General/Other - Cassie Cage MKX Myth Buster: Cassie's Safe Meterless 50/50

[Scott The Scot]

There's a nasty rumour going around that at the correct spacing Cassie can make her 50/50 safe. People would space it so that on hit the flip would launch the opponent whereas on block the flip would whiff and make Cassie safe.

Thank you to @Youphemism for going through ever character and listing everything that every character can punish with. Great work, buddy!

WRONG! Here's a list of characters that can punish it:
--- Alien ---
Run~F4, run~1, run~B1, run~F1, run~F2, F3, B3, DB3/DB3EX, DF3EX, BF1/BF1EX,
Acidic: (except max distance) DB2
Tarkatan: BF2, B2, run~2,

--- Bo Rai Cho ---
Run~D4, BF4/BF4EX, DD4/DD4EX (not jumpable but backdashable)
Bartitsu: Run~D4, run~F1 (but surprise surprise you're out of range for a full combo), BF4 (only second hit hits), DB2/DB2EX (full combo ayy)
Drunken Master: Drunk only - BF3/BF3EX, DF2EX (level 3 only),

--- Cassie ---
Run~B1, run~B2, run~2, run~1, run~F2, BF1EX,
Hollywood: Instant air gunshots,

--- D'Vorah ---
Run~F1, run~1, run~2, run~F4

--- Ermac ---
Run~F4, run~F2, run~B1, run~2, DB1
Master of Souls: BF2/BF2EX (closest distance only)
Mystic: BF2/BF2EX
Spectral: BF2/BF2EX

--- Erron Black ---
Run~2, run~1, run~F1, run~F2, run~F3, F4, BF4/BF4EX, DBF2/DBF2EX (best hit reaction ever lol)

--- Ferra/Torr ---
Run~2, run~1, run~B1, DB2/DB2EX (Non-Lackey), BF2/BF2EX (Non-Lackey)
Lackey: run~BF2/run~BF2EX
Vicious: BF4/BF4EX

--- Goro ---
Run~F3 (pretty much frame perfect)
Kuatan Warrior: BF2/BF2EX, DD4EX (guaranteed)

--- Jacqui ---
Run~1, run~F1, run~4, run~4U4, BF1/BF1EX, BF2/BF2EX,
Full Auto: DF2/DF2MB
Shotgun: DB2/DB2EX

--- Jason ---
Run~B1 (non-Slasher), B122 (the second hit punishes, non-Slasher), BF3/BF3EX

--- Jax ---
Run~F3 (exc max distance), run~1 (exc max distance), run~F2 (exc max distance), BF2/BF2EX, BF2D/BF2DEX (exc. max distance), xray
Heavy Weapons: BF3/BF3EX

--- Johnny ---
Run~F3, BF4/BF4EX

--- Kano ---
Run~F4, run~2, run~1, run~B1, instant air BF3, BF3, DF2/DF2EX, xray
Cutthroat: run~F2, DB1/DB1EX
Cybernetic: DF2/DF2EX

--- Kenshi ---
Run~B1, run~2 (tight), xray
Balanced: BF2/BF2EX, BF3/BF3EX
Kenjutsu: BF3/BF3EX, DF1/DF1EX, BF2/BF2EX
Possessed: BF3/BF3EX, BF2/BF2EX, DB4/DB4EX

--- Kitana ---
Run~D1, run~2 (closest distance only, tight), BF3/BF3EX,
Mournful: DF4/DF4EX,
Royal Storm: DB3/DB3EX,

--- Kotal Khan ---
Run~F1, run~B1, run~F2,
War God: DB1/DB1EX (second hit whiffs but it's fine since run~B1 is an easy punish, ie run~B14~DB1EX),

--- Kung Jin ---
Run~B1 (tighter at further distances), run~1 (tighter at further distances), run~iadk, B2, F2, B+D4 (close distance only), BF3/BF3EX, xray
Ancestral: DD2 (exc max distance)
Shaolin: run~2, BF1/BF1EX, DB1/DB1EX

--- Kung Lao ---
Run~F2, run~F1, run~B3 (tight, closer distances only), divekick (slightly later than instant air, pretty easy), DF1EX (non-Tempest), xray
Hat Trick: BF2/BF2EX
Tempest: BF2 (closest distance only)

--- Leather Face ---
Run~F1, run~1, B2 (non-Butcher), DB1/DB1EX (closest distance only), BF3/BF3EX,
Butcher: run~B1, DF2/DF2EX, DB3/DB3EX
Pretty Lady: BF2EX, instant air BF2EX, DB3/DB3EX,

--- Liu Kang ---
Run~F1, run~F2, run~B1, run~F4, B2 (BARELY), DB2/DB2EX, BF2/BF2EX,
Dragon's Fire: BF1EX(MB), instant air fireball (tight), BF2(MB,MB)/BF2EX(MB,MB), BF3
Flame Fist: BF3

--- Mileena ---
Run~F2 (TIGHT), BD4, DD3/DD3EX, BF1/BF1EX(closest distance only, tight)
Ethereal: BF2EX 2, BF2EX BD4
Piercing: Run~B1, BF3/BF3EX,
Ravenous: DB3 (closer distances only)

--- Quan Chi ---
Run~B2, run~1, run~2, run~B1, run~D2, run~4, BF3/BF3EX, DB1(MB)
Summoner: (with bat out) stance switch
Warlock: F3, DELAYED DF2, DF2EX

--- Predator ---
Run~B1 (exc max distance), run~F1 (exc max distance), B2 (exc max distance), BF4/BF4EX,
Hish-Qu-Ten: BF3EX, DB3 (but not DB3F...)

--- Raiden ---
Run~F1, run~1, run~B1, run~2, run~F2, DF2EX, BF3/BF3EX,
Displacer: DU+BLK F1, DU+BLK 1, DU+BLK 2 (tight)

--- Reptile ---
Run~F2, run~F4 (tight, easier from closer distances), BF4/BF4EX, DB4EX~F, BF2/BF2EX, xray

--- Scorpion ---
Run~3, run~F3, BF4/BF4EX, DB3/DB3EX
Hellfire: DB2EX (backdashable but not jumpable)
Inferno: DB4EX
Ninjutsu: Run~F2, B2

--- Shinnok ---
Run~F4, F2 (non-Bone Shaper), BF3/BF3EX, xray (only at very close distance)
Bone Shaper: BF1/BF1EX, DF2/DF2EX
Impostor: DB1
Necromancer: BF2/BF2EX, DF4/DF4EX

--- Sonya ---
Run~1, run~F2, run~2, run~B2, run~B1, DB4EX

--- Sub Zero ---
Run~F4, run~B1, run~1, BF4/BF4EX

--- Takeda ---
Instant air xray
Lasher: DF1/DF1EX (distance dependent), BF2(MB)/BF2EX, DB2/DB2EX, D+F1 (exc max distance)
Ronin: B2, DF1EX

--- Tanya ---
Run~1, run~F4, run~2, run~F2, DB4/DB4EX, BF4/BF4EX, instant air xray
Dragon Naginata: B2, BF2/BF2EX
Kobu Jutsu: Run~B1, DF1EX (close distance only), instant air DF2
Pyromancer: DB1EX/DF1EX

--- Triborg ---
Run~F4, run~1, run~F1, run~3, F3
Cyber Sub Zero: F2, DB4/DB4EX, BF1EX, instant air D4 (close distances only)
Cyrax: DB1EX
Sektor: B2, F3, DB4/DB4EX, instant air BF3EX
Smoke: B2, BF1EX, xray

Characters that can't punish!:
--- Tremor ---


Sorry Tremor... So yeah. There you have it. I'm not listing everything that every character has that can punish. I'm also aware that some variations can't punish it, but that's a decision you have to take into consideration when picking your variation at the select screen lol. I tested with the overhead but I'm sure the low will yield the same result. You can test that if you want, I ain't doing it lol.

 

[Pan1cMode]

Thank you for this. Wasn't aware the flip kick had so much whiff recovery.

 

[Scott The Scot]

Thank you for this. Wasn't aware the flip kick had so much whiff recovery.

Yeah it's something a lot of people overlook I think.

 

[The Highlander]

There's a nasty rumour going around that at the correct spacing Cassie can make her 50/50 safe. People would space it so that on hit the flip would launch the opponent whereas on block the flip would whiff and make Cassie safe.

WRONG! Here's a list of characters that can punish it:
--- Alien ---
Run, F4

--- Jason ---
Run, B1

--- Kung Lao ---
Run, F2

--- Jax ---
Run, F3

--- Sonya ---
Run, 1

--- Kenshi ---
Run, B1

--- Kitana ---
BF3 (sorry Kitana players lol)

--- Scorpion ---
Run, 3 (suuuuper hard)
(Ninjutsu) B2

--- Sub Zero ---
Run, F4

--- Mileena ---
Run, B1

--- Takeda ---
BF2 (Lasher)
DB2 (Lasher)
D+F1 (Lasher)

--- Cassie ---
Run, B12

--- Jacqui ---
Run, 1

--- Kung Jin ---
Run, B1

--- Tanya ---
Run, B1 (Kobu)
EX BF4

--- Bo Rai Cho ---
Run, F1 (Bartitsu)

--- Leather Face ---
Run, F1

--- Predator ---
Run, B2

--- Shinnok ---
Run, F4

--- Kano ---
Run, F4

--- Johnny ---
Run, F3

--- Erron Black ---
Run, 2

--- Liu Kang ---
Run, F1

--- Ermac ---
Run, F4

--- Kotal Khan ---
Run, F1

--- Reptile ---
Run, F2

--- Ferra/Torr ---
EX Low Toss (vicious)

--- D'vorah ---
Run, F1

--- Raiden ---
Run, F1

--- Quan Chi ---
Run, B2

--- Goro ---
Run, F3

--- Triborg ---
Run, F4/1

Characters That Can't punish!:
--- Tremor ---

Sorry Tremor... So yeah. There you have it. I'm not listing everything that every character has that can punish. I'm also aware that some variations can't punish it, but that's a decision you have to take into consideration when picking your variation at the select screen lol. I tested with the overhead but I'm sure the low will yield the same result. You can test that if you want, I ain't doing it lol.

Lol of course Tremor can't... But yea I've had people punish this before, wasn't sure that almost everyone had one though.

 

[Scott The Scot]

Lol of course Tremor can't... But yea I've had people punish this before, wasn't sure that almost everyone had one though.

Some characters have the punish really easy like Jacqui, Predator and Erron. Whereas some characters like Bo Rai Cho and Scorpion (if he needs to use 3~Spear/Aura/Minion rather than just EX tele) have a really tough time punishing it every time. However difficulty is no match for practice, and everybody can get it consistent if they put in the time

 

[Pan1cMode]

Some characters have the punish really easy like Jacqui, Predator and Erron. Whereas some characters like Bo Rai Cho and Scorpion (if he needs to use 3~Spear/Aura/Minion rather than just EX tele) have a really tough time punishing it every time. However difficulty is no match for practice, and everybody can get it consistent if they put in the time

I just took this to practice, it really is easy to punish as Jacqui.

 

[nathancorsini]

Buff Kitana! lol

 

[Scott The Scot]

I just took this to practice, it really is easy to punish as Jacqui.

Great run speed and fast normals make for a good combination it seems. I'd imagine she could do the same with Kotals Swords?

Buff Kitana! lol

Lol I really tried to get a full combo punish with her but I couldn't do it, haha. I tried run in jab, I tried EX Lift, I tried run in B3. It could just be my execution, you should lab it and try yourself

 

[Youphemism]

Gonna organise this in alphabetical order then look at all the punishes I can find with each character because this is pretty useful information. Good stuff

 

[Scott The Scot]

Gonna organise this in alphabetical order then look at all the punishes I can find with each character because this is pretty useful information. Good stuff

I was going to put them Alphabetically but I just decided to do them in the order of the character select screen - do as you please of course lol

Cheers, man!

 

[Pan1cMode]

Great run speed and fast normals make for a good combination it seems. I'd imagine she could do the same with Kotals Swords?

Ironically enough no, she has great trouble punishing Kotal on block because her s4 and s1 don't have enough range. If she wants to punish things like the overhead slice, she needs to do an instant run, s1. This is surprisingly difficult because you can't buffer it :/.

If you're talking about on whiff, yes she can run in and punish. It's actually funny, if Takeda whiffs a b21, she can run in from full screen and whiff punish hahahahaha.

 

[Azxrath.]

mkx myth buster lol, good shit on this

 

[Scott The Scot]

Ironically enough no, she has great trouble punishing Kotal on block because her s4 and s1 don't have enough range. If she wants to punish things like the overhead slice, she needs to do an instant run, s1. This is surprisingly difficult because you can't buffer it :/.

If you're talking about on whiff, yes she can run in and punish. It's actually funny, if Takeda whiffs a b21, she can run in from full screen and whiff punish hahahahaha.

Yeah I was talking about on block. Ugh, it would help so much if NRS added a mechanic to do something like buffer run for as long as you're in block stun then run as soon as your out. Some punishes you have to be bang on the frame with your run input or you ain't getting a punish!

Yeah the recovery on some moves is hilarious lol. Look at D'vorah if she whiffs like F22 or something haha.

 

[Youphemism]

Here's all the punishes I could find with the characters I've done so far (up to Kenshi), will test the rest next time I'm free to do it. Didn't include pokes unless it's pretty much all they get

--- Alien ---
Run~F4, run~1, run~B1, run~F1, run~F2, F3, B3, DB3/DB3EX, DF3EX, BF1/BF1EX,
Acidic: (except max distance) DB2
Tarkatan: BF2, B2, run~2,

--- Bo Rai Cho ---
Run~D4, BF4/BF4EX, DD4/DD4EX (not jumpable but backdashable)
Bartitsu: Run~D4, run~F1 (but surprise surprise you're out of range for a full combo), BF4 (only second hit hits), DB2/DB2EX (full combo ayy)
Drunken Master: Drunk only - BF3/BF3EX, DF2EX (level 3 only),

--- Cassie ---
Run~B1, run~B2, run~2, run~1, run~F2, BF1EX,
Hollywood: Instant air gunshots,

--- D'Vorah ---
Run~F1, run~1, run~2, run~F4

--- Ermac ---
Run~F4, run~F2, run~B1, run~2, DB1
Master of Souls: BF2/BF2EX (closest distance only)
Mystic: BF2/BF2EX
Spectral: BF2/BF2EX

--- Erron Black ---
Run~2, run~1, run~F1, run~F2, run~F3, F4, BF4/BF4EX, DBF2/DBF2EX (best hit reaction ever lol)

--- Ferra/Torr ---
Run~2, run~1, run~B1, DB2/DB2EX (Non-Lackey), BF2/BF2EX (Non-Lackey)
Lackey: run~BF2/run~BF2EX
Vicious: BF4/BF4EX

--- Goro ---
Run~F3 (pretty much frame perfect)
Kuatan Warrior: BF2/BF2EX, DD4EX (guaranteed)

--- Jacqui ---
Run~1, run~F1, run~4, run~4U4, BF1/BF1EX, BF2/BF2EX,
Full Auto: DF2/DF2MB
Shotgun: DB2/DB2EX

--- Jason ---
Run~B1 (non-Slasher), B122 (the second hit punishes, non-Slasher), BF3/BF3EX

--- Jax ---
Run~F3 (exc max distance), run~1 (exc max distance), run~F2 (exc max distance), BF2/BF2EX, BF2D/BF2DEX (exc. max distance), xray
Heavy Weapons: BF3/BF3EX

--- Johnny ---
Run~F3, BF4/BF4EX

--- Kano ---
Run~F4, run~2, run~1, run~B1, instant air BF3, BF3, DF2/DF2EX, xray
Cutthroat: run~F2, DB1/DB1EX
Cybernetic: DF2/DF2EX

--- Kenshi ---
Run~B1, run~2 (tight), xray
Balanced: BF2/BF2EX, BF3/BF3EX
Kenjutsu: BF3/BF3EX, DF1/DF1EX, BF2/BF2EX
Possessed: BF3/BF3EX, BF2/BF2EX, DB4/DB4EX

--- Kitana ---
Run~D1, run~2 (closest distance only, tight), BF3/BF3EX,
Mournful: DF4/DF4EX,
Royal Storm: DB3/DB3EX,

--- Kotal Khan ---
Run~F1, run~B1, run~F2,
War God: DB1/DB1EX (second hit whiffs but it's fine since run~B1 is an easy punish, ie run~B14~DB1EX),

--- Kung Jin ---
Run~B1 (tighter at further distances), run~1 (tighter at further distances), run~iadk, B2, F2, B+D4 (close distance only), BF3/BF3EX, xray
Ancestral: DD2 (exc max distance)
Shaolin: run~2, BF1/BF1EX, DB1/DB1EX

--- Kung Lao ---
Run~F2, run~F1, run~B3 (tight, closer distances only), divekick (slightly later than instant air, pretty easy), DF1EX (non-Tempest), xray
Hat Trick: BF2/BF2EX
Tempest: BF2 (closest distance only)

--- Leather Face ---
Run~F1, run~1, B2 (non-Butcher), DB1/DB1EX (closest distance only), BF3/BF3EX,
Butcher: run~B1, DF2/DF2EX, DB3/DB3EX
Pretty Lady: BF2EX, instant air BF2EX, DB3/DB3EX,

