Just sharing some of my lab stuff with Reptile

[Briggs8417]

Sub pretty much takes away Reptile's up-close pressure, as well as his advancing options due to clone.

That's why Reptile doesn't play Sub offensively. The zoning game is more neutral, but there's a smaller reward on Sub's end.

I've honestly been thinking lately that this mu could be a bit in sub's favor but not terribly idk like 4.5-5.5 sub but it just doesn't feel that way sometimes. It could just be the players I play.

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[Briggs8417]

Can't you be full comboed after d3 trying to link acid hand? On block +3 giving the opponent 24 frames to do whatever they want? Even on hit its +13 giving the opponent 14 frames to punish? This is similar to kitanas d1 into cutter where she can be full comboed after d1.

Don't you have to take into account the frames that acid hand has already been active after recovery for him to interrupt it? Idk I'm asking. I have yet to be interested but that could just be because no one knows.

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[RapZiLLa54]

I always try to stay 3/4 of the screen vs Sub. If he clones I immediately throw out fastball because if we trade on projectiles I take no damage and he takes 8 and then if he tries to slide punish I recover in time to block. I also use 122fastball NJP 32 fastball to send him full screen and if he wake up slides whether or not its enchanced hes getting launched by forceball and if he doesn't he has to deal with a slow ball, fastball, spit rinse repeat, to get back in.

 

[GNG Iniquity]

I think spit may be a good anti-jumpback tool. I know EX spit works very well for this.

EX spit is fantastic in the corner, that's really the only time I'll use it. I'd like to find more application for plain old spit though, I generally only use that in the FBs when I don't want them to break it or when getting the trade on projectiles.

 

[RapZiLLa54]

Don't you have to take into account the frames that acid hand has already been active after recovery for him to interrupt it? Idk I'm asking. I have yet to be interested but that could just be because no one knows.

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I dont follow.. d3 canceled into Acid hand is +3 (on block) and Acid Hand is 27 frames which means theres a 24 frame gap. On hit +13 theres a 14 frame gap so it can easily be poked or full comboed regardless if hit or not.

 

[GNG Iniquity]

Sub pretty much takes away Reptile's up-close pressure, as well as his advancing options due to clone.

That's why Reptile doesn't play Sub offensively. The zoning game is more neutral, but there's a smaller reward on Sub's end.

I've only had sufficient Reptile vs Sub experience online, certainly don't feel that's an accurate representation, there's been many a moments where I've actually been frozen. EX ice ball? Okay, I can accept that, but it's obvious that spit has a significantly faster start up and recovery than ice ball. My approach to it is spit, crouch block, spit, crouch block. Repeat. Which I'm sure is the accurate means offline since they both have EX slides now.

Sub's just reaches a little further. Obviously SZ should approach Rep since clone effectively shuts down Rep's mobility and can used to AA him on reaction if need be. I believe it's in Sub's favor if the Sub player plays the MU correctly.

 

[RapZiLLa54]

EX spit is fantastic in the corner, that's really the only time I'll use it. I'd like to find more application for plain old spit though, I generally only use that in the FBs when I don't want them to break it or when getting the trade on projectiles.

You mean on block right? On hit its -6

 

[GNG Iniquity]

You mean on block right? On hit its -6

Is it really? Huh. I usually just use it on reaction if I see someone attempt to jump out of the corner. Didn't know that it was at that much of a disadvantage on hit; that's pretty dumb.

 

[Briggs8417]

I dont follow.. d3 canceled into Acid hand is +3 (on block) and Acid Hand is 27 frames which means theres a 24 frame gap. On hit +13 theres a 14 frame gap so it can easily be poked or full comboed regardless if hit or not.

Nvm question answered that's what I thought ok, well it has proved fruitful for me so far I was just sharing.

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[RapZiLLa54]

Is it really? Huh. I usually just use it on reaction if I see someone attempt to jump out of the corner. Didn't know that it was at that much of a disadvantage on hit; that's pretty dumb.

Yeah man it makes no sense. If it was any type of + I would end every corner combo with EX spit and go to town lol

 

[GNG Iniquity]

Yeah man it makes no sense. If it was any type of + I would end every corner combo with EX spit and go to town lol

I don't understand that. Sektor's flamethrower (I'm presuming Rain's squirt gun as well since it's the same animation) is -1 on block. Still at a disadvantage but -6 is a "I'm never going to use this again" bad.

