Who is the better tournament character?

[Death]

Alright guys Skarlet is better. Thats why you always see Skarlet players placing well in tournaments.

 

[Eddy Wang]

when she gets started she is a bitch yes, but she doesnt have that kind of thing like sonya where people have to respect her redicilously much because of cartwheel and dive kick, and her normals are incredibly fast and she can start offense off of a simple d4. does skarlet have that bullshit? somebody tell me

Skarlet also can start her offensive by a simple d4, f4, 6 frames d1, d3.

almost anything she hits can lead to offensive

 

[Mr. Mileena]

Skarlet is good, but imo, noone knows how to fight that ho.

So that's an added bonus, but even then, she isn't better than Sonya, Or Kitana for that matter.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Uh, where's the Sheeva option?! DUH!


I dunno, man. Sonya's ridiculous. She can put you into her bnb for poking...not to mention how versatile she is. Stupid good recovery on her pew pew lasers, builds meter easily, probably has the best armor in the game, constant pressure/mixups, ends her bnbs in a reset (like Cage). 7 frame standing 1, 6 frame d1, Etc. If Sonya isn't a top 5 then I don't know who the hell is.

skarlet is...duh

when she gets started she is a bitch yes, but she doesnt have that kind of thing like sonya where people have to respect her redicilously much because of cartwheel and dive kick, and her normals are incredibly fast and she can start offense off of a simple d4. does skarlet have that bullshit? somebody tell me

eh cartwheel can be beaten by eh red dash and vise versa. eh red dash starts just as fast as cartwheel does and leads to more damage...does it deserve respect? yes and it travels farther than cartwheel so it actually should deserve MORE respect. it is technically the better move just more unsafe. if used right it is deadly. just because sektors iat is unsafe does it make it bad?

dear sir, what are these holes youre talking about

dive kick is great but that can be baited like KL spin. It also cant work if sonya is getting zoned out. d4 is also good but I think d4 ms f1 can be armored through with eh red dash b2 for HUGE damage. maybe @aninj knows if that is possible.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Alright guys Skarlet is better. Thats why you always see Skarlet players placing well in tournaments.

give it time man. no one is playing her wide spread like sonya. she isnt as popular, she is harder to use, and she has a high learning curve.

there are only 2-3 kabal players that place consistently with him. really just 1 who dominates the scene. its hard to be on reos level period...so let skarlet players have the time they need to get there game down...I for one plan on taking her to a new level and I think very soon some one will make a splash with her.

 

[crosstalk]

Isn't Sonya's dive kick relatively safe on block if it hits low enough?

 

[Death]

give it time man. no one is playing her wide spread like sonya. she isnt as popular, she is harder to use, and she has a high learning curve.

there are only 2-3 kabal players that place consistently with him. really just 1 who dominates the scene. its hard to be on reos level period...so let skarlet players have the time they need to get there game down...I for one plan on taking her to a new level and I think very soon some one will make a splash with her.

I hope to see it man. Skarlet looks like a great character and I look forward to watching you play her on streams.

 

[Eddy Wang]

If they MS on Skarlet they will have to keep Crimsom dash in check, and to punish that, only with En Cartwheel.

 

[Big Pampering]

skarlet is...duh


eh cartwheel can be beaten by eh red dash and vise versa. eh red dash starts just as fast as cartwheel does and leads to more damage...does it deserve respect? yes and it travels farther than cartwheel so it actually should deserve MORE respect. it is technically the better move just more unsafe. if used right it is deadly. just because sektors iat is unsafe does it make it bad?


dive kick is great but that can be baited like KL spin. It also cant work if sonya is getting zoned out. d4 is also good but I think d4 ms f1 can be armored through with eh red dash b2 for HUGE damage. maybe @aninj knows if that is possible.

Thanks man, but the difference with sonya is that the dive kick makes you afraid to anti air, the safeness is imo more scary because people will abuse it.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Thanks man, but the difference with sonya is that the dive kick makes you afraid to anti air, the safeness is imo more scary because people will abuse it.

i understand...but with down dagger you cant AA skarlet either. even if you block the down dagger and go for a punish(is is at negative I think), she can activate eh rd before you can touch her and she gets 40% into reset.

just saying

edit: if i block a dive kick i get 40...and sometimes i will get the AA, sometimes.

 

[Ninj]

[quote="L0rdoftheFLY
dive kick is great but that can be baited like KL spin. It also cant work if sonya is getting zoned out. d4 is also good but I think d4 ms f1 can be armored through with eh red dash b2 for HUGE damage. maybe @aninj knows if that is possible.[/quote]

All you need is love. I mean, 2 frames - armor becomes active on 2nd frame, which I believe is true for all armored specials?

