Who is the better tournament character?

[M2Dave]

She also has more consistent anti airs, excellent downward air fireballs to bait stuff out and that give her the ability to combo off of a non deep jump kick, RETARDED chip options with her 212 1+2 chain and EN Dagger Cancel, and other stuff.

More consistent AAs than Sonya? Right. Sonya has a 7F jab and the best uppercut in the game.

How does Skarlet set up offense, especially against low hitbox characters? I will tell you how Sonya does: d+4 xx MS f+1, which is only a step below Cage's f+3 nonsense.

And good luck trying to perform iaFBs with Skarlet to hit standing opponents. The hitbox is tiny unlike Kabal's iaGBs or Kitana's iaFs.

I am curious about Ninj's Skarlet just like everyone else is, but this character stopped being top tier when NRS toned down dagger cancels by ten frames. Some of you either do not care or refuse to acknowledge how powerful they were pre-patch. Skarlet used to be a meter-building machine and she used the meter for EX dash and EX dagger frame traps. She used to be top 5 without question.

 

[MashPotatoTower]

Can't wait to see this god teir Skarlet everyone's talking about

 

[DownfouralitY]

Sonya is such a better character then Skarlet, IMO. Without a doubt Skarlet has untapped potential but Sonya overall is the much better character in tournament. Once we see someone make top 8 with Skarlet only I honestly think there could be a debate.

 

[DanCock]

how is this even a debate??? the only people who think skarlet is better then sonya in tourney play are fan boys. Fan boys should never be taken serious.. skarlet is very very good but not on the level Sonya is at. Ninj has a nice skarlet though..


side note *** WTF NRS why the fuck does sonya recover faster from a fireball then noob and sindel?? WTF

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

More consistent AAs than Sonya? Right. Sonya has a 7F jab and the best uppercut in the game.

How does Skarlet set up offense, especially against low hitbox characters? I will tell you how Sonya does: d+4 xx MS f+1, which is only a step below Cage's f+3 nonsense.

And good luck trying to perform iaFBs with Skarlet to hit standing opponents. The hitbox is tiny unlike Kabal's iaGBs or Kitana's iaFs.

1. Skarlet st.2 is an insanely good AA. Sonya's 7f jab is fast but lacks the AA hitbox of jabs like Johnny or Nightwolf. Also Skarlet gets waaaaaaaaaaay more reward from anti airing than Sonya does. Sonya's uppercut is good but deals low damage.

2. She sets up her pressure like normal freaking characters? She has amazing down pokes, and a good dash. F4 xx Red Dash has super range and is hit confirmable into a full combo on hit. She also has great pressure using her downward air daggers. Also d4 xx Red Dash is amazing.

3. Saying that her iaFBs aren't good because they're hard is RETARDED. Attitudes like this are holding back the community. In high level SF do you see people saying that Viper sucks because she's too hard to use? Do you see Daigo using f+hp to DP instead of f+Hp to cr.HP xx DP just because it's harder? Seriously, are you going to say that Kabal is bottom tier because dash cancels are hard too?

 

[Peckapowa]

ex cartwheel, divekick, down 4, +1, nuff said

in all seriousness sonya is like top 3 imo with kenshi and kabal but who knows maybe skarlet could surpass her, then theirs freddy, ive seen great zoners liek m2dave and great rushdowns like burymeinblack, if someone puts it together with him id be scared, hes got an overwhelming number of options for mobility, he only lacks a good footsieing normal

 

[M2Dave]

1. Skarlet st.2 is an insanely good AA. Sonya's 7f jab is fast but lacks the AA hitbox of jabs like Johnny or Nightwolf. Also Skarlet gets waaaaaaaaaaay more reward from anti airing than Sonya does. Sonya's uppercut is good but deals low damage.

2. She sets up her pressure like normal freaking characters? She has amazing down pokes, and a good dash. F4 xx Red Dash has super range and is hit confirmable into a full combo on hit. She also has great pressure using her downward air daggers. Also d4 xx Red Dash is amazing.

3. Saying that her iaFBs aren't good because they're hard is RETARDED. Attitudes like this are holding back the community. In high level SF do you see people saying that Viper sucks because she's too hard to use? Do you see Daigo using f+hp to DP instead of f+Hp to cr.HP xx DP just because it's harder? Seriously, are you going to say that Kabal is bottom tier because dash cancels are hard too?

1. Sonya's AA game is one of the best simply because of d+2, which does 12% of damage just like everyone else's d+2.

2. Skarlet's offensive game is decent but nowhere near as good as Sonya's. Everything Sonya does on offense is 100% safe and risk free. Nothing that Skarlet has is comparable to d+4 xx MS f+1.

3. I never said you are not doing Skarlet's iaFBs because they are hard. I said good luck trying to do them consistently. Besides, they are nothing special. Tiny hitbox. 4% of damage. Limited juggle afterwards.

You Skarlet fanatics can theory-fight me for an eternity, but if the character was in fact better than Sonya, do you not think someone would have picked her up by now, especially when she was the very first DLC to be released? It did not take long for tournament players to place high with Rain, Kenshi, and Freddy.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

1. Sonya's AA game is one of the best simply because of d+2, which does 12% of damage just like everyone else's d+2.

2. Skarlet's offensive game is decent but nowhere near as good as Sonya's. Everything Sonya does on offense is 100% safe and risk free. Nothing that Skarlet has is comparable to d+4 xx MS f+1.

3. I never said you are not doing Skarlet's iaFBs because they are hard. I said good luck trying to do them consistently. Besides, they are nothing special. Tiny hitbox. 4% of damage. Limited juggle afterwards.

