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Kim Jong Il Is No More.

smokey

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Exactly. PREPARE FOR INVASION!
His son is a fat mad bastard. Although i dont think he is actually heir, because Kim Jong Il's father was the "immortal leader" and according to Kim Jong Il lives on the moon, and he often went to visit him, travelling on flying tigers.

I dont even think Kim Jong Il was the rightful leader, because his "immortal" father never died to pass it down.

Some of the shit you can read about kim on the internet is hilarious. He invented the hamburger apparently.
 

Dark_Rob

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Very few people realize just how dangerous this bill is. Despite what the government propaganda says it is exactly how its read. The govenrment can detain anyone they feel like, for as long as they want. The caveat that its for detaining suspected terrorists is bullshit. Tell me what defines a "suspected" terrorist officially in the governments eyes? Do you know? Do I know? Does anyone know? Does some teenager doing a book report about the bombing of Hiroshima get flagged because he looked up information about the atomic bomb on the internet? I dont know. Do you? Does anyone?
The transition from Republic to dictatotship can happen in an instant, and many of us wouldnt even realize it. Watch for it.
 

Flagg

Noob
And yes i knew who he is and what he did, he made north korea drown in famine, and hunger, he made his country dress up all pretty when high ranking foreigners visited him and then left em to die after they departed, but still im sorry if i don't rejoice in his death, im not the kind to crack a smile to someones death im sorry.
I know he really was a sick sob, but i've learned to not condemn people just because super durper fox news says a person is a threat so that's why im not too quick to judge someone, 99% of americans didn't know osama was on a hardcore dialysis treatment in 04'...and he was supposedly killed this year? watchu talking bout willis!?!

And catch, clarament dice caraecrika no caraechocha, se t paso la mano pa.
Only idiots follow and believe anything Faux News has to say, but the guy was crazy and worse, unstable with a nuclear arsenal at his disposal. But it's easy for me, it's easy for you, to pass whatever judgement we like on this guy but the fact is we have never lived in North Korea and a citizen there is in a better position to say how they feel, providing they wouldn't be terrified of speaking the truth.

And like Tim said, his crackpot son will soon be taking over the reigns.

@Sasaga , really...do you believe the life of every single human on this planet is precious? Tell that to the citizens of Egypt, or the citizens of Libya, the citizens of any oppressed regime on this planet. What you're basically saying is, you would rather a tyrant lived and the people under him lived in terror, fear and ignomy than said Tyrant dying and the people having hope that their lives will change for the better.

[MENTION=2340]gdf[/MENTION], news flash, the world isn't about the USA all the time. His being meant that 100's of thousands of Koreans have lived miserable lives, so yes..i would say in North Korea at least, there wasn't one shred of humanity there. South Korea and Japan constantly lived in fear that this fruit loop would fire a nuke at their countries. How would you feel if Mexico or Canada were ruled by a completely insane ruler with a nuclear arsenal at his disposal?
 

Name v.5.0

Iowa's Finest.
His son is a fat mad bastard. Although i dont think he is actually heir, because Kim Jong Il's father was the "immortal leader" and according to Kim Jong Il lives on the moon, and he often went to visit him, travelling on flying tigers.

I dont even think Kim Jong Il was the rightful leader, because his "immortal" father never died to pass it down.

Some of the shit you can read about kim on the internet is hilarious. He invented the hamburger apparently.

Yes...This and the fact that he couldnt really invade us. Not without winning the Mortal Kombat tournament 10 times.
 

NariTuba

disMember
He invented the hamburger apparently.
My firend went to north corea with a delegation visiting Pyongyang. They were escorted by a smiling north korean faithful at all times of course. At one point they enter a HUGE library; and the korean escort says:

"this is the library, every book in here was written by the great leader"

my friend and the rest of the delegation look at eachother wide-eyed, then she says:

"but there are THOUSANDS of books here!"

the korean escort responds while sustaining his smile:

"thats how great the great leader is"
 

smokey

EX Ovi should launch
My firend went to north corea with a delegation visiting Pyongyang. They were escorted by a smiling north korean faithful at all times of course. At one point they enter a HUGE library; and the korean escort says:

"this is the library, every book in here was written by the great leader"

my friend and the rest of the delegation look at eachother wide-eyed, then she says:

"but there are THOUSANDS of books here!"

the korean escort responds while sustaining his smile:

"thats how great the great leader is"
You can google maps his residence and from satalite view you can see his multiple waterslides.
 

gdf

Noob
[MENTION=2340]gdf[/MENTION], news flash, the world isn't about the USA all the time. His being meant that 100's of thousands of Koreans have lived miserable lives, so yes..i would say in North Korea at least, there wasn't one shred of humanity there. South Korea and Japan constantly lived in fear that this fruit loop would fire a nuke at their countries. How would you feel if Mexico or Canada were ruled by a completely insane ruler with a nuclear arsenal at his disposal?
I wasn't being sarcastic when I quoted you. Just so that we are clear.

And I had hoped that I would have gotten out of this without a tongue-lashing, I guess I was wrong.

I am not sure what you mean when talking to mean about the world isn't about USA all the time.

