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Tundra81

Kombatant
Anything Toyota brand I’ve ever owned has broken down on me, then again i was a dirtbag teenager who never took care of his shit, definitely could have played a part.
On my second Corolla and it's got 230k and I bought it brand new. I put 275 k on my first one and the only reason I got rid of it was because the body shit the bed. New England winter's amirite.

Sorry, didn't mean to de-rail the conversation.
 

DeftMonk

Warrior
@M.D. Bullshit it may be, you just sound like a broken record

Don't even come at me like I'm some online monster either. I just got top 8 at summer jam but ok, I don't know what I'm talking about.

If you wanna complain thats fine, but don't do it here, use your profile posts to waste space. I'm done with it bro. Nothing constructive here.



More posts like this. I like this



wow so unviable!!11

Whats funny is that you can improve that entire sequence. Good shit though
homie congrats #1. And #2 while im happy for you, I feel even tho ur doing well you would rather do it with a nutpunch cage. If I was you I would compete with that variation because atm its the better one for sure but... its like lao without hat spin/dive kick. You've been playing MK as long as me I am sure you also hope for a viable nutpunch variation.
 

Mikemetroid

Who hired this guy, WTF?
Lead Moderator
Has anyone labbed the MK2 Johnny variation? I might actually try him out when that variation is out I love the shadow uppercut lol
No point until the special move adjustments are made.


homie congrats #1. And #2 while im happy for you, I feel even tho ur doing well you would rather do it with a nutpunch cage. If I was you I would compete with that variation because atm its the better one for sure but... its like lao without hat spin/dive kick. You've been playing MK as long as me I am sure you also hope for a viable nutpunch variation.
Why? Shock Jock has zero utility compared to Show Stopper. Why would I want to risk my gameplan around a nut punch and have no damage? Show Stopper does lots of damage and still benefits from the same play style you would have to use with Shock Jock. The elbow and parry are useless and gimmicky as fuck.

I'm pretty optimistic that the new variation will be nice, but I still think Show Stopper will be my main variation. I believe it(MK2 Cage) will help play slower paced matches like vs Cetrion.
 

DeftMonk

Warrior
No point until the special move adjustments are made.



Why? Shock Jock has zero utility compared to Show Stopper. Why would I want to risk my gameplan around a nut punch and have no damage? Show Stopper does lots of damage and still benefits from the same play style you would have to use with Shock Jock. The elbow and parry are useless and gimmicky as fuck.

I'm pretty optimistic that the new variation will be nice, but I still think Show Stopper will be my main variation. I believe it(MK2 Cage) will help play slower paced matches like vs Cetrion.
No I am in 100% agreement after that last patch it became pretty obvious which variation was better. I just, I dunno its like saying MK without fatalities having no nutpunch johnny. Doesn't feel right to me. I really hope they give the other variation some love or some shit. No restand cage isn't cage imo.
 

Tundra81

Kombatant
The transition to Showstopper took me a little bit after the patch I'll admit, but once I fully committed I never looked back. Johnny without a nut punch does seem sacreligious but once you start seeing the results with Showstopper and what he can do, I don't miss nut punch one bit. I'm absolutely looking forward to Outtake though but I agree with Mike, Showstopper is nice AF and will most likely be the superior variation. Can't wait for the patch either way.
 

DrFolmer

AKA Uncle Kano
It is the better variation by miles. Tbh Shock Jock is kinda trash. All this Johnny talk now, killer combos when you're low hp, unbreakable damage - it's not there in SJ. I just had a long set with a good Sub and the f21 resets with camera combos are super dope IMO. The ability to enforce strike/throw mixups off every hit-confirm is absolutely dope. I'm still a Shock Jock player at heart tho. I have built my entire footsie game up around nut punch restands off basically all hits, and suddenly having to settle for knockdowns albeit with some more damage is just weird for me.

