See What Has Changed Since Day 0 (Vanilla MKX Stream)

[NYCj360]

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do you guys want to be apart of this and talk about how your character has evolved since day 0?

Hell yeah

 

[Alright RyRy]

@Tim Static time is almost here.

 

[Alright RyRy]

@Espio
@Eldriken @Tim Static

I'm about to go live really soon, can you front page this please

 

[dennycascade]

Show how hilariously bad Johnny's whiffing problems were

 

[TakeAChance]

Lol, pick Ethereal Mileena.

Tell me what the hell she was supposed to do that the other variations couldn't do better.

 

[MsMiharo]

i would love a d1 bonehaper comparison to when he was at his peak.

 

[DevilMaySpy]

Poor Cassie, don't make me go back...I don't want to remember

57% one bar corner combos...GONE

 

[DarksydeDash]

Ice clone staying on block..

 

[ismael4790]

Remember when Fisticuffs was an actual character?

He has been one of the most (if not the most) overnerfed characters in this game.

 

[IamSub0]

We'll never have release day Fisticuffs again, and he was nerfed way too hard and too quickly, but I think the recent buffs have brought the variation out of the trash. There's still room for improvement, but FC players are in a better situation now than they have been for the last eight months.

 

[ismael4790]

We'll never have release day Fisticuffs again, and he was nerfed way too hard and too quickly, but I think the recent buffs have brought the variation out of the trash. There's still room for improvement, but FC players are in a better situation now than they have been for the last eight months.

I still have hopes pal.
The buffs he received are nice, but they would have worked better as a complement of the main buffs he needed and didn't receive.

He is a variation that should be decent at pressure and staggers and he is mediocre at most at these fields.There are lots of characters (for example Kotal and Mileena with his b1 and b12 respectively, both with better startup and/or frames on block, and lead to 50/50s) that have stagger resources much better than the speedbag, along with other tools he lacks.

Furthermore, it is a mistery why he still has not received an ex version of fistbump.

 

[FinalBoss_FGC]

Did you guys show how incredibly broke Bojutsu was? Because it had to have been way better than Acidic or Piercing are now to get so many cries

 

[Tweedy]

I still have hopes pal.
The buffs he received are nice, but they would have worked better as a complement of the main buffs he needed and didn't receive.

He is a variation that should be decent at pressure and staggers and he is mediocre at most at these fields.There are lots of characters (for example Kotal and Mileena with his b1 and b12 respectively, both with better startup and/or frames on block, and lead to 50/50s) that have stagger resources much better than the speedbag, along with other tools he lacks.

Furthermore, it is a mistery why he still has not received an ex version of fistbump.

Neither B1 or B12 lead to 50/50s. I don't know what you're referring to with Mileena's string, so i'm not sure what to say to debunk. Does low sai count as a 50/50?

EX overhead off of B1 can be armored, B14 and B1 EX overhead can also be fuzzy guarded. This was proven by Lord Brady like 8 months ago when he streamed from the house of The Lords of Yomi.

Besides that point, while the variation specific stuff that comes along with fisticuffs is really bad, Johnny Cage doesn't need a variation in his current state to be in the upper half of the cast.

 

[ismael4790]

Neither B1 or B12 lead to 50/50s. I don't know what you're referring to with Mileena's string, so i'm not sure what to say to debunk. Does low sai count as a 50/50?

EX overhead off of B1 can be armored, B14 and B1 EX overhead can also be fuzzy guarded. This was proven by Lord Brady like 8 months ago when he streamed from the house of The Lords of Yomi.

Besides that point, while the variation specific stuff that comes along with fisticuffs is really bad, Johnny Cage doesn't need a variation in his current state to be in the upper half of the cast.

Yes, i'm refering to the low sai/overhead option. It may not look like much, but staggers have to be respected, since low sai is very + on hit. Also the pushback of b12 makes it hard to poke out for many characters. And yeah, I know that stuff about Kotal, but don't tell me it's not more effective than not having any option xD

When doing staggers with fisticuffs not only the frames on block are worse, it's also the fact that there's nothing no respect, nothing can surprise you. The opponent is at perfect distance to poke out and has plenty of time. Also speedbag has a gap after every two hits.

 

[Tweedy]

Yes, i'm refering to the low sai/overhead option. It may not look like much, but staggers have to be respected, since low sai is very + on hit. Also the pushback of b12 makes it hard to poke out for many characters. And yeah, I know that stuff about Kotal, but don't tell me it's not more effective than not having any option xD

When doing staggers with fisticuffs not only the frames on block are worse, it's also the fact that there's nothing no respect, nothing can surprise you. The opponent is at perfect distance to poke out and has plenty of time. Also speedbag has a gap.

Low sai is actually not + enough on hit to guarantee anything. Considering how punishable it is, the risk/reward on doing it after B12, is very bad.

 

[ismael4790]

Low sai is actually not + enough on hit to guarantee anything. Considering how punishable it is, the risk/reward on doing it after B12, is very bad.

Yes, it's risky, but it's an option Mileena has. She also takes a risk while doing an ex roll, but has to be respected. That's what I'm trying to say, b12 creates a threatening situation, whereas speedbag does not, which makes no sense because fisticuffs is based on that move.

The fact that he has no mixups or surprise factor from speedbag would be understandable if speedbag frames were an actual threat by themselves. But that was taken away in june last year.

 

[Baconlord]

Yes, it's risky, but it's an option Mileena has. She also takes a risk while doing an ex roll, but has to be respected. That's what I'm trying to say, b12 creates a threatening situation, whereas speedbag does not, which makes no sense because fisticuffs is based on that move.

The fact that he has no mixups or surprise factor from speedbag would be understandable if speedbag frames were an actual threat by themselves. But that was taken away in june last year.

b12 and speedbag are two completely different moves so I don't know why your comparing them other then everyone's daily complaining about mileena post. b12 can only blow up pokes if you use it at max range where as speedbag is a pure stagger tool at point blank and should not be used like b12.

 

[ismael4790]

b12 and speedbag are two completely different moves so I don't know why your comparing them other then everyone's daily complaining about mileena post. b12 can only blow up pokes if you use it at max range where as speedbag is a pure stagger tool at point blank and should not be used like b12.

I'm comparing them because mileenas b12 not only can be used to stagger (-1 and -2 on block, where speedbag is -3 everywhere and gapped), but also makes her strong in the neutral, is a good antiair...
As the pure stagger tool speedbag is, without any other purpose, it should have better frames, that's my whole point, to recall that there are strings in the game that allow to stagger better than speedbag does, and giving a threatening scenario after. 0 Mileena hate.