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MK10? how about UMK9 first?

Rathalos

Play Monster Hunter!
I'm sure we have had this thread several times in the past, but hey lets try it again.

MK10 probably isn't going to be out for awhile, we know its going to be on next gen systems which isn't that far away, but also, after Injustice NRS is looking at the possibility of making a game in a new genre(I can't blame them MK for 20 years straight is a bit much).

Personally I like the idea of a UMK9 way better then just jumping into a true sequel, MK9 is pretty rough, glitches and balance issues(this can be said for most new fighting games though), but at its core its really fun and has a lot of good ideas, it just needs more polish. Most other fighting games don't get really good until there 2nd or 3rd iteration, just look at Tekken, or any Street Fighter series.

This thread is for what you would want in a UMK9, this is different then the MK10 wishlist thread, mostly because where aiming a lot lower here.

The first two big things that need to be addressed, the story, and the name. Unfortunately MK games NEED a story, you can't just put out the same thing with a few new characters and balance changes, the casual MK fans would be furious, however they probably don't want to move the story forward yet until a true blue sequel where they will address shinok and kratos fucking shit up. And the name, Marvel kinda stole the Ultimate prefix, so using it right now would make them look bad.

For the story I think they should just create a bunch of smaller stories that have little to do with each other but focus on some random events before MK.
The stuff between Shang Tsung and Kenshi.
The stuff between Rain, Kitana, Jade, and throw in Skarlet.
A random Lin Kui mission with Sub-Zero, Smoke, Sektor, Cyrax.

No idea about the name, MK gold? MK gaiden? MK revengeance?

Things this game would obviously include.

Fix all the glitches(is there a thread that has documented all the glitches in a nice and easy to read format? If not someone should do that)

Character rebalance, lots of nerfs and buffs.

Change some characters around who have real flaws, or are broken, like removing specials and giving them new ones. Sheeva, Baraka, Stryker, Kano, Raiden, Cyber Sub-Zero.

Fix the blocking, thus fixing the variable frame data.

Adding in some "easy" characters, maybe 8 or so.

New outfits, singleplayer modes, touched up online.

Take all the kombat kodes and put them in options menu as toggles, so we can just have no fatalities, blood, and character damage, that shit has gotten SO OLD.

None of this is going to happen, there obviously very done with this game and completely focused on Injustice, but let us dream, though dream small as if this was a budget re releases, so no new training mode...

What kinds of changes would like to characters, buffs, nerfs, changes to system mechanics like the throw system, combo breakers, removing all the fucking armor.
 

astronout

see you at the top.
UMK9 > MK10

don't think i will happend as it is too far long in ps3/xbox 360's life cycles, coinciding with the fact that Injustice, MK10, and other unconfirmed NRS releases are still in the works. though, MK9 was the highest grossing game in MK's history, so the revenue stream is there.

one can only hope
 

mighty_honour_korea

HYO-OO *nut punch*
I'm still on the fence about Injustice, but if they brought this out then MK9 would definitely be the last NRS game I ever bought. You don't let a years worth of unresolved bugs and balance issues pile up only to fix them all in one big patch and charge the full retail price of a game for it.

Doing absolutely nothing about it isn't much better mind you.

In summation, get a grip NRS.
 

Rathalos

Play Monster Hunter!
For new characters I would go the super easy route, not bring any 3D characters in, just recycle some old ones.

First the three bosses become playable. Obviously they would need to be heavily changed and would need some actual normals. Since MK has the same health all around they would probably need some pretty big weakness's to even them a bit, how about they don't have meters? No EX attacks, no combo breakers, no ex attacks.

Goro- changed heavily, made into an actual grappler, use what they learn with grundy to make him. No more fireball and teleport though.

Kintaro- A zoning/grappler hybrid. Keeps his fireball and fire breath and can zone pretty well, up close he has a couple command grabs, not as powerful as goro but useful to create distance.

Shao Khan- I don't really know what to do with him, maybe make him a suped up Cage? Probably nerf the shit out of his projectiles, though they kinda already suck.

Robot smoke- Not canon. A mix between human smoke and Scorpion. Maybe keep his weird Deception look, but make it look a bit less lame.

Human Cyrax/Sektor- I kinda felt it was pretty stupid that they were just clones of there robot forms, they really should have been different, they should also get some new names, Cyrax and Sektor make me think of some robots, not a chinese dude and his black best friend.

Cyrax- Let him keep his dragon balls and teleport, give him some African dagger looking things, some poison darts he can shoot out of his wrist bands

Sektor- Hes a Chinese warrior, would be cool if he did Tai chi, and had one of those cool Tai chi swords, "jian" I think there called.

Tundra- Replaces Cyber-sub. He has both Robot and Human skins and the maskless sub-zero alt. Hes basically just the way to make older and younger sub different. He loses his bombs, teleport, and ice blast. He keeps the dive kicks, slide, and ice parry. He also gets the ice shower from MK3, and ice ninja stars like his fatality, there basically a carbon copy of skarlets dagger, spammable shit.