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[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

[quote="L0rdoftheFLY
dive kick is great but that can be baited like KL spin. It also cant work if sonya is getting zoned out. d4 is also good but I think d4 ms f1 can be armored through with eh red dash b2 for HUGE damage. maybe @aninj knows if that is possible.

whats the window between d4 and ms f1? maybe on blocked d4 but not hit d4 right?

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Wow the quoting in the last two quotes turned into a bloody mess.



See I kept that on topic.

 

[THTB]

dear sir, what are these holes youre talking about

Sonya lacks range on some important aspects. Her jab being stubby can be problematic, and she is forced to enter MS to gain any sort of range on an advancing normal. Including MS startup itself, nothing in it comes out faster than 18 frames. Her d4 has nice range, but it's not something that advances her. This hampers her punishment and footsies really, IMO, because it forces her to do stuff like dash d4 or JP/divekick mixups to get things going. Granted, these are still good options, but as time goes on, this shit will only get you so far, I feel.

I don't think she sucks. She's still good. But top 5? Later on in the game's life span, I can see her falling out of it completely.

 

[Ninj]

whats the window between d4 and ms f1? maybe on blocked d4 but not hit d4 right?

For Sonya:
D4 cancel advantage on block is +26
on hit cancel advantage is +25 vs crouch +32 vs standing.

Here's execution of Military stance:
Military Stance (startup) - 10
1 - 11
1+3 - 12
2 - 16
3 - 8
4 - 8
B+2 - 14
B+4 - 12
F+1 - 15

 

[Ninj]

Come to the tournament this weekend http://testyourmight.com/threads/may-6-2012-new-challengers-ranbat-series-to-evo-2012-ae-umvc3-kof13-stratford-ct.16619/

I'll be doing Tough Mudder in Vermont on that date.

 

[MK Peanuts]

I'll be doing Tough Mudder in Vermont on that date.

Okay this is getting ridiculous. You can't possibly have plans every single time there's a tournament or a casuals session.

Also, you said you couldn't make the meetup yesterday because you'd be in Vermont, except we saw you log into XBox live? What's that about?

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

For Sonya:
D4 cancel advantage on block is +26
on hit cancel advantage is +25 vs crouch +32 vs standing.

Here's execution of Military stance:
Military Stance (startup) - 10
1 - 11
1+3 - 12
2 - 16
3 - 8
4 - 8
B+2 - 14
B+4 - 12
F+1 - 15

interpretation please?
is this saying d4 cancel into ms gives her +26 on block...add up 10 for ms and 15 for f1 = 25 frames...so she is +1 the whole time? is that right?

 

[THTB]

interpretation please?
is this saying d4 cancel into ms gives her +26 on block...add up 10 for ms and 15 for f1 = 25 frames...so she is +1 the whole time? is that right?

Basically, it means d4 xx MSf1 is airtight, and cannot be avoided once d4 is blocked. You only have 2 frames for it to be airtight, though. On crouch hit, you only have 1 frame.

 

[IKizzLE]

Every character has holes in this game or they would be God tier.
Dude, Sonya's holes??
Out of all the characters in the game, her holes are by far the smallest.
If Sonya's holes are gonna keep her out top 5, in comparison, Sektor's craters better keep him out of top 10 discussion forever.

 

[Ninj]

Okay this is getting ridiculous. You can't possibly have plans every single time there's a tournament or a casuals session.

Also, you said you couldn't make the meetup yesterday because you'd be in Vermont, except we saw you log into XBox live? What's that about?

I don't remember saying I'll be in Vermont?...but I just got back from the Bahamas though and after 21 hours of travel I needed a break.

The issue is the 4-5 hour drives on Sundays. I promise it's not personal and I will try my best to make it down to a get together or tourny before Evo.

 

[Ninj]

interpretation please?
is this saying d4 cancel into ms gives her +26 on block...add up 10 for ms and 15 for f1 = 25 frames...so she is +1 the whole time? is that right?

That's the way I read it, yes.

 

[GhosT]

Tim Static Tim your the man. But with this thinking all of the cast minus kabal jax and a few others are novelty. Sonya has placed well at tournaments. It just takes a lot to beat the vsm tier. I understand the thoughts she is over hyped but novelty is beneath her IMO. She is a very strong character. I think skarlett hasn't gotten the limelight or exposure yet. When she does she will blow up like Sonya. Like smarrgasm said a lot of people don't even know how to play against her match up wise. Once they do the field levels out, but with Sonya she has so many safe non meter options that's why I give her the edge slightly.

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[IKizzLE]

Ninj vs Death OFFLINE first to 10 should be recorded to really see the tools of both these chicks in action.
After everything is said and done, no matter who wins the ft10, people will see that sonya > skarlett.

 

[MK Peanuts]

I don't remember saying I'll be in Vermont?...but I just got back from the Bahamas though and after 21 hours of travel I needed a break.

The issue is the 4-5 hour drives on Sundays. I promise it's not personal and I will try my best to make it down to a get together or tourny before Evo.

I'll believe it when I see it.