Shang Tsung General Discussion

[zerosebaz]

Nah, just one puppet. It doesn't do anything if you already have one up. But I think you can sheath Sento as Shujinko copying Kenshi(in the mirror or as Shang morphed into Kenshi) and keep puppet out. I don't think you can do that normally as Kenshi

Oh, I figured this was probably the case, since it would be ridiculously broken otherwise, but man it would've been fun. Thanks.

 

[SaltShaker]

Back on the Shang grind, these Jax resets feel very consistent. For two bars and one Kameo use they feel very practical. Only time I wouldn't go for it likely is if the opponent is sitting on breaker, but finding it hard to say why not go for it? Trying to muscle memory some follow ups for each character switch before breaking it out though.

 

[Marinjuana]

People finding more nasty Darius combos

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1706396877338398982

 

[SaltShaker]

People finding more nasty Darius combos

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1706396877338398982

LOL what?? Haha wow yea I don't know that doesn't seem intentional.

 

[xBlaze_13]

I honestly feel like he is really bad. He has no whiff punish game, and gets easily whiff punished himself. He sucks in the mid range, has somewhat okay close range, and isn't even that good at far range which is apparently his specialty and has no mixup game whatsoever. Yes there are example of players like Foxy winning with him. But that's Foxy, one of the greatest NRS players to exist. It's like Daigo using a trash character against a toddler using a broken character. Daigo would obviously still win even with a bad character.

 

[SixPathsOfHate]

I honestly feel like he is really bad. He has no whiff punish game, and gets easily whiff punished himself. He sucks in the mid range, has somewhat okay close range, and isn't even that good at far range which is apparently his specialty and has no mixup game whatsoever. Yes there are example of players like Foxy winning with him. But that's Foxy, one of the greatest NRS players to exist. It's like Daigo using a trash character against a toddler using a broken character. Daigo would obviously still win even with a bad character.

That's how I feel atm. His buttons outside of B4 feel really bad. B4 pushback is insane and puts you in a whiff punish range with either Old F3 or down skulls if you read they will press a button.
His whiff punish game feels extremely volatile.

Also, dont get trapped in the corner with old while the opponent has subzero kameo. Old armored move counts as a projectile so ice armor counters shang very hard imo.

 

[lilyunggrabbagjr]

I found this with him

 

[navvy]

so any tips of how to consistently go from young to old to do full f4 string? second week and I am still trash at it

 

[lilyunggrabbagjr]

so any tips of how to consistently go from young to old to do full f4 string? second week and I am still trash at it

You do the full string like normal but after f4 you press down stance switch and 1 at the same time

 

[DC King]

so any tips of how to consistently go from young to old to do full f4 string? second week and I am still trash at it

Are you trying to do Shang’s (old form) f4,1,2,1,4 string while starting as his young form? If so you have to dial in the f4,1 and press L2+down right after so that he morphs it will look something like f4,1, L2+down, 2,1,4

 

[SixPathsOfHate]

so any tips of how to consistently go from young to old to do full f4 string? second week and I am still trash at it

Press the swap change at the same time you press 1. The issue is if you dial up 2 too fast you just get F4+Form change. Im 99% sure this is a bug but it affects all Shang's swapping and I have made a bug report on it.

 

[xBlaze_13]

I found this with him

Not trying to be disrespectful to your setup, but many characters in the roster could do that exact thing as long as they have cyrax. It is not Shang exclusive. Just Cyrax doing the heavy lifting here.

 

[Marinjuana]

He doesn't feel bad to me. I think the Jax setups look broken but putting that aside, I think he zones well, he does good damage without meter, he has armor, not a character with big weaknesses and then you have formsteal/morph which is already useful but has great potential as the game develops

 

[xBlaze_13]

That's how I feel atm. His buttons outside of B4 feel really bad. B4 pushback is insane and puts you in a whiff punish range with either Old F3 or down skulls if you read they will press a button.
His whiff punish game feels extremely volatile.

