Do you WANT a redo?

[CptXecution]

There's going to be a redo, like it or not. Once again you say this should be put to rest but you're making new threads about it?

Madzin has bowed out, he's probably going to get his prizes but he told pig if he won then it's up to Pig what to do with it. SOOO since the rules were broken and people lost unfairly...we're redoing it.

was that slow enough for you to understand?

 

[DJ L Toro]

There's going to be a redo, like it or not. Once again you say this should be put to rest but you're making new threads about it?

Madzin has bowed out, he's probably going to get his prizes but he told pig if he won then it's up to Pig what to do with it. SOOO since the rules were broken and people lost unfairly...we're redoing it.

was that slow enough for you to understand?

that's beyond retarded (pun intended) so you're going to have a redo with 3 people because noone else gives a shit and half of the people wont be able to commit to a specific date before mlg in time to get plane tickets/van/whatever anyway, and that's IF they have mk at the tournament anyway. fuck it, just give me my 10 bucks back then.
this thread was to prove that a redo shouldnt be done because, and i hate to frase it as reo did, you and piggy are just being crybabies. your justification is completely different than the one pig gave in the OP of the other thread. sorry buddy, you're not getting away with bullshitting me on the justification for another tourny.
by the way, the "slow enough" disrespect isnt helping your case. just makes you seem more childish.

 

[REO]

Many community members have voted that they wish to keep how it is and not perform a redo. To do otherwise is a slap in the face for Mizdan, who in my opinion will shit on all of you again regardless. This man has just done something that has not been done in the history for Mortal Komabat. Mizdan has combated and won a 1-9 disadvantage match-up over a top player in two sets. And let's be serious here, the main people who are voting for a redo are the same ones that got slapped by Mizdan and want another chance to win the tourney. This is unbelievable. Mizdan should be the one being sent to Dallas for winning this tournament for what he has accomplished alone, no one else.

 

[DJ L Toro]

Many community members have voted that they wish to keep how it is and not perform a redo. To do otherwise is a slap in the face for Mizdan, who in my opinion will shit on all of you again regardless. This man has just done something that has not been done in the history for Mortal Komabat. Mizdan has combated and won a 1-9 disadvantage match-up over a top player in two sets. And let's be serious here, the main people who are voting for a redo are the same ones that got slapped by Mizdan and want another chance to win the tourney. This is unbelievable. Mizdan should be the one being sent to Dallas for winning this tournament for what he has accomplished alone, no one else.

out of curiosity reo, did you vote? i couldnt decide whether or not to tag you because i didnt know if it would defeat the purpose...

 

[aj1701]

no madzin lost rd 1 on a no show, but he got there like 10 seconds late (literally pig said "ok, advance khao" and 2 chat posts later he's like im here, did i make it in time?"). you at least got the chance to fight reo. you lost, deal with it.
yeah dude i could tell you were affected by the connection (saw your play at comicpalooza, i was like wtf is krayzie doing? must be lagdrops), but yeah, i mean he felt the same lag supposedly, right?

No, he wasnt ten seconds late, he was like fifteen to twenty minutes late, iirc. And the lag from ca to ny is nothing compared to the lag between ca and germany, its be much worse.

Anyway, I'll defer to what pig wants to do. The purpose of the tourney was to help someone get to an offline tourney, not just to give someone $250. He knew that signing up as well, so I don't think he'd have a right to cry foul if he just wanted the cash. That is my opinion on the matter, but if pig decides not to redo id be ok with that too.

 

[bombrider]

There's going to be a redo, like it or not. Once again you say this should be put to rest but you're making new threads about it?

Madzin has bowed out, he's probably going to get his prizes but he told pig if he won then it's up to Pig what to do with it. SOOO since the rules were broken and people lost unfairly...we're redoing it.

was that slow enough for you to understand?

Dude, you seriously need to stop insulting people who have differing opinions than you. I think the only thing Toro is trying to do is show that there is an alternative solution than redoing the whole tournament (I'm not at all saying I agree with him). He actually brings up a lot of good points, and so do you actually. Try making arguments without insulting someone who has an opinion different than you. You have clearly shown you are intelligent enough to do so. When you insult people the way you do, you are only hurting your own argument and inciting flame wars. You are a moderator, so you should be someone others can look towards as an example of how to behave in this community.

