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TheGabStandard

TheGabStandard

The anticipation is killing me
Wetdoba said:
Question: was there a reason that Mileena players said she had no footsies if she had B12 being in its current state since May? (Didnt know that, I thought it was new since Ive never seen a single Mileena use it for stagger until now). If long range down pokes at max range are how you beat B12 couldnt Mileena just low crush those pokes with F3 and then confirm into roll? Was the speed of her pokes really the only thing holding her back even with a string that good?
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First the B12 buff was in August :), second, on a read she canuse F3 to crush low pokes, although it only becomes airborne from the 20th frame onward. Finally it was speed and frames that held her back. Going from vanilla she had no plus normals or strings and her fastest normal was 10f (excluding d2), she has been buffed quite a bit over the past patches but it seems it is the beta changes that has tipped her over the edge in some people's eyes.
 
Wetdoba

Wetdoba

All too easy...
EMPEROR_SunFire said:
We all have said that her neutral game is pretty good since forever (at least in Piercing, it's decent in Ravenous and Ethereal)
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Hmm. Maybe it was just the scrubby ones then because ive definitely seen them complain about her neutral and saying her best option in neutral was just yolo ball. She is definitely really good now though lol
 
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TheGabStandard

TheGabStandard

The anticipation is killing me
StiggyWiggs said:
So I'm labbing it right now. Walking back is not an option at all even at max range of they do them back to back, so no whiff punishing unless you backdash. And even if you backdash you have to have a really good normal to whiff punish since there's very little recovery. Also you can't jump at all since b1 anti airs. Just thought I'd share some of what I labbed even though you know this already. I just feel like you have to make hard reads as the opponent and her reads are way less risky. Just my 2 cents.
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Good to know you are checking it out :), who do you main ?
 
Second Saint

Second Saint

A man with too many names.
Wetdoba said:
Question: was there a reason that Mileena players said she had no footsies if she had B12 being in its current state since May? (Didnt know that, I thought it was new since Ive never seen a single Mileena use it for stagger until now). If long range down pokes at max range are how you beat B12 couldnt Mileena just low crush those pokes with F3 and then confirm into roll? Was the speed of her pokes really the only thing holding her back even with a string that good?
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Actually, whoever said May was mistaken. B12 has been in it's current state since the end of August. And yes, Mileena's did do f3 to low crush pokes, but more often I see them back up slightly to make the poke whiff and punish with roll.

I've been getting wrecked by b12 for awhile now so, I don't see why it's such a big issue all of a sudden. She's been able to do this for 4 months.

http://community.wbgames.com/t5/Latest-Updates/Patch-Notes-8-31-2015/ba-p/756091

Patch notes if you want to see what all she got then.
 
Wetdoba

Wetdoba

All too easy...
TheGabStandard said:
First the B12 buff was in August :), second, on a read she canuse F3 to crush low pokes, although it only becomes airborne from the 20th frame onward. Finally it was speed and frames that held her back. Going from vanilla she had no plus normals or strings and her fastest normal was 10f (excluding d2), she has been buffed quite a bit over the past patches but it seems it is the beta changes that has tipped her over the edge in some people's eyes.
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Oh so it wasnt in May? Someone just said that though.. either way I guess that makes sense. Thanks
 
TotteryManx

TotteryManx

cr. HP Master
Tweedy said:
This is a weird post, seems kind of desperate. Not sure if it's directed at me or not, as I haven't visited the thread since my last response to Saltface. But just in case.

Lets say that I lost to a Mileena, and that's why I say she's number one. The truth is I've actually beaten every Mileena I've played on the beta. Lets say that happened, though, and i'm the type of guy to cry about whatever I lose to. Is Reo like that too? I mean eventually, since she probably is the best character on the beta, we're gonna run into too many people saying she's the best, so statements like "you're just saying that because you lose to her", will become less and less powerful.
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His post has some weight. For one thing, Mileena has only changed in a couple of ways and nothing drastic. It's like this is the first time top players outside of Saltface has tried her out. People that have been playing Mileena since the beginning are claiming that the people that play Foxy and others simply need time to adjust. You guys are pulling the trigger way too fast simply because x or y said this and that. We all know players have been wrong before. Let it breathe man.

