Has NRS silenced the Mortal Kombat 1 critics?

[iSuckAtFightingGames]

Certain people in the comment sections are labeling me a shill and implying that NRS has bribed me. LMAO.

roflmao.... imagine thinking M2Dave was a NRS shill!!

Tell us you are not part of the NRS community without telling us you are not part of the NRS community hahahaah

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

We expect better cause they've produced better in the past. Can't fault us for having criticism when we've seen them set the bar and fell behind that bar for years now.

All of this.

I'm not here for celebrating mediocrity.

 

[Subby Z]

If that's your main issues then yes I can understand that, makes more sense since so much has changed in the story and the characters this game. Soul Calibur V tried a new story where they brought in like half the cast being new and a bunch of changes, and it was so ill received that the game literally never recovered lol, so I'm sure for someone who is big on those aspects it's going to damper their experience.

This is my reason as well. Say what you want about MK11 but those were the characters I knew.

I don’t know anybody in Mk1 and I don’t care about them and I never will. Fuck this timeline reset.

 

[SaltShaker]

Here you go...

I challenged Tom on multiple topics throughout the podcast.

Certain people in the comment sections are labeling me a shill and implying that NRS has bribed me. LMAO.

Lord Paolo, if you are reading, I am waiting for a paycheck in my mail by the end of this week.

My favorite comment about you in that section:

"This other guy (Not Tom) is the typical gen-z kid who's like "well if it sold more, then it must be better". This the type of dude that would try to argue that Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift are greater musicians than Michael Jackson & The Beatles because, sales..."

 

[PrinceGoro]

Whats everyones toughts on ed's trucking forward comment in regards to DLC?

Is he trying to say that support is not cancled by wb? And that there is full season 3?

Or is it just damage control to ensure sales of term and the already supposedly completed few kameos dont get affected by the games support being cut off, that they will release aftet term and call it quits?

I feel like if the support being cancled was not true they would have said it right then and there.

 

[Jynks]

Is he trying to say that support is not cancled by wb? And that there is full season 3?

he is saying there is more dlc coming, there is a season 3 and we have already seen the announcement of the new pro-leauge.. this time with a 200K pot..... and as usual the "leakers" are just full of shit.. throwing everything against the wall and when 90% of it falls off they look at the 10% and say "we told you" and morons believe them.

I feel like if the support being cancled was not true they would have said it right then and there.

The reason it is not commented on is when you sell millions of titles, have the largest online players count of any fighting game on the ps5 at any given time and most people seem to love the game... a few complainers and some random leakers no one gives a shit about just do not even hit the radar. It is like 10,000 people say yes and one person says no... why even give the 1 person any attention... instead cater to the people saying yes.

 

[Felipe_Gewehr]

Whats everyones toughts on ed's trucking forward comment in regards to DLC?

Is he trying to say that support is not cancled by wb? And that there is full season 3?

Or is it just damage control to ensure sales of term and the already supposedly completed few kameos dont get affected by the games support being cut off, that they will release aftet term and call it quits?

I feel like if the support being cancled was not true they would have said it right then and there.

Interloko, a reliable dataminer, said recently (less than 24h ago) that there are indications in the Conan patch files that t1000 is NOT the last DLC.

Of course, this could mean nothing, as MK11 had also indications of more "DLC Slots" in the character select screen, according to the game's code, but we didn't end up getting any other dlc.

It could also mean they plan to release a kameo or two they had been working on already, as speculated by the other leakers.

 

[PrinceGoro]

he is saying there is more dlc coming, there is a season 3 and we have already seen the announcement of the new pro-leauge.. this time with a 200K pot..... and as usual the "leakers" are just full of shit.. throwing everything against the wall and when 90% of it falls off they look at the 10% and say "we told you" and morons believe them.



The reason it is not commented on is when you sell millions of titles, have the largest online players count of any fighting game on the ps5 at any given time and most people seem to love the game... a few complainers and some random leakers no one gives a shit about just do not even hit the radar. It is like 10,000 people say yes and one person says no... why even give the 1 person any attention... instead cater to the people saying yes.

It could be interpreted that way sure, but idk seems a bit unconclusive.

Id much rather them come out and just say stay tuned for all things s3 in the mean time heres the term trailer/tease or whatever.

If nothing else, from a business stand point it makes sense to do that.

They did sell 5 mill but thats still a long way from mk11 and mx numbers and the profits under which they operate.

Making sure people know the games not getting iced after term, would only help both game sales and dlc phurchases.