 

[Krayzie]

no, how did he not win the tournament fair and square? he didnt drop 2 sets means he won. he didnt cheat means far and square. he won grand finals means he won the tournament. won +the tournament +fair and square=?
you lost to reo and madzin. reo = 1 loss + madzin = 1 loss =2 losses double elimination.
sure you didnt break the rules either, but you had a chance to overcome a cheater. whether it's a ghost, reo, or the grim reaper if you're playing against them you have a chance to win. whether or not you do is a different question.
the purpose of this thread is that if enough peoplevote no i'll plead with pig, cpt, and hatake (who has remained silent, interestingly enough) not to do it again. so far it's 11-3 against doing it, so we can see, at a basic level, that doing a redo would be counterproductive. if the redo is just for funsies that's fine, but if there's going to be money in the discussion it's not ok.
either way if they do it, good luck. im hoping they dont though

Its a tournament, if a rule was broken thats where it stops being fair.

And thanks, but I'm not participating in the tournament. I just feel bad for everybody else in the bracket.

 

[DJ L Toro]

No, he wasnt ten seconds late, he was like fifteen to twenty minutes late, iirc. And the lag from ca to ny is nothing compared to the lag between ca and germany, its be much worse.

Anyway, I'll defer to what pig wants to do. The purpose of the tourney was to help someone get to an offline tourney, not just to give someone $250. He knew that signing up as well, so I don't think he'd have a right to cry foul if he just wanted the cash. That is my opinion on the matter, but if pig decides not to redo id be ok with that too.

you're right he was later than that, i mean he got there right after pig called it, which was like at 10 (match was supposed to start at 930).

 

[REO]

out of curiosity reo, did you vote? i couldnt decide whether or not to tag you because i didnt know if it would defeat the purpose...

I voted "No, dont redo it" for the simple fact that this dude is on a level beyond the US players. I could completely understand if Mizdan went 3-2 with players and had matches that were down to the wire, back to back counter-picking, and close calls, but they weren't. And to top it off, Mizdan wasn't even tier whoring. He was using one of the worst characters in this game and pushing people's shit in like it was nothing. There is a reason why no one could beat him, including me.

 

[Lulzlou]

I honestly don't care if there is a redo or not

I can't even decide if I want to compete again or not if it happens. Online as a whole has been really shitty lately. I don't have anyone to play with regularly that has a consistent good connection with me. So many players lacking respect and abusing online bullshit when I'm there to learn mu's. Since I can't level up anymore from it whats the point in playing online still?

 

[Faded Dreams V]

Not for nothing, but why are some people acting like REO cheated in his IN-GAME matches? Sure, he wasn't supposed to enter the tournament at all, but he beat his opponents fair and square. There was no "single elimination." No offense, but instead of complaining over losing to this guy, and crying for a redo, level up so you can actually beat him online--you know, which he hardly even plays--like Madzin did. Abuse the lag. Who gives a fuck. It's online. You knew what you were getting yourself into. Hell, REO did. The minute he saw his opponent pick Reptile, he switched to Mileena, who has both MU and lag advantage, but he still lost.

Mind you, I'd understand wholeheartedly if REO had won the entire tournament, but he didn't. Madzin not only won this tournament, but beat the guy every other top player lost to...twice. If REO went 0-2 or 1-2, nobody would be complaining about a rule being broken, so don't give me that "Rules are rules. We must redo" nonsense. Hell, if this occurred, many of you would be laughing at and mocking him.

I'm sorry if this comes off the wrong way, but I just don't see how it's unfair that people had to play against big bad REO. You'll have to play him at Dallas anyways. It's like everyone expected a big handicap. Well, you didn't get it, but Madzin didn't either, and he won anyways. If anything, HE should be the one to decide whether a redo is necessary or not.

Case in point, this is being blown out of proportion when it's blatantly obvious Madzin should be compensated OR choose who goes to Dallas in his place. You lost to REO? Well, he didn't. Think he had a lag advantage? Next time, flip up your own lag switch. This is online. It's a noble cause--and one that, as a pseudo-community member, I appreciate--to try to send new blood to offline tournaments by hosting an online one that bans anyone who has made Top 16-8 in majors before, but this is just preparing them for long term disappointment.

Again, I apologize if this seems harsh, but it's just my opinion.

 

[xKhaoTik]

Honestly, it's whatever in my book.

People like Krayzie and I basically got eliminated once, and the other elimination was done illegally. Yea it sucks, but this was an ONLINE tournament and shit does happen. We have no way of making sure it is actually us behind the controller. Also, we have to fight reo offline aat tournaments anyways, so we shouldn't act like he needs to be avoided online.