Also, I can totally see a balanced character getting nerfed due to exaggeration. It's happened before.
 
Tweedy

Tweedy

Noob
I need to delete all of my posts, since i'm gonna play her.

Don't nerf Mileena. Reo lost to her, that's why he thinks she's good, same with Foxy. Saltface is all of our dads, what he says goes.
 
JerzeyReign

JerzeyReign

PSN: JerzeyReign
Tweedy said:
This is a weird post, seems kind of desperate. Not sure if it's directed at me or not, as I haven't visited the thread since my last response to Saltface. But just in case.

Lets say that I lost to a Mileena, and that's why I say she's number one. The truth if I've actually beaten every Mileena I've played on the beta. Lets say that happened, though, and i'm the type of guy to cry about whatever I lose to. Is Reo like that too? I mean eventually, since she probably is the best character on the beta, we're gonna run into too many people saying she's the best, so statements like "you're just saying that because you lose to her", will become less and less powerful.
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Really not directed to you. Its just encompassing everything I read on here and on social media. I believe this site holds more weight when it comes to complaints about a character. Things change and I think a lot of those decisions come from reading what is said on forums such as TYM. I've only been on this site for about a year but I've figured out how these statements play out. It will go from "this is fair" to "this character is top tier" to "this character is broken" to "this character needs to be nerfed" and since this is just the beta a lot of those stages may be removed to just ending up putting her back to the way she was. Its just an overreaction in my opinion but an overreaction that could cause an unwarranted response by Paulo/NRS (though none of these changes are official but there's a chance some things could stay).

Putting her top 3/5 in the beta seems to be that overreaction. I have LK, KL, FT, Sonya and JC (a few more) above her. I will agree with something Reo tweeted back at me earlier and will say that with the d1 she now has the tools to deal with most of the cast. I just feels just because she has the tools, it doesn't make her the best. Characters still have better toolsets than her.

At the end of the day, I hope these changes stick. If everyone puts her above the rest and want to come pour more knowledge into the community, I'll personally appreciate it as it will only help me become a better player.
 
TotteryManx

TotteryManx

cr. HP Master
Second Saint said:
Actually, whoever said May was mistaken. B12 has been in it's current state since the end of August. And yes, Mileena's did do f3 to low crush pokes, but more often I see them back up slightly to make the poke whiff and punish with roll.

I've been getting wrecked by b12 for awhile now so, I don't see why it's such a big issue all of a sudden. She's been able to do this for 4 months.

http://community.wbgames.com/t5/Latest-Updates/Patch-Notes-8-31-2015/ba-p/756091

Patch notes if you want to see what all she got then.
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Oh look, someone that actually recognizes this shit has been happening for awhile now. Well, I'll be.
 
Tweedy

Tweedy

Noob
JerzeyReign said:
Really not directed to you. Its just encompassing everything I read on here and on social media. I believe this site holds more weight when it comes to complaints about a character. Things change and I think a lot of those decisions come from reading what is said on forums such as TYM. I've only been on this site for about a year but I've figured out how these statements play out. It will go from "this is fair" to "this character is top tier" to "this character is broken" to "this character needs to be nerfed" and since this is just the beta a lot of those stages may be removed to just ending up putting her back to the way she was. Its just an overreaction in my opinion but an overreaction that could cause an unwarranted response by Paulo/NRS (though none of these changes are official but there's a chance some things could stay).

Putting her top 3/5 in the beta seems to be that overreaction. I have LK, KL, FT, Sonya and JC (a few more) above her. I will agree with something Reo tweeted back at me earlier and will say that with the d1 she now has the tools to deal with most of the cast. I just feels just because she has the tools, it doesn't make her the best. Characters still have better toolsets than her.

At the end of the day, I hope these changes stick. If everyone puts her above the rest and want to come pour more knowledge into the community, I'll personally appreciate it as it will only help me become a better player.
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Mileena is clearly upper mid tier at best right now. Sorry I ever denied that.
 
TotteryManx

TotteryManx

cr. HP Master
JerzeyReign said:
Really not directed to you. Its just encompassing everything I read on here and on social media. I believe this site holds more weight when it comes to complaints about a character. Things change and I think a lot of those decisions come from reading what is said on forums such as TYM. I've only been on this site for about a year but I've figured out how these statements play out. It will go from "this is fair" to "this character is top tier" to "this character is broken" to "this character needs to be nerfed" and since this is just the beta a lot of those stages may be removed to just ending up putting her back to the way she was. Its just an overreaction in my opinion but an overreaction that could cause an unwarranted response by Paulo/NRS (though none of these changes are official but there's a chance some things could stay).

Putting her top 3/5 in the beta seems to be that overreaction. I have LK, KL, FT, Sonya and JC (a few more) above her. I will agree with something Reo tweeted back at me earlier and will say that with the d1 she now has the tools to deal with most of the cast. I just feels just because she has the tools, it doesn't make her the best. Characters still have better toolsets than her.

At the end of the day, I hope these changes stick. If everyone puts her above the rest and want to come pour more knowledge into the community, I'll personally appreciate it as it will only help me become a better player.
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But dude..she has a 6 frame d1..she is top tier now. Let it go. Her b12 is a new tool that has been discovered by players recently. It's not like the Mileena community has been claiming its one of the best tools in the game for months.
 
JerzeyReign

JerzeyReign

PSN: JerzeyReign
Tweedy said:
Mileena is clearly upper mid tier at best right now. Sorry I ever denied that.
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Reading your previous post and seeing this I can sense you're a bit frustrated. I wasn't really debating with you or taking shots. I'll just continue to read the conversation and try my hardest to refrain from posting. Have a good one boss.
 
Tweedy

Tweedy

Noob
JerzeyReign said:
Reading your previous post and seeing this I can sense you're a bit frustrated. I wasn't really debating with you or taking shots. I'll just continue to read the conversation and try my hardest to refrain from posting. Have a good one boss.
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Not frustrated, I've simply given in. I was wrong. How can this character be OP when Kung Lao is running around with a dive kick and a teleport that has FOUR options? I mean, are these people insane?

I've seen the light.
 
Jolt

Jolt

Uprise
Wetdoba said:
Oh so it wasnt in May? Someone just said that though.. either way I guess that makes sense. Thanks
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Yeah, someone was wrong. A few pages back in the thread I quoted where 4 days later, I shared my impressions of b12 and the ways people could get out, and how she could counter those options.

At most though, b12 is really an irritant more than anything. No one is going to die from b12 alone and Mileena could always make a dumb read after that ruins everything.

As for the whole top 5 discussion. I don't think Mileena's top 5, but let's say maybe she is.

I don't think it's anything close to a run-away top 5 like in the non-beta version of the game where certain characters were top FREE. Brain dead top. Mileena might be a top 5 character, if so that's fine. She still has to work to win. Can everyone at least agree on that? That if she's a top 5, it isn't a brain dead top 5?

I say we (assuming everyone agrees) just leave it at that and be done with the argument.

She's good. She was always (Since August patch at least) good. She got better when current top tiers got knocked down. She did frame wise need at the very least the d1 adjustment (it's range was too poor for its speed, considering it almost always whiffed).

That's about it, really.
 
TotteryManx

TotteryManx

cr. HP Master
Tweedy said:
Not frustrated, I've simply given in. I was wrong. How can this character be OP when Kung Lao is running around with a dive kick and a teleport that has FOUR options? I mean, are these people insane?

I've seen the light.
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You're overlooking the fact that there are characters in this game with safe 50/50s, ex moves that leave them at advantage to do w/e, and safe 50/50's into another 50/50, but you're right. Mileena is top 5.
 
EMPRESS_SunFire

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
Tweedy said:
Not frustrated, I've simply given in. I was wrong. How can this character be OP when Kung Lao is running around with a dive kick and a teleport that has FOUR options? I mean, are these people insane?

I've seen the light.
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You don't even need to get sarcastic. If you think she is that good then so be it, it's your opinion at the end of the day. But just like you and the others can giva your opinions, we as Mileena players can as well ;)
 
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