Video/Tutorial - Cyber Sub-Zero Optimized Meterless Knockdown Vortex with 5-way Mix-Ups (42%+ Meterless Combos)

[SaltShaker]

So...

Cyrax can meterless hardtoblockable you into resets anywhere on screen.

Smoke can combo you, end in Harpoon into 21, force another 50/50, and Batgirl loop you to death until you guess correctly.

Sektor can land UpMissile, take a nap, wake up, and full combo punish you.

But CSZ has corner shenanigans like half the roster does and the character requires massive execution to be played to its peak, but it's too much?



#Neverchange.

 

[RyuKazuya]

for now i guess i am done with competitive mkx. Waiting until a game gets fixed properly is just annoying that they dont learn from the mistakes they made two games ago.

 

[Leviathan925]

There's a lot of people completely disconnected from reality posting here.

The "they make the character good to sell more!" Point, you guys need to realize 99.99999% of the people who are puechasing this have a hard time even doing a special move. None of this applies to them. The fact that the game has any sort of balance at a high level is thanks to people like Paulo who does care about this. So enough of that crap.

The "they have the worst testers" is insulting. The dumbass who made the comment about getting fired for releasing a character like this apparently can't tell the difference between what an actual QA does and what the QA guys at NRS do. I mean we all remember how 2000-2007 was a golden age in fighting game balance. The people who are qa'ing that are competitive players are very capable and I'm sure they've chipped in on this, and I'm sure that if there's another patch this will be addressed.

Yeah this is fucked up, but maybe you should stop pointing fingers and saying silly stuff.

I think your under estimating people a little bit there. This game really isn't that hard to play at all. Some variations with run cancels and harder juggles sure, but when I can teach my 4 year old cousin basic bnbs (with Goro, Tremor and Kitana) in less then a week and specials in a day I'm hard press to believe that. My sister and mom and can do specials and this is the only video game they play due to them just wanting to get involved with something I enjoy. Everyone of my casual friends can all easily do specials and combos and they don't even own a single mk/fighting game.

Thing is about the testing is that REO and others have only had these characters for two and a half days yet they've found these np, so whats the excuse for the professional testers who have had them much longer?

 

[WATCHD0G]

Better have your fun now before he gets whacked.

I don't think he should get "whacked" i say adjust his dive kick to a mid....oe maybe even decrease the advantage he has in some strings so that other characters have a chance

 

[Awkward Sloth]

There's a lot of people completely disconnected from reality posting here.

The "they make the character good to sell more!" Point, you guys need to realize 99.99999% of the people who are puechasing this have a hard time even doing a special move. None of this applies to them. The fact that the game has any sort of balance at a high level is thanks to people like Paulo who does care about this. So enough of that crap.

The "they have the worst testers" is insulting. The dumbass who made the comment about getting fired for releasing a character like this apparently can't tell the difference between what an actual QA does and what the QA guys at NRS do. I mean we all remember how 2000-2007 was a golden age in fighting game balance. The people who are qa'ing that are competitive players are very capable and I'm sure they've chipped in on this, and I'm sure that if there's another patch this will be addressed.

Yeah this is fucked up, but maybe you should stop pointing fingers and saying silly stuff.

Paulo's sense of balance was to continuously nerf Harley Quinn in Injustice. So I don't believe in Paulo's vision.

That man needs LASIK.
P.S.
Also pyro damage nerfs are/were dumb.
P.S.S
Green arrow is lame.

 

[JDM]

for now i guess i am done with competitive mkx. Waiting until a game gets fixed properly is just annoying that they dont learn from the mistakes they made two games ago.

lmfao. Could you imagine being this kneejerk over something like a 2 minute video? Jeez don't be such a drama queen. You act like CSZ is a win button.


CSZ is clearly really good, but Since Reo made a video people want to immediately act like he's the most broken shit they've ever seen. Calm down.

 

[WATCHD0G]

I look at the original cast and all their variations and then watch this...Its like, why even play as 90% of the other stuff when you have this?

Playstyle Preferences

 

[rubmytaco]

Can we see a Cyber Sub do good at a tournament before we rally for the ban hammer? This is some digusting stuff, but I honestly think we should wait it out or be absolutely sure that there's no way out of these setups. This character walks a very thin line of being OP or useless, and I'd like to give him a chance before he's turned into unbreakable Sub.

 

[RyuKazuya]

lmfao. Could you imagine being this kneejerk over something like a 2 minute video? Jeez don't be such a drama queen. You act like CSZ is a win button.


