Who in your opinion is the best character in the entire game ?

[Slips]

Whose Cassie have u played

I'm not playing this game. Sure you've probably played better Cassie players than me. If you just wanna chalk it up to that and not actually think about it and make a case then fine. I've played fighting games long enough and have enough experience to come up with legit reasons. Simply asking about my comp isn't gonna convince me of anything. I've been doing well with questionable comp since 2005.

 

[Immortal]

I'm not playing this game. Sure you've probably played better Cassie players than me. If you just wanna chalk it up to that and not actually think about it and make a case then fine. I've played fighting games long enough and have enough experience to come up with legit reasons. Simply asking about my comp isn't gonna convince me of anything. I've been doing well with questionable comp since 2005.

Side question, why do you not play this game? What FG are u playing? When i think about Scorpion players for some reason i always think about you.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I'm not playing this game. Sure you've probably played better Cassie players than me. If you just wanna chalk it up to that and not actually think about and make a case then fine. I've played fighting games long enough and have enough experience to come up with legit reasons. Simply asking about my comp isn't gonna convince me of anything. I've been doing well with questionable comp since 2005.

Ok I'll help explain my side

She has 50/50 55% 1 bar combos in the corner

She can make any 50/50 safe w ex flip

6f flip kick punishes things no other character can other than buzz saw Lao except he needs meter she doesn't . Characters w safe pressure like reptile f412 db2/ or reptile b34 get rekt by flip kick. Free non meter reversal launcher into reset

If you ever jump at her u will die either on cross up or straight jumps because of her 6f aa flip kick that leads into 50/50

B124 is superman pre patch f23

7f d3

F34 and f33 can only be punished by 3 of the cast. Cassie Lao and reptile

F34 and f33 and angle 1 guessing game is dumb and are all 50/50 strings that can be made safe w ex flip . This is stupid

Flip kick punishes d1/d4s in the game into a reset combo

212d1+2 is a safe hit comfortable large damage combo starter . If blocked u can build 2/3 a bar and spend a bar by doing 212d1+2 ex gun that jails and hits u on block for 14-16% . This is Aquaman trident rush all over again. This is fucked up

One of the fastest runs

Great walk speed

She also can end combos early w b1 nut punch that is broken because it gives ex but punch frame data on hit allowing guaranteed all options and a jump in

Ending combos w up kick does a quick restand that disables wake ups

I'm now barfing as I type this garbage

This character is F'ed up


@Slips let it be known when the Cassie community biggest bitch fest is "oh god we need stamina for combos " u know that's a sign your character is broke. That's like mk9 cyrax fans saying "damn bro we need to land net "

 

[Zabru]

"Damn bro we need to land net" LMFAO!

 

[Wigy]

Oh you mean F3 skrc?

Johnny cage is a pressure character with slow pokes terrible jump-ins slow normals.

F3 and his d4-which can get completely shut down in a lot of matchups, is how he gets everything and anything going.

Not to mention its not a special. You can link everything into your hat for combos... High damage combos.

Apples and oranges

 

[omooba]

I would love if cassie had this frame data. But sadly, she does not. Might wanna go check on the numbers

i was off by a frame literally a frame AND i said at the bottom some frames where off by a frame

 

[Tweedy]

Just from my opinion. For those saying there's a possibility of Jax having no losing MU

Jax (Pumped up at least) loses to temp lao, Kobo Tanya, Johnny super slightly (you can literately do down 4 all day even on block), and Cassie's hit box still kinda screws him so another very slight loss.

I can explain why I think this if you ask but I'm to busy to type it now.

Pumped up can EX gotcha grab out of any delay. Not saying that alone makes it a 5-5, but are you just saying he loses to her and Lao because they're considered top 3 by a lot of people on here?

As a Tempest player who has played the match up quite a bit, I don't understand how it isn't 5/5. Maybe i'm just being biased towards one of my characters.

 

[just_2swift]

Johnny cage is a pressure character with slow pokes terrible jump-ins slow normals.

F3 and his d4-which can get completely shut down in a lot of matchups, is how he gets everything and anything going.

Not to mention its not a special. You can link everything into your hat for combos... High damage combos.

