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Why is it commonly accepted that Kitana was a baby when Kahn invaded? Wrong!

mattteo

Apprentice
Does it come only from the Legacy tv series clusterf**k ? They are almost entirely wrong in that tv series. That's the only portrayal I know of that represents Kitana as a baby when Kahn invaded.


In Sindel's original ending for MK3, Kitana is shown as a little girl (10-12 years old ) during Kahn's invasion of Edenia.


http://www.angelfire.com/art2/queensindel/sindel7.html


More evidence that she was not an infant comes from Rain's ending in MK Trilogy, which implies a connection between him and Kitana (unknown if friendly, romantic or something else) before the Edenian War.




Kitana was portrayed as a teenager during Shao Kahn's assault on Edenia in the non-canon Defenders of the Realm series, and as much as I'd hate that animated series, that's the best representation of Kitana in the Edenian days


http://rq87.flyingomelette.com/RQ/C/MK/13/13.html


and similarly in the MK Conquest series, where she reveals that her father had trusted her with Edenia's essence before Shao Kahn took the Capital.


http://mortalkombat.wikia.com/wiki/Dara_Tomanovich



In the canon games, Kitana recognizes her mother Sindel both in Mortal Kombat 3 and in the Mortal Kombat reboot from 2011. She has memories about her mother. She could not have had these if her mother had killed herself when she was an infant.

She also recognizes her mother in the non-canon movie.


The possible answer for her submission to Shao Kahn was given in the non-canon adventure game “Shaolin Monks”, where she was placed under Kahn's sorcery mind spell to obey him and not remember her past. That explanation was not well received by the fans back then, but it certainly seems like a good one after some years have passed. It could also explain why in the 2011 reboot she has absolutely no recollection of growing up with another Mileena clone, though Jade seems to know such clones exist and attempts to stop Kitana from venturing into Shang Tsung's Flesh Pits where a new Mileena is born. This explanation even works well with the non-canon ending of Mortal Kombat Conquest where Kahn punished her for her failed rebellion.


Whichever explanation you accept (that she knew all along who her parents were or that she was under a spell to forget her origins) she certainly wasn't an infant when Edenia was attacked. And considering that the Edenian Resistance and Protector God Argus held Shao Kahn for quite some years after the loss ot the 10th tournament (enough for Rain to grow from an orphan boy to a young warrior), she may have grown up into a beautiful young woman during the War.


But why is this convention, that she was an infant? I've seen this stated many times (but only in the last few years). Is it all because of that awful Legacy episode with the unmasked Kahn and the orcs from TLOTR?


Sorry if I posted this multiple times.
 

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
Elder God
NetherRealm Studios
Imo the kid Kitana in Sindel's ending looks younger than 10-12. I also don't see any implication in that Rain ending that he had a connection with Kitana before the merger. If anything it talking about Rain's father implies Rain was young then.

I imagine her being a little girl then.
 

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
Elder God
NetherRealm Studios
The only MK comics written by John Tobias that were ever canon are the comics for MK1, 2 and 4. I would consider their status as canon somewhat dubious now anyway.
 

BigMilk

Former Divine Power Abuser
I mean technically she could be a 100 year old baby since edenians have extended lifespans
 

mattteo

Apprentice
I mean technically she could be a 100 year old baby since edenians have extended lifespans
It was explained by one of the writers that they grow normally until they reach the maximum physical development. Then, their metabolism slows down by a factor of roughly 1.000.
Considering a woman reaches her peak at around 16-19 years of age and Kitana is 10.000 years old, it explains why she looks 26-29 y.o.

It's a good explanation as far as I'm considered, as no parents could raise a baby for thousands of years ;))
And it's a canon explanation too, coming from one of the developers of the game.
 

Osagri

Fear the blade of Osh-Tekk
Canon lore from the comicbook according to John Tobias himself, Kitana was no older than that age. She was old enough to grasp the situation but not old enough to be a grown woman let alone a warrior. The main reason why she BECAME one. To follow in the footstep of her father's.
And a strong reason why I dislike her mkx personality - she is not noble, she is just a complete irritating bitch, no better by personality than Tanya.
I think her personality is what it is because she is a revenant.
 

BigMilk

Former Divine Power Abuser
It was explained by one of the writers that they grow normally until they reach the maximum physical development. Then, their metabolism slows down by a factor of roughly 1.000.
Considering a woman reaches her peak at around 16-19 years of age and Kitana is 10.000 years old, it explains why she looks 26-29 y.o.

It's a good explanation as far as I'm considered, as no parents could raise a baby for thousands of years ;))
And it's a canon explanation too, coming from one of the developers of the game.
That would really suck lol
 

mattteo

Apprentice
didn't mk9 rebooted the franchise AKA nothing before it mattters.
isn't that the point of the comics? to decide what is canon and what isn't?
No. Everything that happened before still applies.

You can't have a present without a past.

The lore matters to many of us. It matters to me at least.
 

mattteo

Apprentice
If you guys are willing, let's try and upgrade this thread a little bit. Let's argue for a little more than Kitana's age in the time of the Edenian conquest. Who else was alive back then?


Jade? Yes- “They trained together as young girls”- I know I heard that in a MK game, but won't sit to look for the quote now. The point is, they grew together


Rain? Yes- he was orphaned as the War began, after Edenia lost the 10th tournament. He grew up during the War as he was a part of the Edenian Resistance for as long as they fought Shao Kahn.


