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Mortal Kombat (2011) Matchup Chart

salvificblood

Worst Sub-Zero Ever
Why is Kitana raping so much... :taz:

She went from being considered mid tier to now close to super character. Plus, isn't she Kung Lao's only bad matchup?
 
How about putting up on the first page the order of characters? Like 1-28ect. Then you can adjust as you change the chart. Just for an easier look.
 

shoshinsha

Apprentice
I'm not sure I understand some of Smoke's numbers, and I wonder if he doesn't need some re-evaluation based on Evo and such, as well. For example, he seems to nullify a lot of both Kitana's and Sub's advantages with Shake, and projectile trades with them tend to work in his favor, as well. Against Nightwolf, his projectile isn't reflectable and he's so mobile that a lot of lightning shenanigans can't get started. Also, I don't know a lot about this particular matchup, but can anyone explain to me specifically what advantages Reptile has over him? Cheers!
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
How about putting up on the first page the order of characters? Like 1-28ect. Then you can adjust as you change the chart. Just for an easier look.
Good idea. I wanted to change around the order of the characters based on their rank, buuuuut Konqrr's formulas kill that idea. -_-

It'll have to wait until all the numbers are filled in.
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
I'm really curious as to the Kenshi discussion myself

And is Scarlet considered the best now? I remember all her matchups being 6-4 and some 7-3, and even tom was insisting 8-2 vs SZ
 

Robotic

Gentleman.
Good idea. I wanted to change around the order of the characters based on their rank, buuuuut Konqrr's formulas kill that idea. -_-

It'll have to wait until all the numbers are filled in.
Couple questions: Are the matchups gonna be corrected? What criteria will be used for the corrections if they happen? Example: Kung Lao losing to Mileena 4-6 seems sketchy to say the least.
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
A lot of the numbers are not only taken from this discussion, but from top level players. A number of the Kung Lao numbers are actually straight from Perfect Legend.
 

Konqrr

MK11 Kabal = MK9 Kitana
I'm not sure I understand some of Smoke's numbers, and I wonder if he doesn't need some re-evaluation based on Evo and such, as well. For example, he seems to nullify a lot of both Kitana's and Sub's advantages with Shake, and projectile trades with them tend to work in his favor, as well. Against Nightwolf, his projectile isn't reflectable and he's so mobile that a lot of lightning shenanigans can't get started. Also, I don't know a lot about this particular matchup, but can anyone explain to me specifically what advantages Reptile has over him? Cheers!
Smoke vs Kitana has nothing to do with fans. She beats him without them. Three of her other specials beat Shake.
 

Robotic

Gentleman.
A lot of the numbers are not only taken from this discussion, but from top level players. A number of the Kung Lao numbers are actually straight from Perfect Legend.
Can't get too much higher than PL for Kung Lao authority. Did he also supply the Mileena matchup?
 

shoshinsha

Apprentice
Smoke vs Kitana has nothing to do with fans. She beats him without them. Three of her other specials beat Shake.
Yeah, I understand that. But my experience both playing and watching has always been that Smoke is most successful keeping range between himself and the opponent until he lands something juicy (smoke bomb, shake, teleport, etc.). I think Kitana has a tough time pinning a good Smoke down, and if he stays at range, it puts the onus on her to spend the match trying to get in, since her fans are risky at best. Not saying the numbers are definitely wrong, since I totally defer to your experience. Just trying to get things reexamined for quality.
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
Night wolf vs kabal Is 6-4 kabal. Kabal can shoot iaf fast enough so that they disappear before contact making reflect useless. With out meter that match is toast...You might as well be fighting cage. Check out me and michaelangelos money match if you want to see what I'm talking about. Lol I learned a ton.

Nightwolf vs kung Lao is 6-4 also...not 7-3. Not even close.
 

shoshinsha

Apprentice
Night wolf vs kabal Is 6-4 kabal. Kabal can shoot iaf fast enough so that they disappear before contact making reflect useless. With out meter that match is toast...You might as well be fighting cage. Check out me and michaelangelos money match if you want to see what I'm talking about. Lol I learned a ton.

