me in. I try to keep my opponent as close as possible because even though you manage to take 40% - 50% of their life in one combo, trying to get back in on them while potentially taking a lot of projectile damage is not ideal.

You can go directly into a block string, throw, d3 to pick them up if they play dead or simply block and bait a wake-up attack.

C-Sword, the water bubble ender is good as well as the wiffed teleport which can lead to the same scenarios I listed above.

 

[zaf]

Have you tried the full-screen wiffed teleport set-ups?

When fighting kenshis and characters who feel comfortable full screen (Noob, Freddy), I try to abused the wiffed teleport set-up to keep me in. I try to keep my opponent as close as possible because even though you manage to take 40% - 50% of their life in one combo, trying to get back in on them while potentially taking a lot of projectile damage is not ideal.

You can go directly into a block string, throw, d3 to pick them up if they play dead or simply block and bait a wake-up attack.

C-Sword, the water bubble ender is good as well as the wiffed teleport which can lead to the same scenarios I listed above.

Yea what i will do is end the combo in tkp and teleport to get behind them.
But jer and other top players punish this as it is not safe. It can be punished, i warn you now.
Against people who do not know about it, i abuse it.

if i am at 2 bars and a half, or even 1 bar and a half, ill use an ex tkp and then safely teleport and go for a set up. but i like to keep my meter for xray against kenshi.

i am the ermac meta