 

[SaltShaker]

Whats everyones toughts on ed's trucking forward comment in regards to DLC?

Is he trying to say that support is not cancled by wb? And that there is full season 3?

Or is it just damage control to ensure sales of term and the already supposedly completed few kameos dont get affected by the games support being cut off, that they will release aftet term and call it quits?

I feel like if the support being cancled was not true they would have said it right then and there.

My guess is it's a bit of a half truth. As in yea they're pushing everything through like the rest of the DLC, patches, updates and new moves etc, but until the cutoff date, after the waves are done. They have never had a problem shooting down or mocking things that weren't true in the past so the dead silence on the end of support inclines me to believe that after T-1000 we'll get whatever was left like maybe one more patch or even two, maybe one more character or another character, but things like a full KP3 are not happening and won't ever be mentioned directly. I'd love to be wrong on that of course, but I feel there's a "where there's smoke there's fire" situation here.

 

[Trickywizard]

We gotta stop labeling anyone disliking a game a hater and anyone liking a game a shill.
we sound like high schoolers, we are older than that.

@PrinceGoro MK1 is next gen exclusive, that is a big factor. I know friends that still play on ps4.

 

[Subby Z]

Why does this game go in phases?lol

It’s like this game seems pretty dead (which I want it to be like please die tbh so they start on something new). Then it gets like some mini good news (a patch, a character drop, and in this case a secret character) and suddenly oh it’s not dead. This shit is just all over the place and I think where I (as someone who dislikes the product) am mostly agitated because the people who like it can’t admit in the least that, “yeah maybe this isn’t the best entry in the series”.

I mean I can admit the goods where I see them even though I didn’t play. Reptile looks kinda cool. That’s about the extent I can compliment it though. Everything else I’m just like, “So why did you replace all of your characters NRS?” Also if the story is such a minor part and nobody really gives a fuck about it then WHY do they throw so many resources into story mode and promote it as such a massive part of the game?

 

[Jynks]

It’s like this game seems pretty dead <snip>

I think the point is it was NEVER dead... you and a small amount of the total p[layers just stopped playing and assumed as you did everyone else did, which they didn't.

 

[Subby Z]

I think the point is it was NEVER dead... you and a small amount of the total p[layers just stopped playing and assumed as you did everyone else did, which they didn't.

Oh I never played.lol.

I am a huge MK fan but once I saw they changed all the characters and their backstories and the kameo system I said no thanks.

I’m a casual through and through and this game just turned me off. Still hope it dies haha

 

[Trickywizard]

Oh I never played.lol.

I am a huge MK fan but once I saw they changed all the characters and their backstories and the kameo system I said no thanks.

I’m a casual through and through and this game just turned me off. Still hope it dies haha

I stopped playing it for almost a year, I didn’t like the initial game but I never hoped it died lol

The game is in a much better place now, I hope it gets all the fixes it needs.

 

[Subby Z]

I stopped playing it for almost a year, I didn’t like the initial game but I never hoped it died lol

The game is in a much better place now, I hope it gets all the fixes it needs.

It’s not out of spite.lol. It’s just Mk games come so fucking infrequently that like this timeline needs to hurry up and fly by. Idk it was just an absolutely not for me.lol.

I hate Liu as a god tbh especially in Raiden’ spot. Hate Hanzo isn’t Scorpion. Hate Kuai isn’t Sub-Zero. Hate Kuai had all of his history erased to basically be Hanzo in a lot of cases. Hated Tanya. Hated Havik is now Dairou.

Yeah just I hate it haha. So the quicker it dies is like the quicker they work on something else.

 

[M2Dave]

My favorite comment about you in that section:

"This other guy (Not Tom) is the typical gen-z kid who's like "well if it sold more, then it must be better". This the type of dude that would try to argue that Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift are greater musicians than Michael Jackson & The Beatles because, sales..."

My favorite comment is...

Nrs must of promised Dave a partnership the way he shilling.

Some people also make comments about other fighting games when they clearly know nothing about them.

cant compare kameo to drive system. No character is reliant on DI. yes you do have to be able to react to DI but you're not forced to work it into your game plan.

 

[chrisisnice]

hats everyones toughts on ed's trucking forward comment in regards to DLC?

He said there is more DLC - there technically is - The terminator. I think the leaker said that they would release some other final bits they were working on - so maybe a Kameo or two?

@PrinceGoro MK1 is next gen exclusive, that is a big factor. I know friends that still play on ps4.

