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Question - Tempest How exactly do I fight Lao?

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
Just play with Kung Lao versus Kitana very hard AI and see where it fucks you over while you do your pressure.

Usually you get armored through hat and string gaps, and get full comboed on - strings.
What if very hard feels like a noob?
 

GLoRToR

Positive Poster!
I know I may receive some backlash from the community for this, but I truly don't know how to fight Lao! It's not really his pressure, but the fact when I'm in the corner I can't move. As a Kitana main, I can't float against him on wake up, and my overheads almost always get blocked, so the mix-up element is gone. I just finished running a set against a Lao, and I went 7-8 while using mournful for 5 wins, I couldn't even use RS. He also abused his teleport, and I definitely didn't know the MU. It was really bad, anyway sorry for ranting. Is their anyway I could better my knowledge and train for this MU? If so please educate me.
Remember the strings he uses, go into Practice, program the dummy, learn their frame data and react accordingly.
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
What if very hard feels like a noob?
It's not about winning since it's very easy to abuse the AI, it's about the fact that it never misses a frame gap and it usually shows you kinks in the armor (i.e. full combo punishing a 11 stagger into anything more than 8 frames with cage if it has a 6 frame jab).
 

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
It's not about winning since it's very easy to abuse the AI, it's about the fact that it never misses a frame gap and it usually shows you kinks in the armor (i.e. full combo punishing a 11 stagger into anything more than 8 frames with cage if it has a 6 frame jab).
Gotcha. OK. For a minute, I thought I was better than I am.
 

ShaolinGunFu

Warrior
Just play with Kung Lao versus Kitana very hard AI and see where it fucks you over while you do your pressure.

Usually you get armored through hat and string gaps, and get full comboed on - strings.
AI on very hard is great practice but top kl players use tech that the AI just doesnt know about, this is especially true with KL the computer plays him in a very odd way
 

Invincible Salads

Seeker of knowledge
it's fine.

he's gonna get nerfed, and nothing will change

depends on what they do to him. I'm hoping they don't do much. If they go and do something stupid like make ex hat spin +8 or +6 on block, or make his f2 a high, i've already stated im probably going to quit mkx xD.

that being said, i would like to know the opposite question, how does lao play against kitana?
 

Tweedy

Champion
what I would adjust is actually his spin recovery and start up, thats really what makes him over the top, once you escape his pressure you can't even go after him because of it
Is jumping in your main way of getting in?

The reason I ask is because, Spin is incredibly unsafe. Unless you put yourself in a position where it's guaranteed, like in the air, you can bait it out and punish. There's other fast armored moves in the game that actually can't be punished.
 

TheGoldenJew

PSN: The_Golden_Jew1
i couldn't disagree more with the don't float thing...being Kitana Prime's son, float is one of the things that absolutely wrecks any Lao player who thinks they can spin that shit...use float to cross inputs when he's up close, keep lao at fullscreen using fans. It becomes very frustrating for the Lao player. in the corner, kitana can duck the last hit of 112124 (yes this is true) which allows u to whiff punish as well. Hope this helps.
 

Tweedy

Champion
i couldn't disagree more with the don't float thing...being Kitana Prime's son, float is one of the things that absolutely wrecks any Lao player who thinks they can spin that shit...use float to cross inputs when he's up close, keep lao at fullscreen using fans. It becomes very frustrating for the Lao player. in the corner, kitana can duck the last hit of 112124 (yes this is true) which allows u to whiff punish as well. Hope this helps.
Can't you just wait until the float animation is happening, and then do it?
 

DanableLector

UPR DanableLector
you just said you dont know kit combos, we know the match up........I..I dont ... lao forms should be asking how to beat kit....and OP should be hey how do you guys beat lao
Get off the guys back, damn. He is just looking for help. Stop trying to be a forum Nazi. Your TYM account is in its infancy. You have not earned the right to be such a snob. You should commend the guy for trying to level up, not make him hesitant to even ask for help. Coming to the Lao forum is exactly where he should be. Any other suggestion is sheer idiocy. Why go to a 3rd party when he can hear straight from the horses mouth?

****Side note. "I don't remember the last time I lost to Lao" Maybe stop playing scrubs then? Your false bravado doesn't impress me, nor does it entitle you to be a jerk.

Ill apologize in advance for the pop off, but this is the type of cancer the NRS community and particularly this forum does not need. Please be more considerate int he future. Help, not harm.