 

[Briggs8417]

I don't understand that. Sektor's flamethrower (I'm presuming Rain's squirt gun as well since it's the same animation) is -1 on block. Still at a disadvantage but -6 is a "I'm never going to use this again" bad.

Yeah but on block its +3??? Hahaha, no sense made of it.

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[GNG Iniquity]

Yeah but on block its +3??? Hahaha, no sense made of it.

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NRS...god I hate NRS. So back asswards at everything.

 

[Briggs8417]

NRS...god I hate NRS. So back asswards at everything.

Yep haha.

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[Salad Petresky]

Reptile vs sub is about how well both players can trade each other. I do feel that its 5-5 reptile. I need to play denzell, Brady or shoryuken

 

[GNG Iniquity]

Yep haha.

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I'm honestly at the point where I think all this frame data was randomly assigned. Truly, I do. Probably pulled that stuff out of a hat or merely just eyed it "Oh that looks good enough! That'll get them to their gorey fatality in no time! YEAH!"

If the next installment has frame data released, and done professionally, without 3D hitboxes...I'll be a happy man. The trainer being functional and online being decent would just be the cherry on the top.

 

[Briggs8417]

Reptile vs sub is about how well both players can trade each other. I do feel that its 5-5 reptile. I need to play denzell, Brady or shoryuken

Shoryuken's sub is a monster.
@InquityDM agreed they played darts with everyone's frame data on the target haha.

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[GNG Iniquity]

Reptile vs sub is about how well both players can trade each other. I do feel that its 5-5 reptile. I need to play denzell, Brady or shoryuken

I think I've played Shory's sub with Rep, I can't recall. But yes, GOOD SZ's make that MU feel 6-4 in SZ's favor.

 

[RapZiLLa54]

Nvm question answered that's what I thought ok, well it has proved fruitful for me so far I was just sharing.

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Yeah man I used to use this to poke out of everything until my friend who main JC (he never blocks lol) would just run right through this lol.

D3 into 321 is always the best bet. Yeah it can be poked out of but looking at most of the frame data a lot of the faster pokes like d1 on hit are negative or neutral. Not many pokes have advantage so in most cases if we get hit by a poke we can just ex dash. Its the slower pokes that grant advantage like d4 and a few d3.

 

[Briggs8417]

I think I've played Shory's sub with Rep, I can't recall. But yes, GOOD SZ's make that MU feel 6-4 in SZ's favor.

Yeah I honestly know that the mu is 5-5 but it is just really frustrating sometimes that it feels 6-4.

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[Briggs8417]

Yeah man I used to use this to poke out of everything until my friend who main JC (he never blocks lol) would just run right through this lol.

D3 into 321 is always the best bet. Yeah it can be poked out of but looking at most of the frame data a lot of the faster pokes like d1 on hit are negative or neutral. Not many pokes have advantage so in most cases if we get hit by a poke we can just ex dash. Its the slower pokes that grant advantage like d4 and a few d3.

Yeah i have noticed that, like i said nrs played darts with the frame data lol. This is really the only thing I use d3 for everything else I use d4 its just better lol. I also do d3 321 just not as often but after looking at the frame data it makes more sense to use really lol.

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[RapZiLLa54]

After the reset where we are +8 d4 is guaranteed since it becomes a 4 frame move. Only thing you can do is jump out. So if they try anything BUT jump you win and now can choose to link into whatever.

 

[Briggs8417]

After the reset where we are +8 d4 is guaranteed since it becomes a 4 frame move. Only thing you can do is jump out. So if they try anything BUT jump you win and now can choose to link into whatever.

Sub can clone, I found it out the hard way that's about it though

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[RapZiLLa54]

Subs clone is annoying. Thats why whenever I end a combo I like to end it with dash and stand right on top of him. If he tries to clone nothing will come out and its pressure time.

 

[THTB]

Subs clone is annoying. Thats why whenever I end a combo I like to end it with dash and stand right on top of him. If he tries to clone nothing will come out and its pressure time.

Yeah, one of Reptile's strong points is his wakeup offense due to elbow crossups and elbow allowing him to remain right in your face on every knockdown. Sub on wakeup generally has to deal with it and block right, otherwise he's stuck on his ass.