I think Shock Jock just feels better regardless of how obvious it is, that Show Stopper is where it's at atm. It feels so weird landing those stray hits when people jump. My muscle-memory just automatically does fucking camera endings after 5 2's in the corner LOL. It's so easy to get the most out of every stray hit in SJ due to the properties of NP. Also, I CANT PLAY WITHOUT MY DAMN D1 NP GIMMICKS
 
I never really got too much use out of the nut punch, it was only like +5 right? I would sometimes go for short hop overhead if I felt like they were going to respect. And lv 3 caged rage was pretty sick, an unblockable is always nice. But I've traded all that in for essentially Red Johnny ‍♀
 

thlityoursloat

kick kick
I never really got too much use out of the nut punch, it was only like +5 right? I would sometimes go for short hop overhead if I felt like they were going to respect. And lv 3 caged rage was pretty sick, an unblockable is always nice. But I've traded all that in for essentially Red Johnny ‍♀
I hate fucking restands because it triggers this absurd urge in most people to mash d2.
 

Tundra81

Kombatant
I know it's pointless to practice Outtake until tomorrow but just wanted to mess around with him regardless. Got a couple of cool Rising Star corner combos here.

Restand:

Damy (1 bar):

Nothing special and most likely not optimal. Amp RS ender does more damage than SK.
 

lionheart21

Its Game Over, Man
I know it's pointless to practice Outtake until tomorrow but just wanted to mess around with him regardless. Got a couple of cool Rising Star corner combos here.

Restand:

Damy (1 bar):

Nothing special and most likely not optimal. Amp RS ender does more damage than SK.
I don't have the framedata on hand right now since I'm out for the day and I can't go to the lab to check, but AMP Rising Star is also a safe combo ender for matchups where AMP Forceballs whiff since Rising Star is a mid and ends in an overhead when AMPed. Not sure if the framedata will be the same, though, since Rising Star is getting a slight nerf to its starting frames.
 
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Name v.5.0

Iowa's Finest.
Wtf am I supposed to do against really good Erron Blacks? Seriously. They abuse the whiffs like crazy. Bout ready to break my controller in half. Played 20 games and only won 6. When 124 completely whiffs I die a little inside.
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
I guess we should ask the people telling us to adapt.

I think they adapted to character select -> kabal/geras, but that's just a hunch.
 

lionheart21

Its Game Over, Man
Alright, checking the data on the AMP Rising Star. As of right now, there's no telling how this will change, but as it stands right now after cancelling out of the following combo starters:

121: -2
F4: -2
34: -2
F21: -2

You're also close enough that you can go right into a throw after.

On F344 and 244, the pushback from the mult-ikicks makes it so that the first hit will whiff, but the overhead will still connect and if blocked, its -3. Same goes with B34.
 

Tundra81

Kombatant
I know it's pointless to practice Outtake until tomorrow but just wanted to mess around with him regardless. Got a couple of cool Rising Star corner combos here.

Restand:

Damy (1 bar):

Nothing special and most likely not optimal. Amp RS ender does more damage than SK.
Yeeeaaahhh these are about as un-optimal as you get. I'm an idiot and a scrub. This is much better....

 

Rodney Quillz

Kombatant
Yeeeaaahhh these are about as un-optimal as you get. I'm an idiot and a scrub. This is much better....

Lmao I know this is off topic but for some reason I always find it hilarious when people teabag after their combos in practice mode, for some reason EVERYONE does it and nobody knows why.

Also I peeped how you made him look like mk2 Johnny.
 

Tundra81

Kombatant
Lmao I know this is off topic but for some reason I always find it hilarious when people teabag after their combos in practice mode, for some reason EVERYONE does it and nobody knows why.

Also I peeped how you made him look like mk2 Johnny.
Lol, JC's tbag kinda sucks in this one but I love rifeling crouch and the block button. It looks hilarious.
 

DeftMonk

Warrior
Wtf am I supposed to do against really good Erron Blacks? Seriously. They abuse the whiffs like crazy. Bout ready to break my controller in half. Played 20 games and only won 6. When 124 completely whiffs I die a little inside.
Eb also makes f344 whiff. Pick another char vs him.