This exactly! I always said it should have been also released on PS4 because it would triple their market. It was never going to sell as well as MK11 - look at the difference in console sales.

 

[just_2swift]

Who green lit MK1 for the Nintendo switch and not the PS4? It can't be a hardware issue.

 

[Tom Brady]

I mean... there is NO denying the game has improved since launch. It WAS a bad game for almost the entire first year for a multitude of reasons, some of which had nothing to do with the actual combat. As of Khaos Reigns, the game is in by far an improved state. Is the game currently bad? No, I think its fair to say MK1 is good right now. However, there is no denying the dissatisfaction of MK1 is still there for most (NOT ALL), there are still plenty of people who enjoy it. Unfortunately, too much damage has been done after how MK11 ended and then year 1 of MK1 for anything to turn it around. Yes, SFV got turned around, and could that happen here? Yes, but it won't. Why? In the end, the gripe of 99% of people who don't like game is the Kameo system. They don't like it, its not fun for them, they don't like how it was implemented, they don't like how it feels... MK community says "LIES!!! These are salty people mad they aren't winning".. ALL cope.. Id say 1% of the people who don't like the game are "salty players" who aren't winning. It is what it is.. most people don't like the Kameo system, you here this OVER and OVER again, even from people like Max and yet the community still ignores that still attributing the dissatisfaction to "hate".

In the end, MK1 became a much better game but took way too log to get there & at its core is a Kameo system that most simply don't like very much. MK1 became a good game that just did not resonate well with the fanbase.

 

[Tom Brady]

About the leaks of development being over now supposedly debunked by recent events…

MK1 sold OVER 4 million BEFORE Khaos Reigns.. id say the leaks saying KR isn’t selling as expected is probably true. Also, lets not forget ALL the reasons given now - 2nd pro league, what Ed Boon says, etc..were the same reasons ppl thought MK11 would have more development than 2 1/2 years.. Let’s not forget that Ed Boon said the previous game would be supported for longer than the usual cycle, which it wasn’t. When he said this game would be supported for years to come and it was just year 2 for MK1, that was also before the sales numbers of the expansion did not meet corporate expectations. Obviously, we will know if the rumors were true and development being halted until that actually happens, but it’s pretty safe to say the rumor that the expansion is not selling up to expectation is probably spot on.

Lets also not forget that the leak said there may be one or two more DLC character characters/kameos as they were already worked on and mostly completed before the plug got pulled. Those DLC files really don’t change what was reported months ago. Again, I’m not saying that this is true because we actually don’t know if development has been stopped and there will be no season 3, I’m just saying that really nothing that has come out has added any certainty one way or the other.

 

[PrinceGoro]

He said there is more DLC - there technically is - The terminator. I think the leaker said that they would release some other final bits they were working on - so maybe a Kameo or two?


This exactly! I always said it should have been also released on PS4 because it would triple their market. It was never going to sell as well as MK11 - look at the difference in console sales.

Thats my toughts as well, i think there is also a small posibility of them being allowed to resume the season 3 if this batch of dlc, meaning gf, conan and term with whatever is alread comlleted( the runored 2 kameos) manages the generate enough traction that would warrant wb giving them a pass.

But if it was 100% true that the plug was pulled by wb then the above scenario has very little chsnce of materializing even if the dlc and subsequent patches make the game do well.

 

[PrinceGoro]

I mean... there is NO denying the game has improved since launch. It WAS a bad game for almost the entire first year for a multitude of reasons, some of which had nothing to do with the actual combat. As of Khaos Reigns, the game is in by far an improved state. Is the game currently bad? No, I think its fair to say MK1 is good right now. However, there is no denying the dissatisfaction of MK1 is still there for most (NOT ALL), there are still plenty of people who enjoy it. Unfortunately, too much damage has been done after how MK11 ended and then year 1 of MK1 for anything to turn it around. Yes, SFV got turned around, and could that happen here? Yes, but it won't. Why? In the end, the gripe of 99% of people who don't like game is the Kameo system. They don't like it, its not fun for them, they don't like how it was implemented, they don't like how it feels... MK community says "LIES!!! These are salty people mad they aren't winning".. ALL cope.. Id say 1% of the people who don't like the game are "salty players" who aren't winning. It is what it is.. most people don't like the Kameo system, you here this OVER and OVER again, even from people like Max and yet the community still ignores that still attributing the dissatisfaction to "hate".

