DRS|MCZ KevoDaMan Wins Mortal Kombat 9 at Road to Evo Event 2012, UFGT8!

[DetroitBalln]

50/50 safe mix ups

His 50/50 mix ups are not safe.

 

[Slips]

Steak & Shake was legendary. "Excuse me, this is important"

"Sir, you look so grumpy is there anything I can do to make your life better?"

"Armor"

Legendary indeed.

 

[DetroitBalln]

Proposed answers to kabal: skarlet

I've been saying this since September. Lets see what happens in the future.

 

[BigMilk]

skarlet will suffice too lol

 

[Under_The_Mayo]

Look at history man

Look at sf2, sf 4, ae, tekken, umk3

etc

I don't think that's necessarily the case with SF4. And certainly not with the Marvel games. But those are the big boys. They stay around no matter what. Tekken died. Umk3 of course is a legacy but come on. I'm not saying it's something to rage about. But all the top players jumping to the same character WILL kill this particular game. A series that has so much love for it because of our nostalgia and individual love for all the characters we grew up with, boiled down to a single character. It is what it is, if it comes down to that. It just really sucks that's all. It'll be the worst thing for the game and the community.

 

[BS3OOO]

I don't think that's necessarily the case with SF4. And certainly not with the Marvel games. But those are the big boys. They stay around no matter what. Tekken died. Umk3 of course is a legacy but come on. I'm not saying it's something to rage about. But all the top players jumping to the same character WILL kill this particular game. A series that has so much love for it because of our nostalgia and individual love for all the characters we grew up with, boiled down to a single character. It is what it is, if it comes down to that. It just really sucks that's all. It'll be the worst thing for the game and the community.

Yeah it'll be depressing to see.

 

[STB Bodam]

Over/under on how many Twizzlers were consumed by Kevo before fighting Pig of the Hut? I know Kevo LOVES him some Twizzlers.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

His 50/50 mix ups are not safe.

Can I punish f3 2 overhead throw? With what?

I can't punish f3 2 saw cause of the ex dash FT or ex armor cancel

 

[DownfouralitY]

I don't think that's necessarily the case with SF4. And certainly not with the Marvel games. But those are the big boys. They stay around no matter what. Tekken died. Umk3 of course is a legacy but come on. I'm not saying it's something to rage about. But all the top players jumping to the same character WILL kill this particular game. A series that has so much love for it because of our nostalgia and individual love for all the characters we grew up with, boiled down to a single character. It is what it is, if it comes down to that. It just really sucks that's all. It'll be the worst thing for the game and the community.

Quoted for fucking truth. OG Kabals ftw

 

[Cat]

Idk man

Maybe Lao for me

I will say I'd prefer picking up kabal knowing I get to counter pOke anything w f4 into dash cancel pressure 50/50 safe mix ups into frame traps

Again all because someone tried to poke me

Kabal is f ing god in Mk 9

Mileena off a counter pOke can be +2 on hit into a 14 frame starter that gets blown the f up

Or I could throw ? Nope

B3 ? Nope

Jump over pressure? Negative

Mil vs kabal is a slot machine
Proposed answers to kabal: skarlet reptile Lao or a UK rain

His 50/50s can be punished by many char. Ppl just don't do it. And using f4 with kabal = easy escape for the opponent.Not to mention f4 into overhead can be jabbed in between and easily punished. I think skarlett is great against him. Just because her armor wins all the time against kabals armor and the double dagger projectile can beat my ex dash. And she also builds meter so fast so she can always be ready for kabal. Also sektor is very good because of that 6 frame jab everytime I do a ndc he can check me and make me block Cus he will jab.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

His 50/50s can be punished by many char. Ppl just don't do it. And using f4 with kabal = easy escape for the opponent.Not to mention f4 into overhead can be jabbed in between and easily punished. I think skarlett is great against him. Just because her armor wins all the time against kabals armor and the double dagger projectile can beat my ex dash. And she also builds meter so fast so she can always be ready for kabal. Also sektor is very good because of that 6 frame jab everytime I do a ndc he can check me and make me block Cus he will jab.

To my knowledge mileena cannot punish in any way his 50/50s

I hope im wrong, I imagine raiden and reptile can punish them. Ill look into this hardcore this week

I can see sektor and skarlet being solid answers

thanks

 

[THTB]

Those saying Kabal's 50/50s aren't safe, buzzsaw is only -12 on block with pushback, and overhead is only 3 frames less punishable. So that's already only a couple characters capable of reliable punishes.

I use Reptile and it's extremely difficult to dash it. You basically get away with slaps on the wrist.

 

[M2Dave]

LOL @ Skarlet beating Kabal. She is going to get zoned all day. If you think you will armor through his projectiles on reaction, you are a fool.

 

[Blackula]

His 50/50s can be punished by many char. Ppl just don't do it. And using f4 with kabal = easy escape for the opponent.Not to mention f4 into overhead can be jabbed in between and easily punished. I think skarlett is great against him. Just because her armor wins all the time against kabals armor and the double dagger projectile can beat my ex dash. And she also builds meter so fast so she can always be ready for kabal. Also sektor is very good because of that 6 frame jab everytime I do a ndc he can check me and make me block Cus he will jab.