The whole lag thing. Yes, Reo and Madzin did have horrible connection, but again, this is ONLINE. We knew from day one how bad the netcode is, and yet we still play the game online, despite all the complaining about the netcode. Participating in this tourny, we knew that lag was going to be an issue, yet we still gave our $10, and even tho some battles were heavily hurt due to lag, it cannot be helped since lag is inevitable online.

In the case of Madzin, I have nothing but respect for him and I give him full props, lag or no lag, German or not German. He came all the way from losers, bodied everyone until he reached Grand Finals, and then beats Reo, twice, with NOOB. Incredible. My only thing is, this tournament was held so the winner can use the Money to attend Dallas. Madzin said he isn't going to Dallas and that he is giving the money to someone else in Germany. $250 is not enough for a flight from Germany to Dallas so I really don't see how the money would help him in a sense. If it were up to me, I would say he should get the Razr prices and that's it, but after his iincredible performance, I wouldn't be upset if he got the entire prize.

If pig decides to redo the tournament, cool. If pig decides to give the prize to Madzin, cool. Its honestly whatever to me at this point...

 

[YOMI Reno_Racks]

Hey

@STB Espio
@xKhaoTikx
@Madzin (sorry for calling you madlib bro, i suck with names)
@CRUM
@Blund_Man_88
@TylerLantern
@SINH3LL
@XxV1p3rxX
@Mr_SI3go
@Krayzie
@Impactinfinity
@BlackBryan
@Lulzlou
@Chris_Friday
@BODYBAG-DTONESRC
@Mosp
@Sonya Blake
@MalcolmX
@sunky21
@Trepound
@B W1zZ
@BODYBAG-VINLOKO
@aj1701​

If you guys approve I would like to put up the $250 pot myself and do a redo of the entire tournament. If Madzin wants to keep the money he earned he should but then all the other players in the tournament who want to have a fair shot will have no money to compete for. So the money's gotta come from somewhere, might as well be me. Plus I think it would be pretty awesome to see what would have happened if Reo had not played last night. IMO this time the tourney should be region locked even though I would love to see Madzin's godlike Noob do some work again. You guys speak on this and as soon as Pig gives me the go ahead I will pay Hatake Osawa and they can reorganize this thing. On a side note I want to see Dink's Baraka and Madzin's Noob duke it out in a "Battle of the Godlike Low tiers", that shit would be great.​

 

[xKhaoTik]

Hey

@STB Espio
@xKhaoTikx
@Madzin (sorry for calling you madlib bro, i suck with names)
@CRUM
@Blund_Man_88
@TylerLantern
@SINH3LL
@XxV1p3rxX
@Mr_SI3go
@Krayzie
@Impactinfinity
@BlackBryan
@Lulzlou
@Chris_Friday
@BODYBAG-DTONESRC
@Mosp
@Sonya Blake
@MalcolmX
@sunky21
@Trepound
@B W1zZ
@BODYBAG-VINLOKO
@aj1701​

If you guys approve I would like to put up the $250 pot myself and do a redo of the entire tournament. If Madzin wants to keep the money he earned he should but then all the other players in the tournament who want to have a fair shot will have no money to compete for. So the money's gotta come from somewhere, might as well be me. Plus I think it would be pretty awesome to see what would have happened if Reo had not played last night. IMO this time the tourney should be region locked even though I would love to see Madzin's godlike Noob do some work again. You guys speak on this and as soon as Pig gives me the go ahead I will pay Hatake Osawa and they can reorganize this thing. On a side note I want to see Dink's Baraka and Madzin's Noob duke it out in a "Battle of the Godlike Low tiers", that shit would be great.​

OMG dude, would you really do this? Its exciting but at the same time, i would feel so bad that it actually came down to this

 

[Espio]

Are you sure Reno_Racks that is a very gracious and kind offer to give to everyone of us....wow that's crazy.

As generous as this is, I would feel bad, real talk.

 

[DJ L Toro]

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I know you didnt tag me, but i just want to say that's really admirable, real talk.

 

[jamessmk]

So 75% asks for no redo. The community has spoken in my opinion.

 

[YOMI Reno_Racks]

OMG dude, would you really do this? Its exciting but at the same time, i would feel so bad that it actually came down to this

Are you sure Reno_Racks that is a very gracious and kind offer to give to everyone of us....wow that's crazy.

As generous as this is, I would feel bad, real talk.

