I put no meaning into whether top 9 was indicative of him needing buffs or not. I merely stated that he hasn't made top 8 in a long time, which is a statement of fact. That other guy attempted to dispute this statement of fact with irrelevant information.Ahh, so that 1 position in standing at that one tournament with shitloads of people there, is what defines whether the character needs buffs or not?
Just ssshhhhh.
In his current state he does need his 6frame poke. Everything has already been taken from him, and a lot of it was just, but now you are saying this character shouldn't be able to punish either. His damage is fine, so changing combo extenders would just warrant more complaints from the community unless it was reverted back to the way it was.Fix his mids whiffing, remove his bugs, and fix some combo extenders but that's it. All this talk about his 50/50 game needing to be safe and him needing a 6 frame poke is Lmao-worthy.
There's alot of overreacting in this thread for sure, it's not like he's unviable anymore. I'd say he's still in the top 15.
He doesn't have any tools to legitimately condition. B2 had a gap before and it still exists while OS was removed so b2 shocker can be armored.Has anyone thought of just doing b2 shocker to condition opponents to stand block for f1? Not trying to be a dick, honestly curious, I don't main raiden but he seems like you have to do more conditioning with him now where as before you could just push buttons
Also conditioning someone for f1 is pointless. It's negative and only upside is 6frames and meter build if you finish stringHe doesn't have any tools to legitimately condition. B2 had a gap before and it still exists while OS was removed so b2 shocker can be armored.
Just a slight clarification-He doesn't have any tools to legitimately condition. B2 had a gap before and it still exists while OS was removed so b2 shocker can be armored.
My experience yesterday after some matches with @Metzos and @Cimmerian *cough 7 hours* , our reports are:@Nivek how has your experience been since these nerfs......as in how much harder do you have to work with him now? just curious
I was aware of that, I just realized I was thinking of b2~lrcJust a slight clarification-
B2-shocker has no gap. B2-Ex-shocker does.
Buffer the the motion for shocker during the B2, if it's blocked then press 2, if not then let the second hit come out.U cant confirm b+2 into shocker on block. Best u can do is look if someone is ducking or not before 1st hit but opponent can always change his stance frame or few before it hits.
Why would anybody hate having a 9f, 9f mids in this game are good things to have.NO HELL NO. Leave it high and tell the Raiden players to level up. I main him and most raiden mains space horriblely because of that luxury at the release of the game. He need the 6f high if you make it a 9f mid you'll hate life... just a heads up. Maybe ex shocker should hit mid? just maybe lol
Last time I checked f4 was punishableRaiden's F4 goes half screen, low crushes and is 100% safe
F2 2+4 is an advancing mid that is plus
He has 3 different EX specials that launch for a combo on reaction to your opponent jumping
EX superman can punish projectiles and put opponent in the corner on reaction
Displacer has its teleports and Thunder God has half screen multihitting lighting attacks that anti air and can be conformed into superman for instant corner carry
WTF is all this talk about Raiden struggling in the neutral
And like others have said, if you dont have the balls to commit to his overhead for big damage, then B2 shocker is still safe and good for conditioning and opening them up for the low or grab. Seriously people, enough downplay is enough
KL does have a -7 punisher, it's one of the best! EX spin!Why would anybody hate having a 9f, 9f mids in this game are good things to have.
He might lose a 6f punish, but look at KL, his fastest mid is 11, his fastest high is 8 and he has no 6f punisher, does fine without it.
Now imagine if Raiden retained his 9f mid and still has his 5050s, just the threat of having a mid in some situations will make his 5050s more applicable.
Anybody that says Raiden doesn't struggle in neutral is wrong, it's not even opinion it's fact, you can't play neutral all that well in this game with just highs and slow low pokes, and he doesn't have anything else to cover up that hole.
Got buffed in some patch.Last time I checked f4 was punishable
B1 is an 8 frame mid, F2 and F2 2+4 are both advancing mids that are plus 2 on block. Those are his mids, he already has them, Raiden players just arent happy enough with that though, they are so used to doing nothing but F12 from vanilla days that they think that is the only string he has and claim he has no midsWhy would anybody hate having a 9f, 9f mids in this game are good things to have.
He might lose a 6f punish, but look at KL, his fastest mid is 11, his fastest high is 8 and he has no 6f punisher, does fine without it.
Now imagine if Raiden retained his 9f mid and still has his 5050s, just the threat of having a mid in some situations will make his 5050s more applicable.
Anybody that says Raiden doesn't struggle in neutral is wrong, it's not even opinion it's fact, you can't play neutral all that well in this game with just highs and slow low pokes, and he doesn't have anything else to cover up that hole.
Actually they play the character and understand his issues. B11 still randomly whiffs randomly at point blank range. F2 also is 14frames (not exactly the fastest). It's not plus in TG. And he gets nothing from being advantage. No one is downplaying, it seems you just are on the outside looking in. The best representatives for the character (Nivek, Dizzy & Digit) all say his neutral is weak. Not saying that because they say it, it's set in stone but they have played him at the highest level and have the best results which means their opinion should hold some weight. Anyone that plays Raiden can see this.B1 is an 8 frame mid, F2 and F2 2+4 are both advancing mids that are plus 2 on block. Those are his mids, he already has them, Raiden players just arent happy enough with that though, they are so used to doing nothing but F12 from vanilla days that they think that is the only string he has and claim he has no mids
Yeah because the Raiden players have been saying they just do F12 all day and he has no mids #FailFish. If you actually read the thread you'd see they've said B1 and F2 still have low profiling issues. If they couldn't be low profiled I'd see your point but you are not seeing their point, instead you're just trying to find an excuse to blow them up for no reason.B1 is an 8 frame mid, F2 and F2 2+4 are both advancing mids that are plus 2 on block. Those are his mids, he already has them, Raiden players just arent happy enough with that though, they are so used to doing nothing but F12 from vanilla days that they think that is the only string he has and claim he has no mids