Who is the better tournament character?

[Pig Of The Hut]

Wow so much Skarlet misinformation.



I guarantee 100% that the community will be in for a rude awakening once people start getting Skarlet down. I think that she is easily one of the best characters in the game, but she's difficult enough that people aren't at 100% with her yet.

wait whats wrong about what he said?

 

[XBlades]

Liu no matter what!!

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

Sonya has the bigger boobs, but Skarlet has the nicer ass.

So, are you an ass man or a tit man?

Not really, Sonya's is just as good. You just can't see it from behind those damn pants/shorts!!! Needs more clothing damage!

Skarlet is a tooth pick and therefor Sonya is hotter.

 

[Death]

Wow so much Skarlet misinformation.



I guarantee 100% that the community will be in for a rude awakening once people start getting Skarlet down. I think that she is easily one of the best characters in the game, but she's difficult enough that people aren't at 100% with her yet.

What are you talking about? You act like I never played Skarlet. I play ANinj a lot and other great Skarlet players out there. I know how to fight this character now. I know her pros and cons but look at her frame data. How can she be best in the game if shes negative -15 off everything she does and the fact she cant zone and will always lose the zoning trades and an unsafe teleport. I'm aware of her blockstrings but that alone isnt going to dominate MUs. People fear Skarlet when they have no clue how to fight her.

 

[Enenra]

Not really, Sonya's is just as good. You just can see it from behind those damn pants/shorts!!! Needs more clothing damage!

Skarlet is a tooth pick and therefor Sonya is hotter.

I still think Skarlet has the better behind. Gingers also give fantastic head.

 

[Flagg]

Skarlet isn't meant to be a zoner.

Her projectile is like a long range poke that help's her get in.

In the fullness of time, Skarlet will be better. Character has an absolute ton of mix ups. A true touch of death character. I think she builds meter quicker than Sonya as well.

 

[ryublaze]

Sonya is and I'll tell you why. Skarlet cant zone for shit. She will always lose a trade cuz her projectiles does chip on hit while other characters will get their 8-9% damage. Her armor such as ex red dash is nothing more than a parlor trick. Theres no need to ever block low. Everything she does off armored red dash is negative and can be comboed. Same goes for her teleport. You can fuzzy guard her slide and get a free throw attempt or free block strings going.

Everything Sonya does is safe. She has good damage a good projectile. Can dive kick pokes and whiff punish with a dive kick for 40% ending in a MS reset. Everytime she touches you she mixes you up. On block strings she can bait armor by blocking and punishing with 45%. Her D4 MSF1 is probably the best move in the game as well. Her EX cartwheel blows up a lot of shit as well. Skarlet isn't in the same league as Sonya. Once people know how to fight Skarlet she wouldnt be tough to fight. Sonya is always a bitch to fight even if you know how to fight the character completely.

Skarlet isnt bad. Shes def tourny viable but shes just not in the same league as Sonya imo.

Zoning isn't always about the damage. Red Dash with delayed Red Slide is neutral on block. EX Red Dash doesn't even have to lead to Up Slash/Down Slash/Slide. It can be used to get in for a blockstring. If you're blocking high then you're going to take chip damage while Skarlet gains meter. Skarlet can get mixups too everytime she touches you.

 

[Ninj]

Sonya is and I'll tell you why. Skarlet cant zone for shit. She will always lose a trade cuz her projectiles does chip on hit while other characters will get their 8-9% damage. Her armor such as ex red dash is nothing more than a parlor trick. Theres no need to ever block low. Everything she does off armored red dash is negative and can be comboed. Same goes for her teleport. You can fuzzy guard her slide and get a free throw attempt or free block strings going.

Skarlet isnt bad. Shes def tourny viable but shes just not in the same league as Sonya imo.

I'd like to re-word some of what you said...

her projectile does 4% on hit, and is the fastest recovering iafireball move in the game - so technically she can trade an iaBD and duck the opponents projectile, but it takes practice to do so.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by EX red dash being a parlor trick - it does give her multi-hit armor that's only beaten out by other multi-hit EX specials that are begun after her EX red dash.