--- Liu Kang ---
Run~F1, run~F2, run~B1, run~F4, B2 (BARELY), DB2/DB2EX, BF2/BF2EX,
Dragon's Fire: BF1EX(MB), instant air fireball (tight), BF2(MB,MB)/BF2EX(MB,MB), BF3
Flame Fist: BF3

--- Mileena ---
Run~F2 (TIGHT), BD4, DD3/DD3EX, BF1/BF1EX(closest distance only, tight)
Ethereal: BF2EX 2, BF2EX BD4
Piercing: Run~B1, BF3/BF3EX,
Ravenous: DB3 (closer distances only)

--- Quan Chi ---
Run~B2, run~1, run~2, run~B1, run~D2, run~4, BF3/BF3EX, DB1(MB)
Summoner: (with bat out) stance switch
Warlock: F3, DELAYED DF2, DF2EX

--- Predator ---
Run~B1 (exc max distance), run~F1 (exc max distance), B2 (exc max distance), BF4/BF4EX,
Hish-Qu-Ten: BF3EX, DB3 (but not DB3F...)

--- Raiden ---
Run~F1, run~1, run~B1, run~2, run~F2, DF2EX, BF3/BF3EX,
Displacer: DU+BLK F1, DU+BLK 1, DU+BLK 2 (tight)

--- Reptile ---
Run~F2, run~F4 (tight, easier from closer distances), BF4/BF4EX, DB4EX~F, BF2/BF2EX, xray

--- Scorpion ---
Run~3, run~F3, BF4/BF4EX, DB3/DB3EX
Hellfire: DB2EX (backdashable but not jumpable)
Inferno: DB4EX
Ninjutsu: Run~F2, B2

--- Shinnok ---
Run~F4, F2 (non-Bone Shaper), BF3/BF3EX, xray (only at very close distance)
Bone Shaper: BF1/BF1EX, DF2/DF2EX
Impostor: DB1
Necromancer: BF2/BF2EX, DF4/DF4EX

--- Sonya ---
Run~1, run~F2, run~2, run~B2, run~B1, DB4EX

--- Sub Zero ---
Run~F4, run~B1, run~1, BF4/BF4EX

--- Takeda ---
Instant air xray
Lasher: DF1/DF1EX (distance dependent), BF2(MB)/BF2EX, DB2/DB2EX, D+F1 (exc max distance)
Ronin: B2, DF1EX

--- Tanya ---
Run~1, run~F4, run~2, run~F2, DB4/DB4EX, BF4/BF4EX, instant air xray
Dragon Naginata: B2, BF2/BF2EX
Kobu Jutsu: Run~B1, DF1EX (close distance only), instant air DF2
Pyromancer: DB1EX/DF1EX

--- Triborg ---
Run~F4, run~1, run~F1, run~3, F3
Cyber Sub Zero: F2, DB4/DB4EX, BF1EX, instant air D4 (close distances only)
Cyrax: DB1EX
Sektor: B2, F3, DB4/DB4EX, instant air BF3EX
Smoke: B2 (no run needed -_-), BF1EX, xray

Characters that can't punish!:
--- Tremor ---

 

[JORGIE]

This is very helpful thanks a lot!

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Awesome work

 

[STRYKIE]

If BRC has a way to punish this then you know this tech is a bill

 

[YoloRoll1stHit]

I've known this for long lol. It's more like a gimmick. The problem is can you REACT in time to realize that a 7f move just whiffed, run in and punish. On block flip cause a slight frame freeze but on whiff the recovery of df2 comes ealier

 

[Red Reaper]

I've known this for long lol. It's more like a gimmick. The problem is can you REACT in time to realize that a 7f move just whiffed, run in and punish. On block flip cause a slight frame freeze but on whiff the recovery of df2 comes ealier

That's what I was thinking. It kould make you safe in a way...

 

[B. Shazzy]

all you'd have to do is recognize the setups where cassie players do f3 flip, and outside of brawler doesn't occur organically

 

[shura30]

cassie players already knew it wasn't safe

but thanks for informing everyone

 

[Arzumis]

Although not safe , against some of the cast the punishment if db2 whiffed is much less than if blocked.

 

[WakeUp DP]

Nice work. This is why I like TYM! oh and the drama ofc.

 

[Tweedy]

I actually labbed this extensively and imo doing this in a real match consistently is a bill, by itself.

Good thread.

 

[Arzumis]

I actually labbed this extensively and imo doing this in a real match consistently is a bill, by itself.

Good thread.

Hollywood gets the most out of this. In the corner she can do this with both her overhead and low starters after ex nutpunch