My personal tier list

[THTB]

With all these discussions about top 5 and bottom 5, I decided to come up with my own personal tier list. I think a lot of people will be surprised at some of my placements lol.

Top: Kabal, Mileena, Freddy, Kitana, Sonya, Raiden, Jax, Kung Lao, Smoke, Shang Tsung
Middle: Sektor, Cyrax, Scorpion, Liu Kang, Quan Chi, Kenshi, Rain, Jade, Reptile, Skarlet, Sindel
Bottom: Ermac, Johnny Cage, Cyber Sub-Zero, Baraka, Sub-Zero, Kano, Nightwolf, Stryker, Noob, Sheeva

Opinions?

 

[lBane]

I agree with 95% of it

good sh*t brah

would switch:
-Move Scorpion to top
-JC with Sindel
-Noob with Jade

 

[Derptile]

I would put Sektor, Scorpion, Cyrax, and Skarlet in top tier. Move Jade to bottom tier, and move Kano and Johnny Cage to mid tier. Other than that, most of it looks good.

 

[LesMore]

cage, sub, ermac, kano, nightwolf, should be in a tier of their own... right below top tier

cage might be top tier...

otherwise pretty good

 

[Salad Petresky]

This is mine, idk if it matters since you know... i dont have money to attend lots of majors.
NPO on these:

S+ tier: Raiden, Kabal, Jax, Shang Tsung (when fighting with soul steal and know the character well)
S tier: Kung Lao, Smoke, Kitana, Sonya, Cyrax, Freddy Kruger, Liu Kang
A+ tier: Reptile, Skarlet, Mileena, Sektor, Quan Chi, Scorpion, Rain, Shang Tsung (no transformation)
A tier: Kenshi, Johnny Cage, Ermac, Kano
B+ tier: Noob Saibot, Sheeva, Cyber Sub Zero, Jade, Sub Zero
B tier: Striker, Baraka, Sindel, Night Wolf

(note that I do think skarlet is S+, but someone needs to pick her up and show her fuckness)
S+= god
A= Mid
B= Low

 

[Briggs8417]

I don't like that mileena isn't't top tier, that's about it though.

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[Vulcan Hades]

Why do you feel Johnny Cage, Baraka and Sheeva are "worse" characters than Liu Kang and Jade?

 

[LEGEND]

THTB,

With all these discussions about top 5 and bottom 5, I decided to come up with my own personal tier list. I think a lot of people will be surprised at some of my placements lol.

Top: Kabal, Mileena, Freddy, Kitana, Sonya, Raiden, Jax, Kung Lao, Smoke, Shang Tsung
Middle: Sektor, Cyrax, Scorpion, Liu Kang, Quan Chi, Kenshi, Rain, Jade, Reptile, Skarlet, Sindel
Bottom: Ermac, Johnny Cage, Cyber Sub-Zero, Baraka, Sub-Zero, Kano, Nightwolf, Stryker, Noob, Sheeva

Opinions?

Krayzie's ermac makes me think he is middle tier

Xblade's lui kang makes me think he is top tier

other than that this list seems good to me. I've been saying Johhny and Sub were bottom tier for a while now, glad to see someone else with the same opinion

 

[Seapeople]

You've got to be expecting this so I'll go ahead and ask What puts Jade above so many characters for you?

I would definitely add Cyrax & Quan to top tier. Possibly even top 5 for both of them. That's just my opinion though.

 

[miloPKL]

very surprising placements! would read again

and lol at S+ tier. the tier groups in this should be S++ S+ S and S-. please use this tried and true scheme in future.

 

[rev0lver]

thtb just because you have your gay little elbow dash for cage's frametraps doesn't make him bottom tier.

*insert more generic disagreements and flames*

 

[Death]

Very Intresting. I like the topic. Can create some good discussion. I'll post mine as well and I would like to hear some opinions.

S: Kabal, Kitana, Sonya, Jax
A+: Raiden, Smoke, Kenshi, Mileena, Cyrax, Kung Lao, Freddy, Reptile
A: Shang Tsung, Cage, Liu Kang, Scorpion, Sektor, Ermac, Noob, Sub-Zero, Sindel, Rain
B: Cyber Sub, Nightwolf, Quan Chi, Baraka, Sheeva
C: Kano, Skarlet, Stryker, Jade

 

[THTB]

Why do you feel Johnny Cage, Baraka and Sheeva are worse characters than Liu Kang and Jade?

Liu Kang is surprisingly really, really strong. His zoning is really solid thanks to the general recovery on his fireballs, as well as possessing an air FB and a crouching FB. And his normals are some of the best set of normals I've ever seen from a character. Every normal/string of his that serves a purpose is generally 0 on block. He's an excellent character. Only reason he's not in my top tier is because of everyone else.

Jade...seriously, her normals are good for what they do...poke. She doesn't convert to big damage as easily as other characters, but seriously, her normals are very strong. Flash, when used properly, forces you to play at this particular range. Also, people don't realize how great of a wakeup tool flash actually is...it got a hell of a lot better after the latest patch, due to the increased invincibility on wakeup attacks. 10f of freedom to do whatever on wakeup? It's extremely good. Glow is self-explanatory. Jade has a lot of good shit that gets overlooked because not everything she does hits hard. Admittedly, her offense is weak, as well, but that's why I wouldn't put her that much higher up.

