What would you do if you are in charge of the balance patch?

ColdSpine · Aug 6, 2019

Remove the fb ability to recharge on whiff, who thought this was a good idea?

oh and remove scorpion from the game

SixPathsOfHate · Aug 6, 2019

REMOVE 50/50 GRABS.
Seriously, whoever made that mechanic and thought it would be alright needs to get fatality'd by Kronika cause thats some real stupid shit. Didnt people hate that MKX was 50/50 hell? At least with those you can react to those. You cant react to a left/right grab when their is no difference in animation.
The other thing is making fatal blows cost 2 bars of offensive meter.

Tsung36 · Aug 6, 2019

Nerf geras, erron, sonya and scorpion (especially scorpion so I can fight someone different online)

Buff the shit out of Shao Kahn and Kotal

mastermalone · Aug 6, 2019

Ramichaura1 said:
If i was in charge of the patch i would make those changes:

for Jacqui i would have her cancels cost a defense bar and -5 on the cancels. He dash punch is punishable and her kicks are -26 on block

That is currently the main thing for now. What would you do?

Jackie's cancels are free because they are normals that do not leave her so negative on block, unlike a risky special move, i.e. Scorpion's teleport cancel which without it leaves him wide open for counter attacks.

1st Round KO Jacqui is by design, a pure rush down character. She has no fire balls, no trap moves and no true unblockable grapples. She has to get in on you to be effective. If it costs her meter to break your guard after working so hard to get in, then what good is that variation?

mastermalone · Aug 6, 2019

I would say buff the low tiers and fix the hitbox issues. Nerfing just makes the game not fun to play. Nerf only where it is needed for truly broken mechanics. Also, consider making custom variations tournament legal. It already has a balancing algorithm in place. Tweak it if some move combinations prove to be overwhelming.

Elias6999 · Aug 6, 2019

I would not change Jacqui. I can work with her cancels just fine, yeah she’s powerful, but she has clear weaknesses (zoning) that could stop her from using her strongest tools against you. Perfectly designed.

Kind of a hot take, but I would make Kabal’s F224 more negative on block, especially since it leads to a 50/50 in one of his variations. I would also make Geras’s 50/50 and F212 more unsafe, and decrease the damage of his KBs, they are too oppressive right now.

Other changes:

Decreased block adv of Jade’s air glaive.
Jade’s ground glaives EX Jails properly.
Jade’s B12 -7 or so, keep the gap.
Increased recovery on Scorpion’s tele cancel and no ex on block.
Sub Zero’s F2 startup increased to 24 or so.
Sonya has increased damage scaling after B124.
Sonya’s rings made slower in terms of startup and recovery.
Erron scud cancels do not keep him safe anymore, he should commit to his 50/50, he should recover from scud cancels slower.
Erron F4 EX has 0 pushback.
Erron’s puddle damage is halved (lol).
Make Frost’s B1 a faster, more advancing reliable mid.
Frost’s whiffing issues.
Johnny’s whiffing issues.
Kitana B23 now a string.
Kitana should be able to EX her air fan for faster recovery so that she can convert .
Fix Kitana’s useless projectile parry, let it recover faster, let her hold it, and make the buff last longer.
Fix the fan tornado move having different properties depending what side of the screen you are on.
Cassie’s F4 is 11 frames, -2 on block.
Make Cassie’s Yaas Queen combos a bit easier and less tight.
Fix Liu Kang’s F4 insane range.
Baraka’s F4 is -5 or -4.
Fix Noob’s whiffing issues.

I don’t really know how they should buff Kotal and Shao, i’ll leave that in the hands of the Kahn mains, although I do think Shao is pretty underrated.

EDIT: extra changes:

Sonya EX rings decreased pushback.
Kitana 2nd hit EX fans mid and safer, around -5 or so.
Skarlet’s 124 gap removed.
FIX DUMB KRUSHING BLOWS.
CHANGE ERRON CETRION FROST KABAL AND GERAS DUMB FATAL BLOWS.
Normalize some pokes.

Thank yeewwww

SinkFla · Aug 6, 2019

I was going to post a long list but MKF went ham lmao.

I say leave most low/mid tiers where they are with possibly a few slight improvements (especially bottom of barrel), and normalize the top tiers without completely taking a gargantuan shit on them.

Geras: (please if you think this ruins him I'm all ears)
Increased damage scaling on Bed of Spikes when done in a combo
F2,2,1+3 KB Damage slightly reduced
Sandtrap CHOP SLAP BAM THANK YOU MAY I HAVE ANOTHER KB Damage reduced to an even 30%
1,1,1 -9 on block
F2,1,2 -5 on block
D1 now 8 frame SU
Freezing Motherfuckers in time now lasts 2-3 frames shorter

Sonya (don't play her so I'm a little unfamilar TBH):
Orbital Drop now registers as a proper projectile and characters can negate it with certain specials
Leg Breaker startup now 20f
Air Control DB2 now has increased damage scaling in combos

Erron Whack:
D1 now has 7f SU
F3 hit advantage now 9f
21212 damage reduced to 10
21 now has 10f SU
F2,1 can now be special cancelled (buff)
F3,2 now -7 on block
Locked and Loaded now has 7 bullets
TNT startup and active frames reduced (buff)
In B222, on block there is a gap between the last two 2's (flawless blocking can be done)
Zaterran Spit now lasts 1 tick slower

I'll have to work on the rest later. Those don't seem... that bad huh?