Apples and oranges

I'm sorry all I heard was f3 skrc ~114skrc etc... look man i get you but pretty soon the pinch forks will be aimed at your character soon.

 

[Zabru]

Is predator best zoner? I heard he get nerfed a while back cause lazer cancels were too good.

 

[Tweedy]

Johnny cage is a pressure character with slow pokes terrible jump-ins slow normals.

F3 and his d4-which can get completely shut down in a lot of matchups, is how he gets everything and anything going.

Not to mention its not a special. You can link everything into your hat for combos... High damage combos.

Apples and oranges

Lao's pokes are just as slow as Cage's. Cage has a brilliant S1 and 11 just like Lao. Great advancing mid that can be run canceled into pressure. D4 that low profiles so many mids, including Lao's F2. His fireball is one of the best in the game for some reason.

Have you tried to anti air with EX nut punch? It's essentially as good as EX spin with a bit stricter timing.

I'm FAR from a Kung Lao downplayer. He destroys Tanya, goes 5-5 with Kitana imo even though others say he loses, but come on man, he doesn't 6-4 Johnny Cage A List. I've played this match up so much.

I don't even know if you said that Lao 6-4s him. I did see someone say that, so I figured i'd just quote yours since I didn't feel like going through a few pages haha. My bad.

Another one was, a couple pages ago I think I saw someone say that pumped up Jax loses to Tempest and Kobu? What is that based off of? Do you know that he can EX gotcha grab through any of Tanya's gaps? If she doesn't do gaps, you can easily punish with F2 or F3. Do people lab these match ups, or do they just see that Tempest Lao is a unanimous top 2 and think that their character loses?

I haven't really formed an opinion on the Pumped Up vs Tempest match up. That's not a match up that I've played a ton. Although, Jax has better buttons, a very fast armored launcher(so it's not gonna get blown up by 11212 unless timed perfectly), he doesn't have to worry about getting zoned vs Lao, he has a D2 that can consistently blow up J2. One thing that Lao has in his favor is that he can full combo punish dash punch with EX spin. Not sure if that makes it 6-4 Lao, though.

 

[Solid]

I voted for Quan. There is something terrifying about characters that can kill you after a blocked JIP and a wrong guess.

 

[Wigy]

I'm sorry all I heard was f3 skrc ~114skrc etc... look man i get you but pretty soon the pinch forks will be aimed at your character soon.

What does 114 skc get him. Some more chip? A grab? He hasn't got any mixups.

114 skc 114 skc 114 isn't even much chip and you need to do it perfect, with bufferable armour that comes out when jc fucks up and blocks when he doesn't its not that big a deal.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Ok I'll help explain my side

She has 50/50 55% 1 bar combos in the corner

She can make any 50/50 safe w ex flip

6f flip kick punishes things no other character can other than buzz saw Lao except he needs meter she doesn't . Characters w safe pressure like reptile f412 db2/ or reptile b34 get rekt by flip kick. Free non meter reversal launcher into reset

If you ever jump at her u will die either on cross up or straight jumps because of her 6f aa flip kick that leads into 50/50

B124 is superman pre patch f23

7f d3

F34 and f33 can only be punished by 3 of the cast. Cassie Lao and reptile

F34 and f33 and angle 1 guessing game is dumb and are all 50/50 strings that can be made safe w ex flip . This is stupid

Flip kick punishes d1/d4s in the game into a reset combo

212d1+2 is a safe hit comfortable large damage combo starter . If blocked u can build 2/3 a bar and spend a bar by doing 212d1+2 ex gun that jails and hits u on block for 14-16% . This is Aquaman trident rush all over again. This is fucked up

One of the fastest runs

Great walk speed

She also can end combos early w b1 nut punch that is broken because it gives ex but punch frame data on hit allowing guaranteed all options and a jump in

Ending combos w up kick does a quick restand that disables wake ups

I'm now barfing as I type this garbage

This character is F'ed up


@Slips let it be known when the Cassie community biggest bitch fest is "oh god we need stamina for combos " u know that's a sign your character is broke. That's like mk9 cyrax fans saying "damn bro we need to land net "

Well said. Has everyone forgotten? I have Lao as #1 but Cassie is my #2...she could be better than Lao if I think about it.

