General/Other - Ferra/Torr [EO Beta] Ferra/Torr Beta Changes

[Angryteaspoon]

I will be really surprised if this makes it live.

 

[ll Nooby ll]

This is wishful thinking, but is the Vicious Command Grab still a soft knockdown?

 

[Helter Skelter]

Nah, Vicious should be the ONLY variations with those MB Ferra Throws.
The variation was designed to chuck her about (she eve has bladed wings).

I'm happy with the improvements, though.

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

This is wishful thinking, but is the Vicious Command Grab still a soft knockdown?

lol "soft" knockdown, after getting their guts ripped out by ferra.

 

[Dev.K.]

Are roll combo's actually viable with Lackey now? Did they also touch frame data on MB roll?

 

[AceOfKnaves]

Are roll combo's actually viable with Lackey now? Did they also touch frame data on MB roll?

This guy asking the real questions, psh
Didn't you get the memo this thread is for freaking out over our new EX attacks and new optimal ruthless damage

for real tho, from what I hear Roll's are now viable mid combo string (but still difficult), Non-MB roll has better recovery and I think + on block? and I don't know if they touched MB roll but I would need someone to confirm cause I'm an XB1 plebian without a beta code

 

[The Big Palooka]

this guy asking the real questions, psh
didnt you get the memo this thread is for Freaking out over our new EX attacks and new Optimal ruthless damage

Psh, I know right?

I would also like to know the answer because I am a Lackey main, please thanks bye.

 

[AceOfKnaves]

Psh, I know right?

I would also like to know the answer because I am a Lackey main, please thanks bye.

I edited my original posts, but as I said, I'm not 100% certain.

@Doombawkz @MadeFromMetal ??

 

[x-azeez]

Thank you @x-azeez for keeping the OP updated so people don't have to wade through the last 6 pages of shitposting (myself included) that should have been in the general discussion thread. Lol

your welcome Bro

 

[Blewdew]

People need to realize that even before those buffs from the beta ruthless can get 64% meterless and 67% with 1 bar from 3 stacks and a jip and no one ever complained. Sure 74% is a bit More but I doubt we'll ever See this in a tournament match. The only Time I EVER saw someone actually landing a 3 stack combo in a tournament was bio in esl against sonicfox.

 

[M.D.]

As long as he destroyes Grandmaster, it's a welcomed addition.

 

[Trauma_and_Pain]

As long as he destroyes Grandmaster, it's a welcomed addition.

+1 just cuz "Sub Zero hater."

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

People need to realize that even before those buffs from the beta ruthless can get 64% meterless and 67% with 1 bar from 3 stacks and a jip and no one ever complained. Sure 74% is a bit More but I doubt we'll ever See this in a tournament match. The only Time I EVER saw someone actually landing a 3 stack combo in a tournament was bio in esl against sonicfox.

exactly rignt, except for nit seeing it in a tourney, tho you may he right there too, except is gonna be like 95% bnb.

Getting three stacks is not that difficult, maintaining them is the real challenge

 

[WiseM0nkey]

Which all come at a cost, quite a heavy one, either with a bar or with the damage from PnG, chef's 74% cost him 15%, heck they might even bump up the self inflicted damage from PnG, in fact they prolly should if this is going to stay. Heavy punishes have always been Ruthless' niche.

What really matters is how all the other characters buffs counter this, once we have the whole package for a while we can start to discuss what's OP or not.

Wow... you lost 5% for an optimal 50% 1 bar Bnb, and 15% for a 70%+ 1 bar kill confirm off of a jump in.... pretty balanced to me

 

[ismael4790]

Biohazard is about to get rich...

 

[freerf245]

Nerf or keep? I don't know what side to choose

 

[SHAOLIN]

Off-topic: Who's TheCoolKid93? Just wanna said his/her F/T is nice. Outside of Bio I haven't seen any F/T players.....I'm a terrible human being

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

I'm a terrible human being

Why? cuz our character is under represented??

people tell me mine is pretty good, judge for yourself

 

[Odyessus]

Yes but also saying a character is "s+ tier but I can't play them at level" invalidates whatever opinion you have.

even with these buffs F/T being s is an overestimate. this is not nearly as big a buff as png cancels.

I think you missed it. I was saying just because people play at B level with an S character doesn't make it any less true.

Any who I feel ruthless didn't need this. Lackey did and he got something. It would have been nice if maybe only vicious got this. Would have fit the program a little better.

 

[Jolt]

Now that I'm thinking about it, would Ruthless still "be broken", "be number 1", and "not need this" if they just decreased the buffs from pain and gain? Would the tools themselves till be ridiculous/broken with the variation? Or is it the damage that makes things out of hand to the community?

 

[Doombawkz]

Now that I'm thinking about it, would Ruthless still "be broken", "be number 1", and "not need this" if they just decreased the buffs from pain and gain? Would the tools themselves till be ridiculous/broken with the variation? Or is it the damage that makes things out of hand to the community?

The damage is irrelevant since, honestly, even with no Pain and Gain buffs optimal combos for 1 bar still hit the upper 40% into the lower 50% depending on the set-up.

 

[Generalbit]

It's fine, let it rock a bit before we rush to judgment.

 

[Wetdoba]

The damage is irrelevant since, honestly, even with no Pain and Gain buffs optimal combos for 1 bar still hit the upper 40% into the lower 50% depending on the set-up.

But Id rather just have a damage boost on everything than just end up doing the same combos as vicious for slightly more damage

 

[Doombawkz]

But Id rather just have a damage boost on everything than just end up doing the same combos as vicious for slightly more damage

Combos are different.

Vicious does more until you hit stack 2.

 

[Wetdoba]

Combos are different.

Vicious does more until you hit stack 2.

But playstyle between variations should be more different then they are now because since those variations honestly dont need meter much all our meter is jhst going to be spent on thise teo moves. Id rather have ruthless spend meter on raw ex grabs for big unbreakable damage with damage boost. Vicious should be tge full on EX ferra tosse stance imo to keep them as different as possible.