Tanya? Yes- she is the daughter of an Edenian Ambassador


Taven and Daegon? Maybe- I know some people like to think that they were put to sleep and hidden by the father millions of years ago and that Shinnok's first war with Raiden wiped out the dinosaurs. That can't be true though. Before their disappearance, Taven and Daegon knew Shao Kahn and his continuous attempts to conquer Edenia. They also knew Shinnok as a benevolent Elder God. Shinnok's war with Raiden did destroy a civilization on Earthrealm, but not that of dinosaurs. Their war most likely reflects the biblical and mythological flood that many ancient cultures remembered (known in Christianity as Noah's flood), which historians place around 8.000 years BC, meaning 10.000 years ago from present day. The canon intro to Mortal Kombat Mythologies and to MK4 says that the war with Shinnok happened “THOUSAND OF YEARS AGO”. Not millions, but thousands. That's the only possible explanation. The different one would be that Shao Kahn has been ruling for MILLIONS of years. Millions! As in tens of thousands of thousands. And not conquering Edenia until 10.000 years ago. Oh, boy, that seems impossible even by Elder Gods' standards!

So, Taven and Daegon were probably around right before Edenia lost the 10th tournament, then we get the intro to Mortal Kombat Armageddon konquest mode, with Kahn's threat over Edenia (
) and the brothers rendered unconscious and locked away by Argus, Outworld winning the MK Tournament, Shao Kahn attacking Edenia, the Edenian Resistance being formed and the War taking place with Argus protecting the realm, Daegon awaken shortly after by Shinnok and killing his parents screwing the realm, Kahn winning the War, entering the Capital and killing King Jerrod, then merging Edenia with Outworld. As Shinnok's plan comes to fruition, the Elder Gods are weakened so he attacks Earthrealm, where he is barely stopped by Raiden in a war that plunges the planet “into centuries of darkness”- the biblical flood ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth )

It is only Shinnok who exaggerates his stay in the Netherrealm (“for eons I have suffered....”). Well, he's been living in Hell for thousands of years, that's more than I have lived, you have lived, everyone who contributes at this thread has lived together. He obviously hates it and sees it as a long period.


Sindel- Yes, obviously.


Ermac- Not exactly, but King Jerrod and the other Edenian warriors whose souls are inside him were around in those times.


Goro? No. He was born 2.000 years ago in Kuatan, so he is “relatively” young


Shang Tsung? No. He fought for Earthrealm at some point before betraying his native realm and switching allegiance to Outworld. Then, he won Mortal Kombat 9 times in a row before being stopped by the Great Kung Lao around 1.500 AD. Afterwards, he formed an alliance with the shokan Royal family and mentored Goro for 9 more tournaments. Considering all this, he is probably 1.000 years old. Rather “newbie” ;)


Reptile- Unknown- Syzoth, the current Reptile, is a youngling, definitely not older than a few hundreds of years, but there may have been other saurians/ raptors who wore the title of Reptile.


Raiden- Yes, semi-immortal


Fujin- Yes- semi-immortal


Reiko- Yes- considering he fought on Shinnok's side in his first War on Earthrealm agains Raiden, Fujin and the other Gods who defended the realm and defended the Elder Gods.


Quan Chi- Yes- considering he struck a deal with Shinnok not long after his imprisonment in the Netherrealm


Drahmin- Maybe- he's a former warlord who was in Shao Kahn's Outworld, evil like the Emperor. He died and went to Hell, but the period in which he lived is ambiguous.


Sub-Zero- Not Kuai Liang or Bi-Han, though cryomancers, their and Frost's race, were around.


Scorpion- No.


Kintaro? Maybe.


Ashrah? Maybe


Nitara? Maybe


Havik? Maybe


Hotaru? Maybe


Bo'Rai Cho? Maybe, he's been training warriors for at least 1.000 years, but this would make him REALLY old.


Kung Lao? No- the Great Kung Lao lived only around 5-600 years ago, so he's basically a pup.


Kotal Kahn? No- he was still young during the Mayan-Spanish War of the 16th century, so he's 700 years old AT MOST. Rain's dialogue with him in MKX and Rain's claim of true godhood as the son of Argus sure seems different now, considering their ages.


Argus? Yes.


Delia? Yes.



So, aren't you guys excited about what happened in the Edenian War? With so many characters there, I could see them making a comic book or even a game. Shawn Kittelsen said that if he gets the chance to create another story concerning Mortal Kombat (except the MKX comic) it will be a comic depicting the Edenian War. ( https://twitter.com/kittelsen/status/615707082906402816 )


So, would you guys like to see that?
 

NoobHunter420

Scrub God Lord
No. Everything that happened before still applies.

You can't have a present without a past.

The lore matters to many of us. It matters to me at least.
As far as am concerned the only canon is everything after/during mk9.
that's like saying the stuff before the new 52 is canon.
what's the point of rebooting if it doesn't reset the story and what we know about the lore?
 

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
Elder God
NetherRealm Studios
Well MK9 isn't really a reboot. It's a direct sequel to Armageddon that involves time travel. It does retcon many things but that's typical for MK lore. The way I see it if MK9/X doesn't directly contradict it then it's safe to assume anything from the old time line still applies.
 

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
Elder God
NetherRealm Studios
Also I have always imagined Shinnok's war with Raiden was long before Edenia lost to Shao Kahn. I imagine it being waaaay back in the day. It's true the way Edenian's talk about Shinnok and have met him doesn't seem to support that though. It's weird.
 

NoobHunter420

Scrub God Lord
Well MK9 isn't really a reboot. It's a direct sequel to Armageddon that involves time travel. It does retcon many things but that's typical for MK lore. The way I see it if MK9/X doesn't directly contradict it then it's safe to assume anything from the old time line still applies.
time travel:rolleyes: