just because i dont play the character it doesnt mean i dont know the tools the character has or how he is played. In fact I played him for awhile pre patch and I realized just how gimmicky he really is. Are you a robin main because if not by your logic you dont know anything
I have a hard time believing that the only thing that should determine tiers are MUs. If we look at it that way then supergirl would clearly be the best character in the game by a mile and shed be ridiculously op. While she is good, I wouldnt say she is the clear, best character in the game like the MUs suggest. Also keep in mind no MU is truly 5-5 6-4 4-6 or whatever. I feel it should be a mixture of how good and useful the tools they have are and their MUs.
This actually had me laughing. But the truth still remains that i dont think darkseid is top five. Anybody who declines my opinion on the matter is simply because they lose to him and dont understand what strong neutral is or in this case the character struggles against him.
Not how it works. You could have a MU spread of all 5-5s but if you have no favorable matchups that is taken into account. If a character has 2 losing MUs but 6 or 7 7-3 MUs they are better than a character with all 5-5 MUs. MUs have always and will always determine tier list because at the end of the day the usefulness of their tools doesn't matter if they lose a bunch of MUs.
Lol wut, this is how tier lists have always worked. You can't have 8 bad MUs and be top tier in the current meta (unless you have a bunch of 8-2s and 7-3s which I don't think anybody does). If you have more than a handful of bad MUs you can hardly be put in the same tier as characters with none.
No she wouldn't. Take Deadshot for example. Supergirl goes even with most of the cast whereas Deadshot beats much more characters. The trade-off is that SG loses to 1 character while DS loses to like 2-3. But who's the better character? The one with a bunch of 5-5s or the one with more 6-4s and a couple 4-6s? It's debatable.
You've misunderstood me.
You're right. My bad for misunderstanding.
Right, what most tier lists do is take the winning number in MU numbers, such as the 6 in a 6-4 MU, and add up all of those numbers. Whoever has the highest total, is the best character or top tier. This is most objective way to do it. The arguments really come down to determining whether or not a. MU is 6-4, 7-3, or 8-2. While the numbers themselves can be arbitrary, they are important for determining the tier list accurately. So once a consensus is reached, that's the MU number that sticks.
Deadshot'a neutral is good tho, his wrist cannon is a good tool in the neutral since it makes people try to jump or do something else about it.
His zoning is great, he doesn't need a neutral when he has trait out, his mix-ups are grat, he gets good damage, he has a good wake-up. He is top 5 easily
I meant Darkseid, hehe.
You haven't played a good one then.
I do agree with most of what you said, even so though I think he's just on the verge of S tier. Whether that's 'top 5' or not is debatable but he's definitely up there with the likes of Batman, Adam, Catwoman, etc. His MU chart is pretty good from where I'm standing and he only loses a handful of MUs.
Yeah but even if you're not OTGing you're still punished badly if you're wrong. The best players will backdash os out of 223/22 scoop and full combo the gap in between b1 breath. Even in the corner he's a pretty honest character unless you want to just be a complete maniac.
Look at it this way Darkseid was right out of top 5 last patch and 7 of the too tiers last patch were nerfed so he is automatically better.
But I need to SEE results, last patch sonic got put into losers because of darkseid. And I don't see darkseid in majors at all ever since this patch. Only knicks and even though I think he's a good player, watching home town heroes that day just made me realize that gross and nubcakes did not know the mu.
I think knicks will do well at eleague. Let's wait till then. In this case knicks is carrying darkseid's rep on his shoulders. I honestly couldn't think of a better person to rep darkseid's random maniac style better than knicks. So if he gets absolutely schlopped up at eleague (unlikely) because people blow up the Seid's weaknesses then I guess we'll have a better understanding of where exactly he is on lists like this.