CSZ is clearly really good, but Since Reo made a video people want to immediately act like he's the most broken shit they've ever seen. Calm down.

no what i am talking about is that i dont wanna guess like that all day. its just a matter of opinion you know. If you dont agree i am fine with that. Playing against a character that literally takes any option away from you is just gettin no fun for me. Never intended to attack anyone personally man sry if i annoyed you somehow

 

[KingHippo]

You know something, why does no one ever mention that perhaps the qa team knows this is in and doesn't care? I thought about this the other day when people kept whining that the variation they played didn't get buffs: what if they know what you guys think, they just disagree and think you're bad? Fuudo for thought

 

[WATCHD0G]

Can we see a Cyber Sub do good at a tournament before we rally for the ban hammer? This is some digusting stuff, but I honestly think we should wait it out or be absolutely sure that there's no way out of these setups. This character walks a very thin line of being OP or useless, and I'd like to give him a chance before he's turned into unbreakable Sub.

same here i say let's wait and see before start burning down characters

 

[RYX]

no what i am talking about is that i dont wanna guess like that all day. its just a matter of opinion you know. If you dont agree i am fine with that. Playing against a character that literally takes any option away from you is just gettin no fun for me. Never intended to attack anyone personally man sry if i annoyed you somehow

most of MKX is guessing

fighting games in general are guessing games

 

[SaltShaker]

no what i am talking about is that i dont wanna guess like that all day. its just a matter of opinion you know. If you dont agree i am fine with that. Playing against a character that literally takes any option away from you is just gettin no fun for me. Never intended to attack anyone personally man sry if i annoyed you somehow

I agree bro, good point. I don't like fighting against Smoke and Cyrax either.

 

[JDM]

no what i am talking about is that i dont wanna guess like that all day. its just a matter of opinion you know. If you dont agree i am fine with that. Playing against a character that literally takes any option away from you is just gettin no fun for me. Never intended to attack anyone personally man sry if i annoyed you somehow

Lol I'm just saying. You can make videos explaining how to shut people down with 90 percent of the cast. However facts are it doesn't work like that in a real match. You're still making reads. If he blocks your mixup then what? What if he blocks first hit then armors? Or wakes up and you don't try to break armor? Or he just blocks and you try to break his armor and you get fully combo punished?

It's still a guess on CSZ's side. I'm just saying don't jump to conclusions so fast. Dropping an entire game because of one variation of a character because of a 2 minute video? Cmon

 

[Nerobianco]

Shouldn't making the dive kick coming out only from certain height fix the problem? No need for making the divekick mid.

 

[Samsara]

It's GM SubZero all over again.

Great unique character at launch with a unique design and playstyle-----> people whine before new meta develops-------> nerfed.

I told you all in the last thread to calm down with "make it a mid make it a mid, nerf his b3, make it slower Summoner Quan..." and you guys still at it.

Let the game breathe and judge the characters through actual matches and sets.

It's a witch hunt out here. All the Triborgs have mixup scenarios, CSZ is no worse than Cyrax or Smoke. His damage is lower and he will rely on screen positioning just like GM.

 

[RyuKazuya]

most of MKX is guessing

fighting games in general are guessing games

i guess i have to level up then

 

[Samsara]

Shouldn't making the dive kick coming out only from certain height fix the problem? No need for making the divekick mid.

NO!! That would ruin his conversions.

 

[Nerobianco]

But I'm talking about raw divekick. Isn't he canceling a string into a divekick to do the combo?

 

[Derptile]

I'm hoping he doesn't get changed so I can lmao at everyone who said to "let him rock".

 

[SaltShaker]

Week 1- "Bojutsu is S+ Tier! Too broken! Breaks the game!"


March 2016- "Wow I haven't even seen a Bojutsu player in months."

 

[Samsara]

But I'm talking about raw divekick. Isn't he canceling a string into a divekick to do the combo?

That's unnecessary

 

[JDM]

The main issues I see with CSZ without destroying him are

-Divekick's whiff recovery is way too stupid. Make it so during combos it has the current recovery but you have to give it some sort of recovery for the amount of space it covers in neutral. Ridiculous.
-Divekick needs to be far less safe on block.

Idk how to fix the unblockable shenanigans but they were clearly meant to be in the game.. Low Bombs+time to setup= hard to blockables

 

[RyuKazuya]

Lol I'm just saying. You can make videos explaining how to shut people down with 90 percent of the cast. However facts are it doesn't work like that in a real match. You're still making reads. If he blocks your mixup then what? What if he blocks first hit then armors? Or wakes up and you don't try to break armor? Or he just blocks and you try to break his armor and you get fully combo punished?

It's still a guess on CSZ's side. I'm just saying don't jump to conclusions so fast. Dropping an entire game because of one variation of a character because of a 2 minute video? Cmon

Thats a good point.

 

[WATCHD0G]

It's GM SubZero all over again.

Great unique character at launch with a unique design and playstyle-----> people whine before new meta develops-------> nerfed.

I told you all in the last thread to calm down with "make it a mid make it a mid, nerf his b3, make it slower Summoner Quan..." and you guys still at it.

Let the game breathe and judge the characters through actual matches and sets.

It's a witch hunt out here. All the Triborgs have mixup scenarios, CSZ is no worse than Cyrax or Smoke. His damage is lower and he will rely on screen positioning just like GM.

Yeah i think we all need to take a breather and see what happens at Final Round and even before and after that.....like seriously how much of all this tech REO posts is actually used in tournaments? it's one thing to see it done on a dummy but actually doing this against some who KNOWS what you are trying to do is whole other story.

I agree with @JDM we are freaking out way too early over something that hasn't even started being a problem yet.