Also, dont get trapped in the corner with old while the opponent has subzero kameo. Old armored move counts as a projectile so ice armor counters shang very hard imo.

Thanks for the info on the Sub kameo. Outside of armored wakeup/defense, I also do not see much of a use for his claw attacks, especially when other characters get armored launchers. I guess the claw attack in his old form can be a footsie tool, but it's super negative on block to the point where even from a good distance away, your opponent can dash in and punish.

As for whiff punish, I'm going to try experimenting with old man fire balls, but I think that would be super risky for shang considering that they are also like majority of his moves, super negative on block. This character right now is just a sitting duck at mid range.

 

[xBlaze_13]

He doesn't feel bad to me. I think the Jax setups look broken but putting that aside, I think he zones well, he does good damage without meter, he has armor, not a character with big weaknesses and then you have formsteal/morph which is already useful but has great potential as the game develops

Again, similar to what I said to another user, the Jax setups are not a shang thing. It's a Jax thing. Any character can do 90% combos if they do a crazy Jax setup. This isn't exclusive to shang. I also don't want to be forced to use Jax or cyrax to make him viable.

 

[Marinjuana]

Again, similar to what I said to another user, the Jax setups are not a shang thing. It's a Jax thing. Any character can do 90% combos if they do a crazy Jax setup. This isn't exclusive to shang. I also don't want to be forced to use Jax or cyrax to make him viable.

Please share these Jax setups. The best ones I've seen have EX injection involved

But yeah I think he's fine, I've gotten good use out of Stryker, Sektor and Motaro.

 

[xBlaze_13]

Please share these Jax setups. The best ones I've seen have EX injection involved

But yeah I think he's fine, I've gotten good use out of Stryker, Sektor and Motaro.

A lot of people are actually saying he's an even better assist then Cyrax because he can do stuff like this with so many characters. This is just a few I found on YouTube, not counting the dozens that are on Twitter.

 

[Marinjuana]

A lot of people are actually saying he's an even better assist then Cyrax because he can do stuff like this with so many characters. This is just a few I found on YouTube, not counting the dozens that are on Twitter.

Are any of these combos past Scorpion?

 

[SaltShaker]

A lot of people are actually saying he's an even better assist then Cyrax because he can do stuff like this with so many characters. This is just a few I found on YouTube, not counting the dozens that are on Twitter.

Other than Scorpion, these others seem to lose to mixing WU timings. Not too much different than Rain doing the OH/Low puddle oki tech.

But those are not the same. The Scorpion and Shang setups are so deadly because there is no WU at all, it is done from a restand.

 

[Agilaz]

Welp, people are figuring out you can beat him by just blocking low lol

What's he gonna do? Overhead splat you for 5%?

 

[bmoee1]

Welp, people are figuring out you can beat him by just blocking low lol

What's he gonna do? Overhead splat you for 5%?

Yeah, and grab/shimmy to Get them pressing buttons.

 

[liljay273]

Been messing with Shang and man it just seems like to me sub zero kameo armor needs to take two full stocks. It just neutralizes him completely

 

[navvy]

Press the swap change at the same time you press 1. The issue is if you dial up 2 too fast you just get F4+Form change. Im 99% sure this is a bug but it affects all Shang's swapping and I have made a bug report on it.

ah yes, that is why I probably suck at it, thanks a lot!

 

[Marinjuana]

Jax (Kameo) - Ground Pound is now higher priority when it & his partner’s attacks hit on the same frame

From new patch, does this nerf Shang/Jax resets?

 

[navvy]

Anyone noticed that on some characters young f43 into medium spark whiffs and on some dont if you are as close as possible to the opponent? Some characters are very inconsistent, feels like we got breathing hurtboxes again lol.
Even on the kombat kast they said that you should be able to combo like this

at 6:50 any thoughts? This must be a bug.