Cage reminds me of Gief...really, really scary when he's in your face, but it's kind of a shitfest getting there. Getting in on a number of characters is hard, because he basically is forced to rely on basic movement to get there. It's one of the same issues as Sheeva, only not really as bad.

Baraka's footsies game is really strong, and getting to his ideal range isn't as difficult to do anymore, but it's pretty much him not having enough advantage matchups.

Sheeva is dangerous when she's in, but if you think getting in with Cage is a pain in the ass, try Sheeva. When Baraka can basically keep you out for free, you know you got it bad (Not knocking Baraka, obviously). Also, her hitbox fucks up her defensive game majorly. She needs meter to solve a lot of problems, and doesn't get the opportunities to build it all that much without losing all her life in the process.

 

[Hitoshura]

Why do u think Noob is 2nd worst in the game

 

[THTB]

Just others are better. He's good...I don't think there's a single bad character. But too many characters are really good lol. His projectile's limitations and his low comeback factor come into play a lot.

 

[Hitoshura]

Just others are better. He's good...I don't think there's a single bad character. But too many characters are really good lol. His projectile's limitations and his low comeback factor come into play a lot.

I can agree with the comback factor but whats wrong with his projectiles...other than having shit recovery

 

[rev0lver]

Just others are better. He's good...I don't think there's a single bad character. But too many characters are really good lol. His projectile's limitations and his low comeback factor come into play a lot.

I think this is why people have been getting up in arms, they mistake bottom 5/bottom tier as being bad. No one is really saying their bottom 5 is full of shitty characters, it's just that certain characters have some better tools. This game is well designed enough that no one truly sucks, yet it'd be dishonest to say they're all equal.

 

[Salad Petresky]

I would say it is very hard to choose the bottom 5 because every character has their fuckness in this game

 

[THTB]

Exactly, rev0lver.

I can agree with the comback factor but whats wrong with his projectiles...other than having shit recovery

Startup-wise, they're excellent, obviously, and they travel fast enough to trade really often with other projectiles. But the recovery really hinders them for a number of reasons. The recovery prevents him from being able to throw a shadow and having it hit while he blocks a projectile that manages to get on screen. This makes it difficult for him to gain life leads on projectiles alone. It wouldn't be a problem if Noob's comeback factor wasn't so low. Keeping out is also a huge chore as a result, also.

The shadows are good at what they do, though, no denying that. The downsides work against how he's designed overall, though.

But yeah, as I've said before, all of the characters in MK9 are definitely not bad at all. In fact, this is one of the strongest rosters I've seen in a fighting game. It's not uncommon to see fighting games where the bottom tiers tend to have an absurd amount of 2-8 and 3-7 matchups. All of MK9's matchups have evolved to the point where 7-3 is the worst you can get, and it's a lot more scarce to find 7-3s than a lot of other games. And usually when they pop up, it's basically due to character designs being hard counters.

 

[Hitoshura]

Exactly, rev0lver.



Startup-wise, they're excellent, obviously, and they travel fast enough to trade really often with other projectiles. But the recovery really hinders them for a number of reasons. The recovery prevents him from being able to throw a shadow and having it hit while he blocks a projectile that manages to get on screen. This makes it difficult for him to gain life leads on projectiles alone. It wouldn't be a problem if Noob's comeback factor wasn't so low. Keeping out is also a huge chore as a result, also.

The shadows are good at what they do, though, no denying that. The downsides work against how he's designed overall, though.

*cough cough* HEY NRS YOU SEE THIS!!! YEAH FIX THIS!!!!

Ive been saying this for HOW LONG!?

 

[THTB]

Tbh, all they have to do is make tackle and slide do 10% and 9%, respectively. Boom, you fix the issue. Noob can land a few good trades, and get a well-placed teleslam, and he's good.

 

[Hitoshura]

Tbh, all they have to do is make tackle and slide do 10% and 9%, respectively. Boom, you fix the issue. Noob can land a few good trades, and get a well-placed teleslam, and he's good.

His tele-slam is already great enough. He needs his projectiles recovery to decrease when they hit like you said.

 

[THTB]

Idk, they travel way too fast to allow him to be able to hit then recover very fast. That'd be so fucked up if they gave that to him.

Noob was definitely designed to be a character who gets ridiculously cheap ways to hit you, including a fast projectile to either stuff your projectiles, or at least trade with them and a teleslam if you intentionally try to trade. They're fine with the recovery, but the damage needs upped for sure.

 

[Hitoshura]

Idk, they travel way too fast to allow him to be able to hit then recover very fast. That'd be so fucked up if they gave that to him.

Noob was definitely designed to be a character who gets ridiculously cheap ways to hit you, including a fast projectile to either stuff your projectiles, or at least trade with them and a teleslam if you intentionally try to trade. They're fine with the recovery, but the damage needs upped for sure.

thts the other problem. He does like no damage. Hes High risk low reward. Hes a solid character just needs like 1 or 2 tweaks to be perfect

 

[DanCock]

idk i personally dont think we need to make threads of "personal" tier lists.. itll turn into 5000 different people making tier lists. i think the 2 threads we have atm with the bottom 5 and top 5 are actually doing its job of coming up with a tier list..