In the end, MK1 became a much better game but took way too log to get there & at its core is a Kameo system that most simply don't like very much. MK1 became a good game that just did not resonate well with the fanbase.

Funny thing is that even in the current state and past states, the game would be much much more well recieved by the general public if they just removed all microtransactions.

But in general i agree with your assesment, the kameos and characters working as a puzzle to creat a full character is not as enjoyable, it takes away from the game.

Over the course of the game they did make work to aliviate that from new moves to creating better characters, but those are only band aid fixes, and they dont tackle the issue at its core systematically.

 

[Amplified$hotz]

I mean... there is NO denying the game has improved since launch. It WAS a bad game for almost the entire first year for a multitude of reasons, some of which had nothing to do with the actual combat. As of Khaos Reigns, the game is in by far an improved state. Is the game currently bad? No, I think its fair to say MK1 is good right now. However, there is no denying the dissatisfaction of MK1 is still there for most (NOT ALL), there are still plenty of people who enjoy it. Unfortunately, too much damage has been done after how MK11 ended and then year 1 of MK1 for anything to turn it around. Yes, SFV got turned around, and could that happen here? Yes, but it won't. Why? In the end, the gripe of 99% of people who don't like game is the Kameo system. They don't like it, its not fun for them, they don't like how it was implemented, they don't like how it feels... MK community says "LIES!!! These are salty people mad they aren't winning".. ALL cope.. Id say 1% of the people who don't like the game are "salty players" who aren't winning. It is what it is.. most people don't like the Kameo system, you here this OVER and OVER again, even from people like Max and yet the community still ignores that still attributing the dissatisfaction to "hate".

In the end, MK1 became a much better game but took way too log to get there & at its core is a Kameo system that most simply don't like very much. MK1 became a good game that just did not resonate well with the fanbase.

I think you’re right about 90% of the time but you kind of go too hard with it. That being said the NRS community needs to stop siding with NRS and side with their fellow consumer.

I just want to ask, what is your agenda now? Are you campaigning for NRS to wrap up MK1 ASAP and move onto a 1v1 variation-less MK? What do you want the community to push for?

 

[Subby Z]

I think you’re right about 90% of the time but you kind of go too hard with it. That being said the NRS community needs to stop siding with NRS and side with their fellow consumer.

I just want to ask, what is your agenda now? Are you campaigning for NRS to wrap up MK1 ASAP and move onto a 1v1 variation-less MK? What do you want the community to push for?

Not what Tom is asking for, but I’ll chime in here and say that’s what I want and preferably not in Liu’s wonderland timeline.

or another Shaolin Monks type game. Preferably Fire and Ice. Hell maybe the reason they shit on Kuai and Hanzo so hard in this game is so that when they make fire and ice everyone is so ready to see them again they just buy the damn game up.

 

[M2Dave]

It is what it is.. most people don't like the Kameo system, you here this OVER and OVER again, even from people like Max...

You fail to mention the full context and the inconvenient fact that Max complains about zoning in Mortal Kombat 1, a game that contains an ambush assist that provides five hits of anti-projectile armor.

If anyone perceives Mortal Kombat 1 to feel "unfun" and "wrong" because of the zoning, I could not care less about that individual's opinion about Mortal Kombat 1, much less fighting games in general. So, citing Max does not strengthen your or Mike Hollow's argument. In fact, citing Max devalues your argument.

You and I used to criticize the power levels of the game. NRS has buffed most characters and kameos. You and I used to criticize the lack of traditional archetypes. NRS has added characters like Cyrax, Ermax, and Sektor, all of whom play in a specific way, with or without kameos. You and I used to criticize the lack of execution and character depth, yet the most recent DLC characters are neither "scrubby" nor "brain dead". Almost all of them are well-designed characters.

In the toxic and negative environment called Twitter, where every game ever made sucks, I have lots of respect for Paolo and his crew for improving Mortal Kombat 1. Just like I had lots of respect for Capcom for improving Street Fighter 5. At one point, I had quit playing, but I am now satisfied and proud to have returned to play both games.

Mike Hollow is a knowledgeable fighting game player, but he no longer plays Mortal Kombat 1. His criticism is shallow, obsolete, and out of the touch with the people who still play this game. So is yours to a lesser extent. In spite of its inherent flaws, improvements on the kameo system can still be accomplished. Just like Capcom and Namco improved, or deteriorated, depending on your perspective, the drive and heat system, respectively. Mike has not had a nuanced conversation about Mortal Kombat 1's meta in a very long time, so regurgitating his talking points is futile.