Nightwolf vs kung Lao is 6-4 also...not 7-3. Not even close.
I'd like to see that money match. Where can I find it?
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
Couple questions: Are the matchups gonna be corrected? What criteria will be used for the corrections if they happen? Example: Kung Lao losing to Mileena 4-6 seems sketchy to say the least.
I still believe Mileena beats KL 6-4. Remember, you have to assume in tiers both chars are playing perfect. Mileena's tools are more than enough to beat KL
 

Konqrr

MK11 Kabal = MK9 Kitana
A lot of the numbers are not only taken from this discussion, but from top level players. A number of the Kung Lao numbers are actually straight from Perfect Legend.
This is how it should be done. I saw a lot of the numbers changed for Lao and Raiden. Good stuff.

Where is Sektroll to finish the Sektor numbers?

Where is Digi or NoDoubt to finish the Sheeva numbers?

etc.
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
This is how it should be done. I saw a lot of the numbers changed for Lao and Raiden. Good stuff.

Where is Sektroll to finish the Sektor numbers?

Where is Digi or NoDoubt to finish the Sheeva numbers?

etc.
I guess we also then as a community need to decide who's the top whatever for each char? For example, Michelangelo and Online Tony are obviously the best 2 kabals but what if they disagree on something?

Or am I just totally overthinking this lol?
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
Konqerr...I really want to watch the footage of out match. I don't know if anyone recorded it but if they did and you know of it, could you pm it to me?
 

SZSR

Champion
I'm curious how is Smoke even with Baraka? He completely shut him down just by zoning, the only things he has are Spark, Blade Charge and his X-ray. Smoke has good advantages against much of the cast.
 

Konqrr

MK11 Kabal = MK9 Kitana
Konqerr...I really want to watch the footage of out match. I don't know if anyone recorded it but if they did and you know of it, could you pm it to me?
If someone did record it and I find it, I will let you know.

I'm curious how is Smoke even with Baraka? He completely shut him down just by zoning, the only things he has are Spark, Blade Charge and his X-ray. Smoke has good advantages against much of the cast.
I would imagine that it's not a terrible matchup for Baraka. He can play footsies just like Sub-Zero where he can do a blade dash on reaction to a smoke bomb which moves him forward away from the smoke bomb and hits Smoke. But getting and staying in that range is what would be very difficult for Baraka.

@THTB, There was an error on the Raiden vs NW matchup in the formulas that made it a 6-6 matchup LOL ... I fixed the formula and now it shows 4-6 for NW. That doesn't seem right to me, is it the other way around? I left it as is.
 

NoDoubt

nasty
hey konQRR add me on xbox, ur list is full. my account got jacked somehow so had 2 get a new one: NO DOUB7
 

shoshinsha

Apprentice
I'm curious how is Smoke even with Baraka? He completely shut him down just by zoning, the only things he has are Spark, Blade Charge and his X-ray. Smoke has good advantages against much of the cast.
This is the kind of thing I was talking about. Looking at Smoke's numbers, he seems to be rated as though some online scrub were playing him. I really think he at least needs major reevaluation. Anyone know how to get ahold of Aris for a... um... consult?
 

SZSR

Champion
This is the kind of thing I was talking about. Looking at Smoke's numbers, he seems to be rated as though some online scrub were playing him. I really think he at least needs major reevaluation. Anyone know how to get ahold of Aris for a... um... consult?
While I do like Konqrr reasoning (he's a matchup expert from what i've seen, so I am hard-pressed to doubt his logic) i'm having that same feeling too. He should have more 7's than just Sheeva imo. And personally some 4's should really be 5's and vice versa.
 

Konqrr

MK11 Kabal = MK9 Kitana
I'm curious how is Smoke even with Baraka? He completely shut him down just by zoning, the only things he has are Spark, Blade Charge and his X-ray. Smoke has good advantages against much of the cast.
Why does everyone bring matchups down to special moves only? :bad:

Let's get the list done then we can discuss specific matchups ^_^
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
Can't get too much higher than PL for Kung Lao authority. Did he also supply the Mileena matchup?
Yep. Kitana, Mileena, and Kabal numbers are from him. Reptile's numbers are from me, Quan numbers are REO, Kitana's done by Konqrr, so on and so forth. Hopefully we can get guys like CD, CDjr, Trophy, Slips, etc, to comment on matchups (Unless they did at some point and we never punched in numbers).

Konqrr, it should be in favor of Raiden. I fixed it.