Red Slide is -3 to 0 advantage on block, depending on when you use it in the animation (the later, the better in terms of advantage).

Her teleport needs to only be used on reaction to a projectile/special to close distance when wanted. All of her specials, excepting certain Red Slides, are punishable on block (EX up slash is the best one at -7).

She can't really be compared against other characters - Skarlet is her own little ball of strange that has potential for greatness (in my opinion). To me, it's kind of like comparing Rain to Quan Chi or Nightwolf...they're totally different characters with different playstyles and strategies...I'll leave it at that

 

[XBlades]

@ death
frame data ideal play and intuitive fundamental play are different things... I agree not knowing the match up is hard for anyone, but to say the character is flawed by 1 or 2 players that play her and you justify that shes not worthy or able to make that high level play, is really a disappointment to many other players. Seeing at how characters are played from a narrow perspective, will blow allot of people up.

I have yet to see both these characters win a tournament.

 

[M2Dave]

Character has an absolute ton of mix ups.

What mix ups? And how does she apply them?

I think she builds meter quicker than Sonya as well.

How?

 

[Ninj]

What are you talking about? You act like I never played Skarlet. I play ANinj a lot and other great Skarlet players out there. I know how to fight this character now. I know her pros and cons but look at her frame data. How can she be best in the game if shes negative -15 off everything she does and the fact she cant zone and will always lose the zoning trades and an unsafe teleport. I'm aware of her blockstrings but that alone isnt going to dominate MUs. People fear Skarlet when they have no clue how to fight her.

To be fair, we've only ever played online. Online is rather frustrating as a Skarlet player, although I try hard not to let it get to me.

That isn't to say I disagree necessarily - we've really gotta wait and see what happens at Evo. Are you going to Evo Death? (/crosses fingers)

PS L0rdoftheFLY thanks for starting a mini-war. This thread is a bomb waiting to go off.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

wait whats wrong about what he said?

1. She doesn't need to trade projectiles because she has some of if not the best iafbs in the game, and two excellent options for punishing projectiles (EN Red Dash and Teleport.)

2. EN Red Dash can be done to so many things on reaction for a full combo, and used in a pressure situation it gives you armor for so long that you can hitconfirm whether they have done anything or not to get a full combo or go into slide, which is -3 just like Sonya's blocked EN Cartwheel. Saying the armor on it is a parlor trick is like saying that the armor on Sonya EN Cartwheel is a parlor trick...

3. Her teleport is obviously punishable, but seriously who does random teleports at this point in the game's life? It's fast enough to punish most projectiles on reaction too.

4. Slide isn't her only safe option off of Red Dash, she can also do it empty and go for a throw or another block chain once you start respecting the slide.

Also he's making the -3 on Red Dash > Slide seem way shittier than it really is. It puts her in the exact same situation as Sonya's EN Cartwheel.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

@ death
frame data ideal play and intuitive fundamental play are different things... I agree not knowing the match up is hard for anyone, but to say the character is flawed by 1 or 2 players that play her and you justify that shes not worthy or able to make that high level play, is really a disappointment to many other players. Seeing at how characters are played from a narrow perspective, will blow allot of people up.

I have yet to see a sonya win a tournament.

What choo guna Du Xblades?

 

[XBlades]

@ Pig
Guess what Liu can do lol
MLG man... so close!

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

@ Pig
Guess what Liu can do lol
MLG man... so close!

come at me bro

I SAID COME AT ME

 

[XBlades]

I got my own silhouettes as well..



Those pushes are not going to be enough!!

 

[McNasty]

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I got my own silhouettes as well..



Those pushes are not going to be enough!!

What the pushes cant handle the bad touch will

Man either one or two things will happen

we wont play at all lol or we play first round

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Here I'll respond to some of these too.

Everything Sonya does is safe.

No, just everything that good Sonya players use is safe.

She has good damage a good projectile.