For a while I've considered using Skarlet against Kabal. I'd need to play the matchup more though before I'm comfortable with it.

 

[Skkra]

Kabal is so boring to watch nowadays. It was entertaining at first. Now, as we've seen more and more that that character is just ridiculously overpowered, it's become unfun to watch.

His current state feels bad for the game. He builds meter like crazy. He arguably has the best zoning AND the best rushdown in the game, or damn near it.

 

[Evil_Riu48]

@Pig Of The Hut congratulation in the tourney good showing

@DetroitBalln Cat

lets relook at kabal's frame data

tornato slam is -9 on block and has a lot of push back making it impossible to punish by normal attacks. . . only a fast special can punish it and only 3 characters ( cage, reptile, kenshi) have a fast special to do it. . . and of the 3 characters only one can try to punish without having to take the risk of missing the 2 frame window to punish it and having their unsafe fast special block and punish with a full combo by kabal and that is kenshi

buzzsaw is -12 on block which should make it punishble by fast normals but it is not as easy as it sound becuase duck block then do a short dash ( most of the time) and again do it in a window of 2 frames with a lot of characters faster normals been 10 frames which is much better than what many characters

the buzzsa , tornado slam is more than a fairly safe mixup tornado been 100% vs 98% of the cash and buzzsaw been fairly safe and very safe from sweep distance

 

[Under_The_Mayo]

@Pig Of The Hut congratulation in the tourney good showing

@DetroitBalln Cat

lets relook at kabal's frame data

tornato slam is -9 on block and has a lot of push back making it impossible to punish by normal attacks. . . only a fast special can punish it and only 3 characters ( cage, reptile, kenshi) have a fast special to do it. . . and of the 3 characters only one can try to punish without having to take the risk of missing the 2 frame window to punish it and having their unsafe fast special block and punish with a full combo by kabal and that is kenshi

buzzsaw is -12 on block which should make it punishble by fast normals but it is not as easy as it sound becuase duck block then do a short dash ( most of the time) and again do it in a window of 2 frames with a lot of characters faster normals been 10 frames which is much better than what many characters

the buzzsa , tornado slam is more than a fairly safe mixup tornado been 100% vs 98% of the cash and buzzsaw been fairly safe and very safe from sweep distance

Kenshi`s spirit charge cant hit kabal after the overhead. The distance is too far for it to hit before he can block. Saw, occasionally will hit.

 

[Pound IC]

Wait till you hear all the Steak n shake stories

Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Those 2 hours were better than the tourney for me lol

Awesome, can't wait. Will definitely be a bittersweet last podcast.

Also, meant to say congrats on a great tourney Pig. You deserve to win a major so I'll be cheering for your Kabal

 

[Cat]

@Pig Of The Hut congratulation in the tourney good showing

@DetroitBalln Cat

lets relook at kabal's frame data

tornato slam is -9 on block and has a lot of push back making it impossible to punish by normal attacks. . . only a fast special can punish it and only 3 characters ( cage, reptile, kenshi) have a fast special to do it. . . and of the 3 characters only one can try to punish without having to take the risk of missing the 2 frame window to punish it and having their unsafe fast special block and punish with a full combo by kabal and that is kenshi

buzzsaw is -12 on block which should make it punishble by fast normals but it is not as easy as it sound becuase duck block then do a short dash ( most of the time) and again do it in a window of 2 frames with a lot of characters faster normals been 10 frames which is much better than what many characters

the buzzsa , tornado slam is more than a fairly safe mixup tornado been 100% vs 98% of the cash and buzzsaw been fairly safe and very safe from sweep distance

sektor can punish them both. cage can also do his flash kick (not ex) to punish a saw on block as well. ppl also need to take advantage of the advantage and dash up and do pressure when they block those moves.. yeah some are not easy to punish, but its possible

 

[Cat]

LOL @ Skarlet beating Kabal. She is going to get zoned all day. If you think you will armor through his projectiles on reaction, you are a fool.

its not easy to zone her because when she throws daggers she lowers her hitbox a lil making the iagb wiff over her head. and once she tags you with a projectile she can slide in and knock you down. also using ex slide is a easy safe way to get in on kabal

 

[M2Dave]

its not easy to zone her because when she throws daggers she lowers her hitbox a lil making the iagb wiff over her head. and once she tags you with a projectile she can slide in and knock you down. also using ex slide is a easy safe way to get in on kabal

Well-timed iaGBs still hit her doing dagger cancels. Even if the Kabal player is not perfect, why does he care? An iaGB does 9% of damage. A dagger does 2%. Not to mention, Kabal has also access to the fastest low projectile in the game.

EX slide does 8% of damage. If the Skarlet player wants to waste a bar for 8% of damage, I am happy if I am using Kabal.