Breakthrough - Kung Lao Not Tempest? Fighting Ermac? MK3 Costume is best...kinda

[Youphemism]

Soooooooo when playing against Ermac as Kung Lao....11212~spin whiffs midscreen. ALMOST EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. The spin just doesn't hit him. Try it yourself, doesn't work. UNLESS you're wearing the MK3 skin.* For god knows what reason MK3 Lao's spin has a bigger hitbox (or the hit reaction from 11212 is different for MK3 Lao or some other explanation) so it's the only costume where 11212~spin will successfully connect midscreen against Ermac*. What's even more stupid is that Ermac is the ONLY character affected by this, it even hits on females! Wtf?!

So not only is it (edit: DOUBLE->) costume specific but it only affects ONE character. *sigh* I really hope this gets fixed, it affects Buzz Saws and Hat Trick mains more though since it's their meterless punisher. Here's a sad video of it in action:

Edit: Turns out it's not just specific to one character and costume, it's now one character and DOUBLE costume specific! Even if you're wearing the MK3 skin 11212~spin will still whiff midscreen on Klassic Ermac! Thanks to @STRYKIE for the heads up

Double edit: ALSO whiffs on Pharaoh Ermac. *heavy sigh*

Here's the combinations where spin will and won't hit after 11212 per both characters' costumes (WIP):
Primary Lao vs Primary, Tournament, Pharaoh, Klassic Ermac = MISS
Tournament Lao vs Primary, Tournament, Pharaoh, Klassic Ermac = MISS
MK3 Lao vs Primary & Tournament Ermac = HIT
MK3 Lao vs Pharaoh & Klassic Ermac = MISS
Gaucho Lao vs Primary, Tournament, Pharaoh, Klassic Ermac = MISS​

Bloody hell....

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@Eddy Wang
@Tweedy
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@I GOT HANDS
@A F0xy Grampa
@Big Pampering
@ROG Moonspell
@ETC Mcfly
@just_2swift

 

[Saltea Moonspell]

How sweet is that. Just what we need...Good work man, lucky Me i Like MK3 skin.

 

[BigMacMcLovin]

That video was awesome lool.

Breakthrough tech! Watch NRS nerf the MK3 costume to keep it consistent.

 

[ChaosTheory]

So much depth. I hope MK11 really expands on this. No more scrubby universal punishes.

-Block move that's -15.

-Assess whether opponent is male/female/trans.

-Assess if standing/ducking/in between

-Assess which costume and color opponent is wearing

-Assess if opponent was hit during inhale or exhale

-Punish accordingly

If you can't do that, no soup for you.

 

[DDutchguy]

What are these hitboxes man. I really hope Injustice 2 has a lot more consistency, so no more of this alternate costume and breathing hitbox nonsense.

 

[THTB]

Ah, reminds me of MKA. Player-specific, costume-specific combos are amazing.

 

[just_2swift]

I seen this happen alot to me lately

 

[BlackJackSnack]

Damnnn that's super interesting, good find!!

 

[Jaiyson]

lol reminds me of when batgirl could only cross up Sinestro on block with f2 flying bat... welp!! I be counter picking with skins..lol

 

[Tweedy]

It sucks for Tempest too since you can't convert off of 11 with the hat up and obviously 112124 spin will whiff. If you're going to run in on Ermac midscreen, with the hat out, you can't ever do any variation of the standing 1 string.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

I don't know whats worse, costume specific combos, character specific combos, crouch specific combos or breath specific combos.

I struggle to call it lazy design, because surely it would have taken more work then just giving everyone the same hitbox? The aesthetics are just that goddammit, aesthetics, individual hitboxes are never needed, find one average size hitbox for everyone

 

[Somea2V]

Aaaaaaaaand I think I'm done with MKX, if not NRS in general. Seriously, this game seems to have highlighted all the awful things they do as a developer. Either it's ineptitude or apathy, and both should inspire an abandonment of loyalty.

 

[MK_Al]

That vid is awesome!
Wheird though; I played a few sets against an Ermac player a few days ago and I didn't even notice. Did you check if it's stance specific?

 

[Thomazi]

I don't know whats worse, costume specific combos, character specific combos, crouch specific combos or breath specific combos.

Dont forget the stance specific combos

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Dont forget the stance specific combos

my Bad, them too

 

[Nausea]

REKT

 

[GrimJack]

Why Ermac has so many bugs? the Ermac camera bugs with Quan Chi after the Ex rune still exists. Just got one happen today.

 

[Youphemism]

That vid is awesome!
Wheird though; I played a few sets against an Ermac player a few days ago and I didn't even notice. Did you check if it's stance specific?

Nope it's not stance specific, I show that in the video. I do it the first time with both facing the camera then the next one is with Lao facing away Were you maybe playing Tempest and just used 11212~hat spin instead?

It sucks for Tempest too since you can't convert off of 11 with the hat up and obviously 112124 spin will whiff. If you're going to run in on Ermac midscreen, with the hat out, you can't ever do any variation of the standing 1 string.

Actually Tempest gets away with it because he can move the spin, so he can actually connect 11212~spin and 112124~spin by moving the spin towards the opponent as he does it -_- Lucky for some...

 

[ETC Mcfly]

Soooooooo when playing against Ermac as Kung Lao....11212~spin whiffs midscreen. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. The spin just doesn't hit him. Try it yourself, doesn't work. UNLESS you're wearing the MK3 skin. For god knows what reason MK3 Lao's spin has a bigger hitbox (or the hit reaction from 11212 is different for MK3 Lao or some other explanation) so it's the only costume where 11212~spin will successfully connect midscreen against Ermac. What's even more stupid is that Ermac is the ONLY character affected by this, it even hits on females! Wtf?!

So not only is it costume specific but it only affects ONE character. *sigh* I really hope this gets fixed, it affects Buzz Saws and Hat Trick mains more though since it's their meterless punisher. Here's a sad video of it in action:

@Eddy Wang
@Tweedy
@The PantyChrist
@I GOT HANDS
@A F0xy Grampa
@Big Pampering
@ROG Moonspell
@ETC Mcfly
@just_2swift

Ouch!!!! Great discovery and cute video bro!

 

[WakeUp DP]

Aaaaaaaaand I think I'm done with MKX, if not NRS in general. Seriously, this game seems to have highlighted all the awful things they do as a developer. Either it's ineptitude or apathy, and both should inspire an abandonment of loyalty.

Lots of games have this issues too.

 

[WakeUp DP]

From now on I'll only use that MK3 costume just in case regular spin actually has bigger hitbox lol.
Even if the skin is hella ugly.

Where's MK2 Lao skin?

 

[Somea2V]

Lots of games have this issues too.

Not the best defense. I'm sorry, but unintentional stance/character/skin specific combos, inconsistent mid and high hit behaviors, sub par netcode, still sub par netcode after a revamp, poorly executed and conceived balancing and more should be more than enough to even convince hardcore fanboys that they need to start making waves or move on.

Seriously, EA and their subsidiaries/associates pull this nonsense and we all line up to crucify them. Why does NRS get a pass from the court of public opinion?

 

[WakeUp DP]

Not the best defense. I'm sorry, but unintentional stance/character/skin specific combos, inconsistent mid and high hit behaviors, sub par netcode, still sub par netcode after a revamp, poorly executed and conceived balancing and more should be more than enough to even convince hardcore fanboys that they need to start making waves or move on.

Seriously, EA and their subsidiaries/associates pull this nonsense and we all line up to crucify them. Why does NRS get a pass from the court of public opinion?

When MKX netcode is better than a SF game that says a lot lol. To the rest, it's whatever, every game has issues, doesn't stop me from enjoying this game.

 

[Somea2V]

When MKX netcode is better than a SF game that says a lot lol. To the rest, it's whatever, every game has issues, doesn't stop me from enjoying this game.

Seeing as how Killer Instinct and more games from a few years ago blow both out of the water, that's a poor argument.

If you enjoy the game, then that's good for you. But don't try to justify the game's questionable quality.

 

[WakeUp DP]

Seeing as how Killer Instinct and more games from a few years ago blow both out of the water, that's a poor argument.

If you enjoy the game, then that's good for you. But don't try to justify the game's questionable quality.

I came in with my eyes open when I decided I wanted to get into MKX, I played MK9 till it died, I knew of all NRs bullshit... So it's whatever to me. That's not me justifying it.

KI3 is godlike but isn't perfect, no game is.