A shadow priest- Those dudes who stand around some levels floating in black cloaks being all badass and shit. Basically replaces freddy, they have wicked claws and shoot black energy attacks at the opponent.

Tremor- Why the fuck not at this point, I made a long post about a potential movelist for him long ago, have no idea if it still exists on this forum.

Boraicho- fat guy.
 

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
LBSH, they've been saying "next gen systems aren't that far away" since like 2009 lol, if Nintendo wants to put out an Xbox 360 with a tablet out in 2012, that's on them.

Main reason we probably haven't heard ANYTHING about MK post-MK9 is because they don't know where to go from here setting wise (was this whole alternate timeline a one-off "what if" scenario and going back to succeeding Armageddon?)

Plus I guess they'd rather simply wait a while so that the mass market will eventually forget how bad MK9's netcode is, and get suckered in by Injustice instead.

Like it or lump it, we may know more about NRS's games than they do, but at the same time, we're less than 1/10th of 1% of their revenue.
 

Rathalos

Play Monster Hunter!
I'm still on the fence about Injustice, but if they brought this out then MK9 would definitely be the last NRS game I ever bought. You don't let a years worth of unresolved bugs and balance issues pile up only to fix them all in one big patch and charge the full retail price of a game for it.

Doing absolutely nothing about it isn't much better mind you.

In summation, get a grip NRS.
The problem with that though is that a lot of the stuff people want fixed can't really be fixed with a patch.
For instance the netcode, no amount of patching is going to fix that.
Same with the input bug, that is deeply rooted into the games code and can't be fixed.
Balance wise, some characters need to be straight gutted, they were too faithful to MK1-3 with some characters, and they suffered because of it, or in Kabals case is too fucking amazing.

A fighting game is something people put HUNDREDS of hours into, a lot of us wouldn't mind paying another 60 dollars for hundreds more hours, a lot of people pay 60 for a fucking 10 hour game, unless your a casual MK fan who is only going to play the story mode, 60 bux is fucking nothing.
 

lazybird123

Purple Belt in BJJ, White Belt in MK
I disagree about Human Sektor and Cyrax, why would their normals be different when they are Cyborg or human form? Although I agree the specials should be different
 

Rathalos

Play Monster Hunter!
I disagree about Human Sektor and Cyrax, why would their normals be different when they are Cyborg or human form? Although I agree the specials should be different
Some of there normals use there robot stuff, like Sektors fire punchs, or Cyrax using his buzzsaw or grenade punch attack thing, and if you go through the trouble of changing a couple strings around, you might as well just go full hog.
 

Rathalos

Play Monster Hunter!
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I spent hours writing out my plans for UMK9 at the beginning of Summer and planned to post it to TYM, but got rid of it, because I thought everyone would have thought it dumb.
fuck
Well if you still remember any of it post it, I'm interested in hearing all kinds of ideas,.

No UMK9 please. Otherwise, NRS will get the idea that Capcom has the right idea and start coming out with MK9, UMK9, LEUMK9, SATCLEUMK9, and etc.

I'd rather them come out with MK10 on the next gen.
Capcom does have it right though. It may suck for you wallet, but fighting games need iterations, there hard to make and lots of stuff can go wrong.

Best example AE2012, its a fantastic game, do you know why? Because capcom keeps working on it, OG arcade release > console release > SSF4 > AE > AE2012.
Vanilla SF4 was kinda ass, not quite as bad as MK9, but it had lots of glitches and terrible balance.
All the best fighting games have had multiple iterations, Blazblue, Guilty Gear, pretty much every SF series, King of Fighters, this stuff is not exclusive to Capcom, its pretty much NRS is the only one that doesn't.
 

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
Some of there normals use there robot stuff, like Sektors fire punchs, or Cyrax using his buzzsaw or grenade punch attack thing, and if you go through the trouble of changing a couple strings around, you might as well just go full hog.
Human Cyrax's actually somewhat makes sense, Human Sektor is a monstrosity of a design though yeah, might aswell just start over and make him his own character.
 

DragonPick

I don't play Runescape
I remember adding stages from this older games and the 3D ones (mainly Pit III and Yin Yang Island) and changing up almost all the grapple attacks like Jax's Gotcha and such. They were made into half Circles (Gotcha became BDF) and unblockable, but also you could duck most of them.

Jade's Flash was fixed to work on AoE attacks, Sub-zero got the ice shower move from the 2d games, and everyone in the game (even Kratos) got a new outfit (and a color alt mode, so you could change the colors).
Also Sindel got armor on her scream and the only thing I remember else was this thing you could do instead of Xray, where you'd boost all your special moves while your bar slowly drains.

I touched on every character in the game at least once, though and made sure everyone got at least one change.
 

BillStickers

Do not touch me again.
I don't understand why MK9 Komplete Edition wasn't UMK9.