@SeasonedGeisha You came to the right forum my friend. Listen closely to @Sage Leviathan he's never steered me wrong. If you ever need help in the tremor match up, i can help with that one :)
 
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DanableLector

UPR DanableLector
@Mr.EditUndo Also please tell me I'm reading this out of context. "ok, I still disagree If a lao asked me how to beat a kit I have no idea what i would say" because if you are really saying that you don't know your own main's strengths and weaknesses, but you have the nerve to give the OP the business..
 
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exflyingbooty

This dream has a sad ending
i couldn't disagree more with the don't float thing...being Kitana Prime's son, float is one of the things that absolutely wrecks any Lao player who thinks they can spin that shit...use float to cross inputs when he's up close, keep lao at fullscreen using fans. It becomes very frustrating for the Lao player. in the corner, kitana can duck the last hit of 112124 (yes this is true) which allows u to whiff punish as well. Hope this helps.
float will lose to ex spin even if she's an entire character up in the air, that shit is beyond fucking aggravating.
 

WiseM0nkey

welcome to the ButtSlam
Is jumping in your main way of getting in?

The reason I ask is because, Spin is incredibly unsafe. Unless you put yourself in a position where it's guaranteed, like in the air, you can bait it out and punish. There's other fast armored moves in the game that actually can't be punished.
seems like making reads is never an option with some guys.

smh
 

Mr.EditUndo

Meterburn the Meterburn
Get off the guys back, damn. He is just looking for help. Stop trying to be a forum Nazi. Your TYM account is in its infancy. You have not earned the right to be such a snob. You should commend the guy for trying to level up, not make him hesitant to even ask for help. Coming to the Lao forum is exactly where he should be. Any other suggestion is sheer idiocy. Why go to a 3rd party when he can hear straight from the horses mouth?

****Side note. "I don't remember the last time I lost to Lao" Maybe stop playing scrubs then? Your false bravado doesn't impress me, nor does it entitle you to be a jerk.

Ill apologize in advance for the pop off, but this is the type of cancer the NRS community and particularly this forum does not need. Please be more considerate int he future. Help, not harm.

@SeasonedGeisha You came to the right forum my friend. Listen closely to @Sage Leviathan he's never steered me wrong. If you ever need help in the tremor match up, i can help with that one :)

You put a LOT into your sensitive imagination. Im guessing most on here do.

First off I was never trying to be rude or a "snob" thats the spin you put into my type. I personally think that since it is a wining MU I would ask my community what we are doing. the onus In my opinion isnt on the losing MU to explain the metagame.

I wasnt talking to you and I dont care to "impress" you, I was saying that to say back my claim that I know the MU

Giving the OP the business?????? slow down jr I at no point gave him the business if what I said triggered you that much then you need to cool off the internet for a while. After the OP said this is not kit v lao its a lao v everybody thread (despite everybody giving him kit help) I backed off after I said to look at some fox vids, which is what I do all the time.

" Also please tell me I'm reading this out of context. "ok, I still disagree If a lao asked me how to beat a kit I have no idea what i would say" because if you are really saying that you don't know your own main's strengths and weaknesses, but you have the nerve to give the OP the business.."

Of course I know my characters strengths and weaknesses, but if somebody like lets say sub who has a wining MU for kit comes to me as sub and ask how do I beat kit, I would say I dont know how to beat sub - thats all Im saying

"Ill apologize in advance for the pop off, but this is the type of cancer the NRS community and particularly this forum does not need."

yeah apoligie not accepted.

I will say this for anybody that gets triggered like you. Dont put your own twist to what I said, If i just decided to go crazy on somebody for according to you just posting for no reason what so ever just because im a bad guy then, use your brain.

I had HELL a trouble with the scorp MU I posted in kit forms like from july because thats how I think
no need to fly off the handle.
 

just_2swift

MK1 is the best MK period.
Fools! All fools i tell yee! :coffee:No mere mortal can defeat kung Lao that mastered the art of the God Fist! (112124). They only way to defeat Lao is Lao vs Lao! Or learn mournful kitana and zone him out and wait for him to Tele and punish for full combo! Or just take the fisher price route and play Tanya.:DOGE
 

DanableLector

UPR DanableLector
@Mr.EditUndo I didn't think I was all that mean. I guess so?

"Of course I know my characters strengths and weaknesses, but if somebody like lets say sub who has a wining MU for kit comes to me as sub and ask how do I beat kit, I wouldsay I dont know how to beat sub - thats all Im saying"

Are you high? WTF are you talking about!?
 
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TheGoldenJew

PSN: The_Golden_Jew1
So are you saying that she can mix up your inputs after the float animation has begun?
Correct...i play w KP on a weekly basis and going for the spin is never worth it...the better option is just to wait for her to fall...dunno how many games trying to spin that has cost me