The downplaying has to stop

 

[Wigy]

Lao's pokes are just as slow as Cage's. Cage has a brilliant S1 and 11 just like Lao. Great advancing mid that can be run canceled into pressure. D4 that low profiles so many mids, including Lao's F2. His fireball is one of the best in the game for some reason.

Have you tried to anti air with EX nut punch? It's essentially as good as EX spin with a bit stricter timing.

I'm FAR from a Kung Lao downplayer. He destroys Tanya, goes 5-5 with Kitana imo even though others say he loses, but come on man, he doesn't 6-4 Johnny Cage A List. I've played this match up so much.

I don't even know if you said that Lao 6-4s him. I did see someone say that, so I figured i'd just quote yours since I didn't feel like going through a few pages haha. My bad.

Another one was, a couple pages ago I think I saw someone say that pumped up Jax loses to Tempest and Kobu? What is that based off of? Do you know that he can EX gotcha grab through any of Tanya's gaps? If she doesn't do gaps, you can easily punish with F2 or F3. Do people lab these match ups, or do they just see that Tempest Lao is a unanimous top 2 and think that their character loses?

I haven't really formed an opinion on the Pumped Up vs Tempest match up. That's not a match up that I've played a ton. Although, Jax has better buttons, a very fast armored launcher(so it's not gonna get blown up by 11212 unless timed perfectly), he doesn't have to worry about getting zoned vs Lao, he has a D2 that can consistently blow up J2. One thing that Lao has in his favor is that he can full combo punish dash punch with EX spin. Not sure if that makes it 6-4 Lao, though.

His ex nutpunch doesnt work in on long range jump ins like kotal and lao which is the ones its needed for.

Lao doesn't cause me massive issues. Not played many good ones though. I think his damage needs toned down a bit and his j2 needs fucking removed from the game. Idealistically his hat could be -5 but thats not essential if other characters get buffed.

A-list jc DOES NOT need nerfs.

 

[Tweedy]

His ex nutpunch doesnt work in on long range jump ins like kotal and lao which is the ones its needed for.

Lao doesn't cause me massive issues. Not played many good ones though. I think his damage needs toned down a bit and his j2 needs fucking removed from the game. Idealistically his hat could be -5 but thats not essential if other characters get buffed.

A-list jc DOES NOT need nerfs.

There's a pretty good A list in my clan that I play. He anti airs my J2 with EX nut punch almost once every other game. It's possible. Just need to space it properly I suppose.

Edit: If in a certain situation the J2 is so out of range that you can't EX nutpunch, I suppose you could backdash or walk back and punish with F3?

 

[Zabru]

I wonder if it's because cassie is a lot harder to play online. She still rapes me though.

 

[Slips]

Ok I'll help explain my side

She has 50/50 55% 1 bar combos in the corner

She can make any 50/50 safe w ex flip

6f flip kick punishes things no other character can other than buzz saw Lao except he needs meter she doesn't . Characters w safe pressure like reptile f412 db2/ or reptile b34 get rekt by flip kick. Free non meter reversal launcher into reset

If you ever jump at her u will die either on cross up or straight jumps because of her 6f aa flip kick that leads into 50/50

B124 is superman pre patch f23

7f d3

F34 and f33 can only be punished by 3 of the cast. Cassie Lao and reptile

F34 and f33 and angle 1 guessing game is dumb and are all 50/50 strings that can be made safe w ex flip . This is stupid

Flip kick punishes d1/d4s in the game into a reset combo

212d1+2 is a safe hit comfortable large damage combo starter . If blocked u can build 2/3 a bar and spend a bar by doing 212d1+2 ex gun that jails and hits u on block for 14-16% . This is Aquaman trident rush all over again. This is fucked up

One of the fastest runs

Great walk speed

She also can end combos early w b1 nut punch that is broken because it gives ex but punch frame data on hit allowing guaranteed all options and a jump in

Ending combos w up kick does a quick restand that disables wake ups

I'm now barfing as I type this garbage

This character is F'ed up


@Slips let it be known when the Cassie community biggest bitch fest is "oh god we need stamina for combos " u know that's a sign your character is broke. That's like mk9 cyrax fans saying "damn bro we need to land net "

Ok thank you.

Yea she does a lot of damage in the corner...a lot of characters do and are not S tier for it.

6 frame punisher is awesome. Definitely a tool that separates her from the rest of the cast. No argument here.

Flip kick is a better than average AA. I agree.

b124 is really good, but a lot of characters have their own version of Superman f23 and hers is not good on whiff. Despite having that tool she still has to play most other her opponent's game first.

Having a fast d3 is nice but that's not what makes a character S tier. A lot of characters have 7 frame pokes.

Having a safe overhead is nice but again that's not a huge deal. There are plenty of character that not only have safe overheads, but safe overheads that launch (Jax, Cage, Jacqui, Kung Jin, D'Vorah, Reptile, Kano, Sonya) and they are not considered S tier.

Having a 50/50 which requires meter to be safe again is not something exclusive to Cassie. Jax, Sonya Jacqui, Scorpion, Kano, Reptile, D'Vorah, Erron Black and Quan have this too. Some don't even require meter at all yet only Quan is considered S tier. And most of these character do more damage with their 50/50's midscreen.

Cassie being able to punish low pokes with flip kick on block I'd say was a pretty big deal before the option select was taken out. If a Cassie player does this to you, then they deserve props cause that is a hard read with significant risk attached to it on her end.

I'd rather take her 16% chip than eat her 50/50. A great round ender but nobody is raging about her spending a bar to get 16% chip. Trident Rush was great in contrast of Aquaman's other tools and Injustice's design as a whole. Not just Trident rush alone.

Having good walk speed and run is pretty essential for her considering she has to get in.

Yes she can end her combos early with a meterless nutpunch for guaranteed 50/50 but she loses out on a lot of damage. It's lower 20%. Red Raptor was the first to discover this and I played his Cassie a decent amount.

I didn't know about the quick restand, I'll look at it.

Out of all of these points the main thing that really makes her special is her flip kick. She's one of the best punishers in the game and her corner game is stupid. That's what puts her in A tier. Everything else you mentioned are tools that a bunch of other characters have and are lucky to be considered A tier even if they have them.

Also, lets keep in mind you are trying to blow me up for saying she's A tier and not S tier. Am I really being that ridiculous?

 

[just_2swift]

What does 114 skc get him. Some more chip? A grab? He hasn't got any mixups.

114 skc 114 skc 114 isn't even much chip and you need to do it perfect, with bufferable armour that comes out when jc fucks up and blocks when he doesn't its not that big a deal.

Lao also doesn't have any mix ups. The same can be said about both imo

 

[Arzumis]

Ok I'll help explain my side

She has 50/50 55% 1 bar combos in the corner

/QUOTE]

Are these practical combos? Never seen or heard of em.

 

[Slips]

Side question, why do you not play this game? What FG are u playing? When i think about Scorpion players for some reason i always think about you.

I do play this game. It's the main fighting game I play.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

@AK XEN0M0RPH plz tell him the 55% Cassie combo

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Ok thank you.

Yea she does a lot of damage in the corner...a lot of characters do and are not S tier for it.

6 frame punisher is awesome. Definitely a tool that separates her from the rest of the cast. No argument here.

Flip kick is a better than average AA. I agree.

b124 is really good, but a lot of characters have their own version of Superman f21 and hers is not good on whiff. Despite having that tool she still has to play most other her opponent's game first.

Having a fast d3 is nice but that's not what makes a character S tier. A lot of characters have 7 frame pokes.

Having a safe overhead is nice but again that's not a huge deal. There are plenty of character that not only have safe overheads, but safe overheads that launch (Jax, Cage, Jacqui, Kung Jin, D'Vorah, Reptile, Kano, Sonya) and they are not considered S tier.

Having a 50/50 which requires meter to be safe again is not something exclusive to Cassie. Jax, Sonya Jacqui, Scorpion, Kano, Reptile, D'Vorah, Erron Black and Quan have this too. Some don't even require meter at all yet only Quan is considered S tier. And most of these character do more damage with their 50/50's midscreen.

Cassie being able to punish low pokes with flip kick on block I'd say was a pretty big deal before the option select was taken out. If a Cassie player does this to you, then they deserve props cause that is a hard read with significant risk attached to it on her end.

I'd rather take her 16% chip than eat her 50/50. A great round ender but nobody is raging about her spending a bar to get 16% chip. Trident Rush was great in contrast of Aquaman's other tools and Injustice's design as a whole. Not just Trident rush alone.

Having good walk speed and run is pretty essential for her considering she has to get in.

Yes she can end her combos early with a meterless nutpunch for guaranteed 50/50 but she loses out on a lot of damage. It's lower 20%. Red Raptor was the first to discover this and I played his Cassie a decent amount.

I didn't know about the quick restand, I'll look at it.

Out of all of these points the main thing that really makes her special is her flip kick. She's one of the best punishers in the game and her corner game is stupid. That's what puts her in A tier. Everything else you mentioned are tools that a bunch of other characters have and are lucky to be considered A tier even if they have them.

Also, lets keep in mind you are trying to blow me up for saying she's A tier and not S tier. Am I really being that ridiculous?

 

[Blewdew]

Ok I'll help explain my side

She has 50/50 55% 1 bar combos in the corner

That's actually not true anymore with the current patch. I don't even know if it was possible to hit 55% 1 bar without f34 being special cancable. Highest combo that is possible currently is 46% and that's even from a S4 as a starter as far as I know. I'm curious what combo you're talking about.

 

[conqueror]

cassie is ridiculous S tier for sure

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Ok thank you.

Yea she does a lot of damage in the corner...a lot of characters do and are not S tier for it.

6 frame punisher is awesome. Definitely a tool that separates her from the rest of the cast. No argument here.

Flip kick is a better than average AA. I agree.

b124 is really good, but a lot of characters have their own version of Superman f21 and hers is not good on whiff. Despite having that tool she still has to play most other her opponent's game first.

Having a fast d3 is nice but that's not what makes a character S tier. A lot of characters have 7 frame pokes.

Having a safe overhead is nice but again that's not a huge deal. There are plenty of character that not only have safe overheads, but safe overheads that launch (Jax, Cage, Jacqui, Kung Jin, D'Vorah, Reptile, Kano, Sonya) and they are not considered S tier.

Having a 50/50 which requires meter to be safe again is not something exclusive to Cassie. Jax, Sonya Jacqui, Scorpion, Kano, Reptile, D'Vorah, Erron Black and Quan have this too. Some don't even require meter at all yet only Quan is considered S tier. And most of these character do more damage with their 50/50's midscreen.

Cassie being able to punish low pokes with flip kick on block I'd say was a pretty big deal before the option select was taken out. If a Cassie player does this to you, then they deserve props cause that is a hard read with significant risk attached to it on her end.

I'd rather take her 16% chip than eat her 50/50. A great round ender but nobody is raging about her spending a bar to get 16% chip. Trident Rush was great in contrast of Aquaman's other tools and Injustice's design as a whole. Not just Trident rush alone.

Having good walk speed and run is pretty essential for her considering she has to get in.

Yes she can end her combos early with a meterless nutpunch for guaranteed 50/50 but she loses out on a lot of damage. It's lower 20%. Red Raptor was the first to discover this and I played his Cassie a decent amount.

I didn't know about the quick restand, I'll look at it.

Out of all of these points the main thing that really makes her special is her flip kick. She's one of the best punishers in the game and her corner game is stupid. That's what puts her in A tier. Everything else you mentioned are tools that a bunch of other characters have and are lucky to be considered A tier even if they have them.

Also, lets keep in mind you are trying to blow me up for saying she's A tier and not S tier. Am I really being that ridiculous?

Let me add to pigs post

Her d4 is 8 frames and +20 on hit. This guarantees her b1 string and sets up her 50/50s

Her ia guns also check any zoner very well. On hit she can run in all day and again set up b1 and 50/50s.

The 2 things pig left out are ia guns and her d4. These make the things pig mentioned even better.