None of you need to feel bad. I feel like this was another blow to the community's moral and I just want to try and make it right. The thought of this thing going down again and someone actually winning MLG trip money after what happened makes me smile deep down in my soul. Let's do this shit.

 

[YOMI Reno_Racks]

So 75% asks for no redo. The community has spoken in my opinion.

I know you didnt tag me, but i just want to say that's really admirable, real talk.

Let's post another poll saying if the pot money was put back up to help somebody actually go to MLG would everyone want a redo. I think the original poll was really asking if Madzin deserves his money and I'm very glad 75 percent said yes because he does. However the intent of the tourney was for someone to be aided in going to MLG and that hasn't happened. If majority rules in the next poll in favor of a redo I will fund it.

 

[DJ L Toro]

Let's post another poll saying if the pot money was put back up to help somebody actually go to MLG would everyone want a redo. I think the original poll was really asking if Madzin deserves his money and I'm very glad 75 percent said yes because he does. However the intent of the tourney was for someone to be aided in going to MLG and that hasn't happened. If majority rules in the next poll in favor of a redo I will fund it.

Lets wait till tomorrow to see what pig is going to say. he might have something like this already in mind and that might be a better time to bring that to his attention. Until then though, i'll tag Pig Of The Hut Hatake Osawa. Pig and hatake, please look at Reno_Racks's offer in his last few posts. This may be a good alternative to a strait up run back because it seems that people dont want to do that (the results of the present poll). I have recieved many indications that certain individuals who did well in the original tournament have no intention in participating in a redo, so if this course is taken please address it as not a redo but A NEW TOURNAMENT open primarily to those in the original that want a second chance, and then (assuming Reno_Racks checks off on this part) the rest of the spots to be filled by means to be determined between you and him.

 

[Son ov Timett]

Hey

If you guys approve I would like to put up the $250 pot myself and do a redo of the entire tournament. If Madzin wants to keep the money he earned he should but then all the other players in the tournament who want to have a fair shot will have no money to compete for. So the money's gotta come from somewhere, might as well be me. Plus I think it would be pretty awesome to see what would have happened if Reo had not played last night. IMO this time the tourney should be region locked even though I would love to see Madzin's godlike Noob do some work again. You guys speak on this and as soon as Pig gives me the go ahead I will pay Hatake Osawa and they can reorganize this thing. On a side note I want to see Dink's Baraka and Madzin's Noob duke it out in a "Battle of the Godlike Low tiers", that shit would be great.​

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Quite generous Reno_Racks,

I'll donate an additional $100 to the redux. Now everyone sit in a circle and sing kumbaya.

 

[YOMI Reno_Racks]

​

Quite generous Reno_Racks,

I'll donate an additional $100 to the redux. Now everyone sit in a circle and sing kumbaya.

Holy shit man, that's friggin awesome. A $350 tournament to replace the old one, f$cking epic. This is good stuff.

 

[YOMI Reno_Racks]

Lets wait till tomorrow to see what pig is going to say. he might have something like this already in mind and that might be a better time to bring that to his attention. Until then though, i'll tag Pig Of The Hut Hatake Osawa. Pig and hatake, please look at Reno_Racks's offer in his last few posts. This may be a good alternative to a strait up run back because it seems that people dont want to do that (the results of the present poll). I have recieved many indications that certain individuals who did well in the original tournament have no intention in participating in a redo, so if this course is taken please address it as not a redo but A NEW TOURNAMENT open primarily to those in the original that want a second chance, and then (assuming Reno_Racks checks off on this part) the rest of the spots to be filled by means to be determined between you and him.

Sounds like a plan pimp.

 

[killa_solid]

Sounds like a plan pimp.

Wow this is very nice of you two Reno_Racks Son ov Timett. Although I wasn't in this tourney, I am sure everyone who was would really appreciate it. It makes me happy to see people like you two are in this community. TBH I was hoping Reo and marvaz would step up and do something like this to make up for the mess they made.

 

[Lulzlou]

Reno_Racks
Don't wait for pig if you are really down to do this. You are throwing in 250$ so you should host it. I don't see why you can't do it yourself. We can have the people that actually care help organize it. You made me motivated to play in an online tournament again. People like you keep me going, even though my threads/posts usually get ignored. Having another shot because another member of the community wants to support it will inspire me to play.

I'll be one of those people to help you organize it. I really want to go to mlg but probably wont make it because of money issues. I'll support this 100%