Additionally, yeah I can see that he was an ass to everyone who was subjugated to his rule, but when I stated my first post, I meant, why should be be dancing around, with a smile on my face that someone is dead?
Should I be ever so happy that he is dead? No.

I should be happy that his dictatorial rule is over and that North Korea has the possibility of seeing a better tomorrow. (Which could have been solved without his death, if he were a reasonable man, ever. Obviously this didn't happen. Relying on ifs and could'ves are a waste of time.) And the only way that could happen is his death, therefore his dictatorial rule is over.

But I don't know what I can say now that will not cause me to be viewed as a complete and utter moron to the rest of the community at this point anymore.
Because with the track record I've had, I've not met one person on a forum who could agree to disagree. Someone always harbors some sort of ill will. I'm not assuming you will, and I hope you can shut me down and prove me wrong about typical forum behavior.

And to top this all off, I don't feel safe when any country has nuclear weapons, mine or otherwise.
 

Sasuga

Noob
@Sasaga , really...do you believe the life of every single human on this planet is precious? Tell that to the citizens of Egypt, or the citizens of Libya, the citizens of any oppressed regime on this planet.
Whether I believe life is precious or not, I simply don't celebrate the deaths of people. You imply that life isn't precious; wouldn't that justify oppression?

What you're basically saying is, you would rather a tyrant lived and the people under him lived in terror, fear and ignomy than said Tyrant dying and the people having hope that their lives will change for the better.
That doesn't even come close to what I was saying. I don't think it up to anyone to decide who deserves to die or who deserves anything for that matter. It's that way of thinking that gives rise to tyranny and oppression in the first place.
 

smokey

EX Ovi should launch
And here we have all these caring loving folk who think life is precious and all that and all of the sudden

FATALITY!

You celebrate the idea of peoples lives ending every time you play mortal kombat.

Realise what Kim Jong Il did. I dont in any way make a point of celebrating peoples deaths, but this guy really had it coming.
 

xenogorgeous

.... they mostly come at night. Mostly.
Every dictator, tyrant leader, and asshole chief in charge commander will burn in hell , sooner or later ... Gaddafi went first this year, now it's time for this korean one gonna get his ass fried there ....

Every leader that cut off people freedom, should have no remorse wasted when finally die ....
 

smokey

EX Ovi should launch
some people who die deserve life. some people who live deserve death.
This is one of those rare cases of course when an absolute bastard gets what he deserved. This is without a doubt a good thing, and yes i am happy he died.
 

gdf

Noob
And here we have all these caring loving folk who think life is precious and all that and all of the sudden
FATALITY!
You celebrate the idea of peoples lives ending every time you play mortal kombat.
Realise what Kim Jong Il did. I dont in any way make a point of celebrating peoples deaths, but this guy really had it coming.
I'm not going to lie, I can't say that I didn't expect this.

I don't even know how to respond though, it seems pretty cut and dry. Similarly to the "Do video games make people do bad things" debate.
 

Sasuga

Noob
And here we have all these caring loving folk who think life is precious and all that and all of the sudden

FATALITY!

You celebrate the idea of peoples lives ending every time you play mortal kombat.

Realise what Kim Jong Il did. I dont in any way make a point of celebrating peoples deaths, but this guy really had it coming.
Videogame vs Reality.... Those are not actual people getting killed, I hope you see the difference.
 

smokey

EX Ovi should launch
I very much see the difference. This was half trolling and half truthful though because in no way do i agree with you. Kim Jong Il is much better off dead, and im betting that most of the people under his rule will feel the same way.

Im not hating on you or disrespecting you if thats what you think, but i really do NOT agree that any remorse should be felt about this guys death. If ONE time in your lives you make an exception to your views, this should be it.
 

Sasuga

Noob
This is one of those rare cases of course when an absolute bastard gets what he deserved. This is without a doubt a good thing, and yes i am happy he died.
You come off as any other religious person, convinced that his view of what is good and bad is the only truth and that people should die because of it.

I very much see the difference. This was half trolling and half truthful though because in no way do i agree with you. Kim Jong Il is much better off dead, and im betting that most of the people under his rule will feel the same way.

Im not hating on you or disrespecting you if thats what you think, but i really do NOT agree that any remorse should be felt about this guys death. If ONE time in your lives you make an exception to your views, this should be it.
I never said anyone should feel remorse, just that death should not be celebrated.

I'm not hating on anyone either. I just hope I've made a point.
 

smokey

EX Ovi should launch
This is my view and i will defend it, I didnt mean to stir up an argument as obviously people dont agree with me, i respect your views, you are good people and i too dont make a point of celebrating death, this however is my exception.

A post earlier stating that his reign ending was a good thing, but him dying was not (i would quote but ive already started writing now). I can not disagree more. Not only was this person mad beyond medical help, he was heartless and selfish and did terrible things to lots of people which none of them rightly deserved.

To put it simpler, this man not only deserved to die, it would have been alot better if he was never born in the first place and many lives would have been a hell of alot better without him.

I hope i cleared things up for you.