Skarlet has higher damage off of EVERYTHING. Anti airs / air to air jump punches for 35% into a reset, midscreens and corners can guarantee a lot more than Sonya with the use of one meter, which you almost build back.

As far as projectiles, if a Skarlet that could iafb consistently got into a fireball war with a Sonya, the Skarlet would win hands down.

Can dive kick pokes and whiff punish with a dive kick for 40% ending in a MS reset.

Like I said, Skarlet gets that much damage off of anything and ends in a reset too.

Everytime she touches you she mixes you up.

Skarlet deals way more chip on block and can sustain her pressure more, even if her mixups are slightly weaker.

On block strings she can bait armor by blocking and punishing with 45%.

Okay anybody can do that.

Her D4 MSF1 is probably the best move in the game as well.

Yes that is good but Skarlet has great tools of her own. Her d3 and d1 are both better than Sonya, and her d4 might not be Sonya level but it it definitely on the high end of the d4 tier list.

She also has more consistent anti airs, excellent downward air fireballs to bait stuff out and that give her the ability to combo off of a non deep jump kick, RETARDED chip options with her 212 1+2 chain and EN Dagger Cancel, and other stuff.

 

[sub_on_dubs]

Until we see Skarlet doing well in tournaments, I think we have to say Sonya at this moment although I would love to see Skarlet used more.

 

[Johnny2d]

Theres no need to ever block low. Everything she does off armored red dash is negative and can be comboed. Same goes for her teleport. You can fuzzy guard her slide and get a free throw attempt or free block strings going.

This has been discussed at length. Keep not blocking low and see what happens. Skarlet's opponents have to guess or they take too much damage from slides, and d4s into slides. Good Skarlet players know the risks of the overhead and will take the slide all day, especially if you are giving it up for free by never blocking low. The Ex overhead makes it a true 50/50. Also, Blocking high opens up the dagger cancel game too. Anyway, like I said this has all been discussed at length so feel free to read the articles by UsedForGlue and @RedRaptor.

 

[Johnny2d]

I think that in the right hands she can do just as well as Sonya but we have yet to see it happen in a tourny. Realize that if Ninj does well with Skarlet at Evo it will prove 2 things: 1. Skarlet is viable. 2. Ninj is a great player. The two aren't exclusive of each other.

 

[Eddy Wang]

This is what i mentalize when i play Skarlet.

"I touch him, he dies, it doesn't matter if he is blocking"

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

I'm out for blood with her. I'm getting MU exp with her and am becoming more confident with every game I play. I'm starting to feel more confident with her than nw :O

With a little practice she can make sonya obsolete.

Here I'll respond to some of these too.


No, just everything that good Sonya players use is safe.


Skarlet has higher damage off of EVERYTHING. Anti airs / air to air jump punches for 35% into a reset, midscreens and corners can guarantee a lot more than Sonya with the use of one meter, which you almost build back.

As far as projectiles, if a Skarlet that could iafb consistently got into a fireball war with a Sonya, the Skarlet would win hands down.


Like I said, Skarlet gets that much damage off of anything and ends in a reset too.


Skarlet deals way more chip on block and can sustain her pressure more, even if her mixups are slightly weaker.


Okay anybody can do that.


Yes that is good but Skarlet has great tools of her own. Her d3 and d1 are both better than Sonya, and her d4 might not be Sonya level but it it definitely on the high end of the d4 tier list.

She also has more consistent anti airs, excellent downward air fireballs to bait stuff out and that give her the ability to combo off of a non deep jump kick, RETARDED chip options with her 212 1+2 chain and EN Dagger Cancel, and other stuff.

Well said man

 

[Smarrgasm]

I'm out for blood with her. I'm getting MU exp with her and am becoming more confident with every game I play. I'm starting to feel more confident with her than nw :O
With a little practice she can make sonya obsolete.

Does this mean i wont have to worry about that kabal again? Idk why i didnt try to switch characters after the second game cause i was getting worked. I'd love to see that skarlet keep leveling up though. Im gonna keep working on my sonya and we can have our own personal battles to see which ends up being better.