Furthermore, these requests are absolutely outrageous. EIGHT new characters? REMOVING Kombat Kodes, a trademark of MK?? Hiring writers, artists, and actors for the story additions you want? AND on top of that you want new costumes, bug fixes, and balancing?

Seriously, some of you guys are 1000% out of touch with how games are developed. You are talking about thousands and thousands of hours of labor for a simple UPGRADE that will inevitably be lambasted for catering too much to the hardcore fans and being a rehash of a 2 year old game. I don't mind most of these wish-list scenarios, but i IMPLORE you to approach them with some kind of realism.
 

mighty_honour_korea

HYO-OO *nut punch*
I don't understand why MK9 Komplete Edition wasn't UMK9.

Furthermore, these requests are absolutely outrageous. EIGHT new characters? REMOVING Kombat Kodes, a trademark of MK?? Hiring writers, artists, and actors for the story additions you want? AND on top of that you want new costumes, bug fixes, and balancing?

Seriously, some of you guys are 1000% out of touch with how games are developed.
Sounds like an expansion pack to me, something actually quite common and typically sold cheaper than a full price game. I'm really not sure why you think it's that outrageous. The new Starcraft expansion for example has new units (characters), new maps (stages) and a new campaign (story) mode.
 

Rathalos

Play Monster Hunter!
Other things off the top of my head.

Fix the corners in the stages to make clear makers when a corner starts.
Character hit boxes, especially when there on the floor so you can't walk over someone and put yourself in the corner.
Trades obviously.
Unique air normals, one punch one kick, and no ridiculous frame advantage from them.
Different starting animations for forward and backwards throws.
Port over those roman cancels from Injustice to here, but only work on strings, if you wiff one, you can pay a meter to cancel it.
Buff normals for everyone so AA in general is easier.
Limit one combo breaker per match, still costs two meters.
Can't break combos when you are in a juggle state? Everyone will hate this but me.

Sindel
First give her a new stance because this is what she looks like.
Remove her levitate and give her air dashes, very fast air dashes.
You can cancel an air dash with another air dash and stay in the air as long as you want.
You can also cancel a air dash with a air fireball, and cancel an air fireball with an air dash.
Normal low fireball knocksdown similar to how the EX one does currently.
EX hair grab is unblockable.
A new special taunt.
 

MagicMan357

"130 ms is more legit than Labbing" - TYM
UMK9 or mk10, things i would want:
- Everyone to have COMBOS, none of that noob saibot type nonsense
- Gravity on air hits like injustice
- Building meter: you cannot Activate a breaker mid combo, you have to wait until after (since people dont like breakers, which im 50/50 about)
- get rid of 50/50 grabs, its stupid people dont lie
- consistent pushback on strings
- Take freddy and kratos out (if umk9)
- Running!
- functioning training mode
- Non glitchy frame data
- Fix 3d hitboxes to 2d only

alot of shit but i think it would be perfect with these changes

one last thing: MAKE KANO BALL B,F4
 

Enenra

Go to hell.
Let MK9 burn in the NeatherRealm. NRS is done with Scorpion and friends until MK10, and we have to power through Injustice first.

I'm ready for something new, and here's to hoping Injustice is good and has Bane
 

Rathalos

Play Monster Hunter!
Oh ya, duh.

Try and touch up the females faces, Sonya is a little manish I can live with that, but Kitana second costume face is like a war crime.
Also, less slutty costumes all around, not really sure who you're trying to appeal too, sexy bodys with man faces has got to be a pretty niche demographic.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
UMK9 or mk10, things i would want:
- Everyone to have COMBOS, none of that noob saibot type nonsense
- Gravity on air hits like injustice
- Building meter: you cannot Activate a breaker mid combo, you have to wait until after (since people dont like breakers, which im 50/50 about)
- get rid of 50/50 grabs, its stupid people dont lie
- consistent pushback on strings
- Take freddy and kratos out (if umk9)
- Running!
- functioning training mode
- Non glitchy frame data
- Fix 3d hitboxes to 2d only

alot of shit but i think it would be perfect with these changes

one last thing: MAKE KANO BALL B,F4
dude... the breaker system is THE best meter management system in any fighting game I can think of. Why on EARTH would you take that away?

There is no running... that was dumb to start with. no one runs at someone two feet away. on a 2d plane.... having differnt dashes are fine.
Every fighting game has 50/50 grab breaks. The problem is that you can't break while blocking. That is the true problem.
 

Relaxedstate

PTH|RM Relaxedstate
The nice thing about NRS is they made their fighting game have a decent story mode. They could release a DLC expansion pack (like skyrim) which includes new story content!!! This would help sell a lot to the 3 million people who bought the game originally. It is also a great way to stuff about 5 more DLC characters and some game balancing patches in for more competitive enthused gamers :p Also, would extend it's EVO circuit life and hype the next release
PLEASE NRS UMK9 WOULD BE AMAZING!!!