Elias6999 · Aug 6, 2019

SinkFla said:
I was going to post a long list but MKF went ham lmao.

I say leave most low/mid tiers where they are with possibly a few slight improvements (especially bottom of barrel), and normalize the top tiers without completely taking a gargantuan shit on them.

Geras: (please if you think this ruins him I'm all ears)
Increased damage scaling on Bed of Spikes when done in a combo
F2,2,1+3 KB Damage slightly reduced
Sandtrap CHOP SLAP BAM THANK YOU MAY I HAVE ANOTHER KB Damage reduced to an even 30%
1,1,1 -9 on block
F2,1,2 -5 on block
D1 now 8 frame SU
Freezing Motherfuckers in time now lasts 2-3 frames shorter

Sonya (don't play her so I'm a little unfamilar TBH):
Orbital Drop now registers as a proper projectile and characters can negate it with certain specials
Leg Breaker startup now 20f
Air Control DB2 now has increased damage scaling in combos

Erron Whack:
D1 now has 7f SU
F3 hit advantage now 9f
21212 damage reduced to 10
21 now has 10f SU
F2,1 can now be special cancelled (buff)
F3,2 now -7 on block
Locked and Loaded now has 7 bullets
TNT startup and active frames reduced (buff)
Scud Shot now cost 1 defensive bar when shooting enemy proj.
Zaterran Spit now lasts 1 tick slower

I'll have to work on the rest later. Those don't seem... that bad huh?

For Erron, Scud shot taking defensive meter might be a bit too much lol. Just increase its recovery so he cant cancel into it for free without committing to anything he does.

SinkFla · Aug 6, 2019

Elias6999 said:
For Erron, Scud shot taking defensive meter might be a bit too much lol. Just increase its recovery so he cant cancel into it for free without committing to anything he does.

Yeah I can see that. I'm just thinking that would even hurt him more in the long run seeing as B222 into Scud Shot cancel is widely used even moreso than it actually doing its intended purpose haha.

Edit: I took that out and I think tweaking B222 would be a better, less crucial nerf.

Hellbringer · Aug 6, 2019

If i was in charge of balance patch i would remove the block button and make it back to block so the ppl that cry about scorpion teleport can cry even harder.

exflyingbooty · Aug 6, 2019

You know what, add rolls as a midscreen option and not just an option on knockdown. I think that would make the game a lot more interesting and fun.

SinkFla · Aug 6, 2019

exflyingbooty said:
You know what, add rolls as a midscreen option and not just an option on knockdown. I think that would make the game a lot more interesting and fun.

I'm fucking A-Okay with this.

EarlyReflections · Aug 6, 2019

Ι would add an option

"Disable FB's and KB's"

And see how could that play out.

LawAbidingCitizen · Aug 6, 2019

I'd fix the following now:

Hitbox issues
Krushing blow requirements
WiFi filter on ranked
Ability to decline above 100ms
3rd tournament variation or customs allowed in a new ranked mode with FT3

See where everyone falls on the tiers before buffing or nerfing.

Tony at Home · Aug 6, 2019

Nerf Jade as punishment for the community asking for a safe bf2

LawAbidingCitizen · Aug 6, 2019

Enexemander said:
Fix hitboxes, equalize brushing blows, equalize combo damage (severe scaling so no regular string + extender does much more than 30%).
Every variation has access to a combo extender.
And finally, we take the training wheels off and make customs tournament legal.

I agree with most of your suggestions. I'd want combos to do 30% not 25% and I do think KB's that don't involve combos should do 20% instead of 30% like geras's 1111+3 KB should do less.

But I don't think there is a one size fits all solution. Some KB's need better requirements(Johnny, Noob ect) , some need more damage (Scarlet), Some need less damage (Geras, Sonya, Baraka ect)
Hitboxes need fixes across the board almost every character has hitbox issues, some are too strong while others Wiff randomly and I feel they should be adjusted accordingly no matter the character tier placement.

Custom's unlocked would be awesome and I feel it would make the game so much better and free characters creativity.

Fatal Blows need to be normalized, somewhere in the middle where everyone can use them but they don't shut down neutral from full screen and I don't Like them being unreactable. But this is optional and I feel they should be one use per match.

If Hitboxes and KB's where addressed I think we may not need to buff characters I can see a ton I'd characters being A tier with just that. But see how it changes them and buff accordingly.