I also dont think his son should be the rightful heir, as he is also mad, and shares the same mindset as his late father and i hope that his reign ends prematurely for the good of the worlds people.


EDIT:
Additionally, yeah I can see that he was an ass to everyone who was subjugated to his rule, but when I stated my first post, I meant, why should be be dancing around, with a smile on my face that someone is dead?
Should I be ever so happy that he is dead? No.

I should be happy that his dictatorial rule is over and that North Korea has the possibility of seeing a better tomorrow. (Which could have been solved without his death, if he were a reasonable man, ever. Obviously this didn't happen. Relying on ifs and could'ves are a waste of time.) And the only way that could happen is his death, therefore his dictatorial rule is over.

But I don't know what I can say now that will not cause me to be viewed as a complete and utter moron to the rest of the community at this point anymore.
Because with the track record I've had, I've not met one person on a forum who could agree to disagree. Someone always harbors some sort of ill will. I'm not assuming you will, and I hope you can shut me down and prove me wrong about typical forum behavior.

And to top this all off, I don't feel safe when any country has nuclear weapons, mine or otherwise.
- GDF
 

gdf

Noob
A post earlier stating that his reign ending was a good thing, but him dying was not (i would quote but ive already started writing now). I can not disagree more. Not only was this person mad beyond medical help, he was heartless and selfish and did terrible things to lots of people which none of them rightly deserved.
It was me, and paraphrasing can cause some losses in translation. So-to-speak.

I didn't say him dying was not a good thing for North Korea and the world for that matter. I said I won't be happy because of his death.
I'm not sad either, I just stated in my first post that I couldn't bring myself to be happy about this.

I probably should have said that right off the bat with my first post.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
whoa look at happy, cheery, optimistic boxyrobot transformed into a blood fiend by his culture...

shoutouts to nationalism
Noooo, my friend. I think American culture's a clusterfuck, and I've never been big on nationalism or fiending for blood.
I just think he was one of the biggest monsters in the history of humanity, so it kind of gives me a little bit of ease knowing he's out of the picture, even though now we have to deal with his offspring...not exactly happy-dance elated, but definitely not sad. Im not one to wish death on anybody, but how's somebody supposed to feel when, for lack of better words, evil is vanquished, yknow?

But y'know who probably IS happier than a motherfucker about it? Obama.
Think about it. He hasn't even hit the last year of his term yet, and Bin Laden, Gadafhi AND Il are all gone under his watch.
Dubya's never gonna hear the end of this one...


Very few people realize just how dangerous this bill is. Despite what the government propaganda says it is exactly how its read. The govenrment can detain anyone they feel like, for as long as they want. The caveat that its for detaining suspected terrorists is bullshit. Tell me what defines a "suspected" terrorist officially in the governments eyes? Do you know? Do I know? Does anyone know? Does some teenager doing a book report about the bombing of Hiroshima get flagged because he looked up information about the atomic bomb on the internet? I dont know. Do you? Does anyone?
The transition from Republic to dictatotship can happen in an instant, and many of us wouldnt even realize it. Watch for it.
This. All of this. WAY more concerning than dead dictators. Jesus.
 

smokey

EX Ovi should launch
It was me, and paraphrasing can cause some losses in translation. So-to-speak.

I didn't say him dying was not a good thing for North Korea and the world that matter. I said I won't be happy because of his death.
I'm not sad either, I just stated in my first post that I couldn't bring myself to be happy about this.

I probably should have said that right off the bat with my first post.
Sorry about that, hope i didn't misrepresent your opinions in any way (if so i can go back and quote it for anyone reading ?)

As now i see you are not sad either i can only disagree with you so much. You as such may not be Happy about the death of another human being, be it religeous views, upbringing, or any reason not that it matters, but you must share some joy in the fact that a terrible person can no longer cause harm to undeserving people. All of the people that are better off, do you not share in their happiness?

Like i stated already, i dont make a point of being happy when people die, ive had losses of family and friends and its definitely not happy, but this is my exception, and i may just sound like a dick to you, but him being dead is a good thing, and for that fact i will be happy.
 

Sasuga

Noob
@smokey : I understand what you are saying. It's not that I necessarily disagree with you. I just don't think that the world wil become a better place with the death of an individual, regardless of how much power they have. It is the mindset, as you say his son also has, that would make life better for everyone, if it ceased existing.

But how do you know his death was a good thing? Maybe things will only get worse for the Koreans.
 

smokey

EX Ovi should launch
[MENTION=7336]smokey[/MENTION]: I understand what you are saying. It's not that I necessarily disagree with you. I just don't think that the world wil become a better place with the death of an individual, regardless of how much power they have. It is the mindset, as you say his son also has, that would make life better for everyone, if it ceased existing.
I know what your trying to say, but should they shoot him, lock him up , send him to space, or god knows what, the point is that SOMETHING has been done, and people are happier because of it.

If he had been locked up instead, there would be a huge debate about whether or not he deserves the death penalty and all that, and you already know what side of the fence im on.


EDIT: I already know he died of natural causes and wasnt condemned to death, i was giving an example, but should he have been shot or something i still believe it was for the best