You Skarlet fanatics can theory-fight me for an eternity, but if the character was in fact better than Sonya, do you not think someone would have picked her up by now, especially when she was the very first DLC to be released? It did not take long for tournament players to place high with Rain, Kenshi, and Freddy.

1. If I can anti air you 10/10 times with Skarlet for 35% into a reset, or 10/10 times with Sonya for 12% please explain to me how Sonya's is better.

2. D4 xx MS is good, but that alone is not enough of a reason why Sonya is better. You don't need to have d4 xx ms to be good at rushdown.

3. Point is it builds meter and does potential chip while allowing you to space the opponent, people shouldn't be jumping into iaFBs at high level play anyway.

4. Skarlet was banned until the same time as the rest, and received the biggest changes. She is also the hardest to use by a lot. Viper was considered bottom tier for a loooong time before people got her down and learned how good she was. Skarlet is harder than viper Imo.

 

[GamerBlake90]

I personally voted Sonya, but I feel Skarlet can also be viable. To assume that either one of these characters is any simple to play would be foolish. They both require a precise sense of execution or you'll find myself making lots of unintended inputs.

The two characters are very similar in style, with some differences that speak for themselves.

 

[miloPKL]

i dont think skarlet is super duper hard on execution. not as much as people make out. a bit of a challenge at first, yeah, for sure.

 

[Eh SnOwY]

Sonya is way better.
Top 3 females

1. Sonya
2. Kitana
3. Skarlet

you forgot Mileena!

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Dave you keep comparing skarlet to pre patch skarlet as the reason she isn't good anymore or top tier.

That doesn't matter. We know she was better before the patch...so we're a lot of people. But come on man. Be real. Her armor can be just as effective as Sonya's if not more effective.

Daggers are a smoke screen to set up red dash. You can't just crouch and not block all day or you will take damage

 

[IKizzLE]

Let's be serious here, as a whole, no character in MK is harder to use than any character in any other fighting game.
Skarlett and Kabal, the two with the highest difficulty, are mid tier in tekken.

I bet 90% of the community here couldn't even back dash cancel in tekken and 99% of the community wouldn't be able to do taunt~JU with bryan fury.

Execution shouldn't be a factor when determining how good a character is, especially in MK.

 

[MK Peanuts]

I'll be there

To be clear, I am representing Skarlet 100%.

Sort of like how you represented her at all the local tournaments you've been to?

 

[THTB]

Theres no need to ever block low.

Wrong. Blocking high vs Skarlet just fuels her meter and results in quite a bit of chip damage.

 

[Ninj]

Dave you keep comparing skarlet to pre patch skarlet as the reason she isn't good anymore or top tier.

That doesn't matter. We know she was better before the patch...so we're a lot of people. But come on man. Be real. Her armor can be just as effective as Sonya's if not more effective.

Daggers are a smoke screen to set up red dash. You can't just crouch and not block all day or you will take damage

Looking forward to some more fights with you. Curious to see what you've picked up since last time.

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[Ninj]

Sort of like how you represented her at all the local tournaments you've been to?

I'll try to get to something before Evo. I was just saying I'll be playing Skarlet 100% at Evo.

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[MK Peanuts]

I'll try to get to something before Evo. I was just saying I'll be playing Skarlet 100% at Evo.

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[THTB]

Her armor can be just as effective as Sonya's if not more effective.

Here's the comparison:

Skarlet - Armored, unsafe, advancing launcher that travels roughly more than 1/2 screen distance, but can be turned into a safe, advancing low.

Sonya - Armored, safe, advancing launcher that travels about jump distance, and is airborne (which result in susceptibility to air-only moves like AA grabs)

Sonya is less risk due to lack of having to confirm anything, but Skarlet's still very threatening because she can launch you from way further out than Sonya can.

You be the judge.

 

[Lumpymoomilk]

I don't even play Skarlet but I respect players that do, she's like a more complicated version of Mileena to be effective with her.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Here's the comparison:

Skarlet - Armored, unsafe, advancing launcher that travels roughly more than 1/2 screen distance, but can be turned into a safe, advancing low.

Sonya - Armored, safe, advancing launcher that travels about jump distance, and is airborne (which result in susceptibility to air-only moves like AA grabs)

Sonya is less risk due to lack of having to confirm anything, but Skarlet's still very threatening because she can launch you from way further out than Sonya can.

You be the judge.

Also Skarlet gets more damage for landing hers, plus she can go for no followup.

 

[THTB]

Also Skarlet gets more damage for landing hers, plus she can go for no followup.

That too.

Honestly, it would not surprise me if Skarlet ends up better than Sonya, but if she is, it would be a barely sorta thing (Tbh, I think Sonya's great, but I think her holes will eventually pull her out of top 5 contention).

 

[GNG Iniquity]

Uh, where's the Sheeva option?! DUH!

I think Sonya's great, but I think her holes will eventually pull her out of top 5 contention).

I dunno, man. Sonya's ridiculous. She can put you into her bnb for poking...not to mention how versatile she is. Stupid good recovery on her pew pew lasers, builds meter easily, probably has the best armor in the game, constant pressure/mixups, ends her bnbs in a reset (like Cage). 7 frame standing 1, 6 frame d1, Etc. If Sonya isn't a top 5 then I don't know who the hell is.

 

[Big Pampering]

when she gets started she is a bitch yes, but she doesnt have that kind of thing like sonya where people have to respect her redicilously much because of cartwheel and dive kick, and her normals are incredibly fast and she can start offense off of a simple d4. does skarlet have that bullshit? somebody tell me

 

[Big Pampering]

That too.

Honestly, it would not surprise me if Skarlet ends up better than Sonya, but if she is, it would be a barely sorta thing (Tbh, I think Sonya's great, but I think her holes will eventually pull her out of top 5 contention).

dear sir, what are these holes youre talking about