Online experience:

FT3 ranked option
Option to filter WiFi
Ability to decline ping above 100ms in ranked
Custom Ranked mode

Throws:
Add an additional 4 frames to tech throws. I'm fine with the guess because there are universal options to beat both like: Backdash, short hop, Neutral Jump, Jump Forward crossover, Jump Back, walk back, Duck, D2 KB ect that beat throws so its more of a read and the meta is Throw/Strike instead of MKX's HTB blockstuns and constant 50/50 pressure. But having a slightly larger window to tech would be great and I feel many would stop complaining. I can tech or get failed message like 99% of the time meaning I'm pressing the button on the right time every time on reaction. And I feel high level players always do so it couldn't hurt to make it easier for some players to tech.

MKF30 · Aug 6, 2019

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"His second variation I'd get rid of his cold shoulder and slide and replace it with the clone for a more defensive style"

OH HELL FUCKING NO

That's a lot of dots. You're right, Cage is totally fine as is lol

Clone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cold Shoulder

EMPRESS_SunFire said:
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I know some folks will disagree and that's fine but hey I'd make her better at the end of the day, Kitana mains would be happy but if you're good with how she is now. lol

Dreamcatcher said:
Holy shit, is that all? Lol jk

Yeah hahaha.

stokedAF · Aug 6, 2019

I would put it in a real patch like a nicotine patch so you fiends can dump it directly into your blood stream.

Vslayer · Aug 6, 2019

Add more combo paths for every character.

Marlow · Aug 6, 2019

Give every character at least 2 launchers.

NickDaGreek1983 · Aug 6, 2019

-FIRSTLY, allow kustom variations in every mode AND/OR add a 3rd variation.

-Make Scorpion's and Erron's stuff more unsafe, Jackie's cancels now cost defensive meter, Geras' D1 one frame slower, change something with Liu's shaolin stance in order for it to be sth more than a gimmick (add more offensive options) and make his F2 a mid.

EDIT: Add one or 2 more strings per character.
Some more Stages/missions for the tower mode would benice too.
And pit fatalities?...

STB Sgt Reed · Aug 6, 2019

Let's see:

Universal:

Change all KB requirements to Kounter/Punish or Number of hits in a combo. Lower the damage on them just slightly.
Fatal Blows now are gone once used, doesn't matter if it hits, is blocked, or whiffs completely. 1 per game. You use it, it's gone.

Character Specific:
Sub Zero: Remove F24 string entirely. Give him a 9 frame mid and better way to combo rather than cross over kick. 2 new variations with better combination of specials.

Sonya: Reduce her overall damage. Slow down her projectile speed. Maybe remove the amped version. You're either a zoner or a rushdown, not both dammit!

Erron Black: Remove scud shot/cancel. Increase start up frames on Fatal Blow. F4 no longer has an amped version and is no longer safe on block, it's actually death on block.

Geras: D1 increased to 8 frames. Jumping attack hitboxes significantly reduced. Welcome to being vulnerable to AAs.

Cassie: F4 is more negative on block. Low shot has more recovery frames on block.

Cetrion: More recovery on whiffed normals. Nerf speed of teleport to be more in line with Skarlet's. Nerf backdash.

Kitana: New variation combinations for both variations.

Johnny Cage: Fix hitboxes and give new KBs (aka no KB on F43) to go along with the universal KB change.

Jade: Fix hitboxes on staff normals (aka no more jumping through her staff). B12 and F41 are no longer death on block.

Idk what the following characters need, but I would buff the absolute fuck out of them:

Kotal Kahn
Shao Kahn
Raiden

They deserve to reflect their badass/godly statuses.

Final Note:
- Delete Frost from the game entirely. Replace her with one of the following: Kenshi, Havik, Fujin, Cyrax, Sektor, Smoke, Ermac, Reptile, Rain.

DanCock · Aug 6, 2019

get rid of set variations and allow us to kustomize on the fly on the select screen in all MODES of play.
fix the un intended hit box issues, if they were intended then leave them alone.
follow reos nerf ideas for the top tiers.
speed up the walk speeds for some of these characters like kitana and kotal (i could be wrong, but they just seem so slow O_O)

stokedAF · Aug 6, 2019

NickDaGreek1983 said:
And pit fatalities?...

Yeah wtf?! How is there no pit in this game?? I mean they made the stage, my boy Ermac is rotting at the bottom.

NaughtySenpai · Aug 6, 2019

Dreamcatcher said:
Holy shit, is that all? Lol jk

That's why he's so bad and mad at the game. Instead of learning it he writes the bible with shit opinions that nobody reads more than the first paragraph of.

iamtheLoBo · Aug 6, 2019

Fix hitboxes.

What would you do if you are in charge of the balance patch?

"I wore those colors before you"

Make triple skulls input BDF or DF Hold F

Noob

Use only logic, please

Use only logic, please

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Fujin and Ermac for MK 11

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Oh, my days !

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