TYM's collective Character placement after 8-31 patch(updated)

[MadeOfMetal]

Did you happen to notice yet that I main SDJC? People will blow their meter almost ever chance they get if they can combo off it.


You realize I'm an SDJC main right?

Your link brings me somewhere without a video. Too lazy go any further.

its uploading to Youtube right now.. its processing give it a few....

maybe you can explain why SD has no frame traps? maybe there is an opening that i don't know of?

 

[GAV]

I don't understand why anyone makes these threads because every time someone does it becomes the House of Representatives and everyone sits in here and disagrees.

Agree, disagree - but give the guy a break. He did enough work to weigh in with what he knows.

If more people did this, there would be more discussions - and less people would be in the dark.

 

[Vithar]

bone shaper S tier, possessed A tier, pyromancer C tier...

I disagree with most of the list, but opinions are opinions I guess.

Necromancer seems to be better than Displacer.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

@Name v.5.0

 

[exflyingbooty]

Way too low

• Special forces sonya
• Ancestral kung jin
• Commando kano
• Demo Sonya
• Ethereal mileena(I will argue this because mileena can get out of vortexes with ex fade immedately and has invul)
• Takeda shirai ryu (especially with his new j.p)
• Bojitsu kung jin
• Balanced kenshi (i know pig of the hut will argue with me but it's not a bottom 5 variation)

Way too high

• Assassin kitana
• Wrestler jax
• Possessed kenshi
• Blood god kotal (too much set play)
• Sorcerer quan

 

[KitanawantstheD]

Agree, disagree - but give the guy a break. He did enough work to weigh in with what he knows.

If more people did this, there would be more discussions - and less people would be in the dark.

It's not that I have a problem with it's the bullshit that follows from everyone else. But yeah I'll give him the credit that's due

 

[Deleted member 35141]

Holy crap people its his opinion, all everyone here is saying no my main is here, but my main doesnt belong here, why is my main so high, why is my main so low blah blah blah.
We get it you play your mains and know alot about YOUR main but this list isnt only about your main, relax people the world isnt ending.
I main kenshi and think hes bad but if he believes 1 of his variations his good thats great cause everyone is still learning the characters shit 3 months ago kenshi was top tier.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Holy crap people its his opinion, all everyone here is saying no my main is here, but my main doesnt belong here, why is my main so high, why is my main so low blah blah blah.
We get it you play your mains and know alot about YOUR main but this list isnt only about your main, relax people the world isnt ending.
I main kenshi and think he a bad but if he believes 1 of his variations his good thats great cause everyone is still learning the characters shit 3 months ago kenshi was top tier.

thank you

appreciate it, most people on here dont have the time to die hard test every characters version on every patch.... just did my best...and wanted to make a Variation A-D placement for once...

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Way too low

• Special forces sonya
• Ancestral kung jin
• Commando kano
• Demo Sonya
• Ethereal mileena(I will argue this because mileena can get out of vortexes with ex fade immedately and has invul)
• Takeda shirai ryu (especially with his new j.p)
• Bojitsu kung jin
• Balanced kenshi (i know pig of the hut will argue with me but it's not a bottom 5 variation)

Way too high

• Assassin kitana
• Wrestler jax
• Possessed kenshi
• Blood god kotal (too much set play)
• Sorcerer quan

my response to the highlighted in orange.

Ethreal: had no clue about that honestly, and might i say that is a very good argument.... where would you place her?

Demo: B is not a low plaemnet thats and give or take even MU... and considering she lost her sfae Reload off B14, thats why i dropped her one place.

Special forces: i just suck with her, and dont have very good players that use her better than the others... may just be my mu with her...

also my bottom five is still viable... i dont have a tier list that is unviable.

 

[GAV]

my response to the highlighted in orange.

Ethreal: had no clue about that honestly, and might i say that is a very good argument.... where would you place her?

Demo: B is not a low plaemnet thats and give or take even MU... and considering she lost her sfae Reload off B14, thats why i dropped her one place.

Special forces: i just suck with her, and dont have very good players that use her better than the others... may just be my mu with her...

I play against a really, really good Ethereal player who has mained that character and variation since day one and anytime he's on, I bug him to play.

Its frustrating as he!! and beautiful to watch at the same time. He's kind of an angry dude - so I'm not going to put his GT out there, but Ethereal remains undiscovered, but its well beyond viable.

 

[Bomborge]

@Name v.5.0

That's not really a frame trap, you just end at a few + frames. You can armor in between mimic and the mimic shadow kick and just as well in between the mimic shadow kick and d4.

 

[OnlineSkunk]

Buzz Saw S tier, Ravenous and Piercing B tier Bye!

 

[MadeOfMetal]

I play against a really, really good Ethereal player who has mained that character and variation since day one and anytime he's on, I bug him to play.

Its frustrating as he!! and beautiful to watch at the same time. He's kind of an angry dude - so I'm not going to put his GT out there, but Ethereal remains undiscovered, but its well beyond viable.

hmm where would you place ethreal... id be open to changing her slot... and i trust where you place characters enough.... i dont really have that well of experience with ethreal... but love the dissapering act... and sure enough just tested the vortex escape and well im stuned and crying at the same time... beautiful

 

[MadeOfMetal]

That's not really a frame trap, you just end at a few + frames. You can armor in between mimic and the mimic shadow kick and just as well in between the mimic shadow kick and d4.

some characters can armor it, but thats not everyone... you can pop some of them out before they startup there animation of AM.... its somewhere when the frame is at startup but not active and between where the move is at recover animation to active animation... im not the best at it but it can be timed, although it is slightly different on different special moves, but im sure a main can do this....

 

[GAV]

hmm where would you place ethreal... id be open to changing her slot... and i trust where you place characters enough.... i dont really have that well of experience with ethreal... but love the dissapering act... and sure enough just tested the vortex escape and well im stuned and crying at the same time... beautiful

I would make her A tier.

I think by this time next year, it will be common knowledge. I'm surprised that we've yet to see it used at a high profile tournament yet.

I could see Saltface, Sonic, or Chris G tearing things up with the variation.

 

[exflyingbooty]

my response to the highlighted in orange.

Ethreal: had no clue about that honestly, and might i say that is a very good argument.... where would you place her?

Demo: B is not a low plaemnet thats and give or take even MU... and considering she lost her sfae Reload off B14, thats why i dropped her one place.

Special forces: i just suck with her, and dont have very good players that use her better than the others... may just be my mu with her...

Ethereal: I'd place it around b maybe even b+

Demolition: creates safe 50/50s, i'm currently trying to do tech where i can delay grenades to make them + on block. Trust me, that variation is really really strong and should be around a+

Special forces: This one is going to be her best variation when it's fully explored, a lot of people don't know how to fully but sonya's weakness is neutral and this fully covers it. I don't know where to place this since it's hard to find proper tech for it but trust me, this will be really strong.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Ethereal: I'd place it around b maybe even b+

Demolition: creates safe 50/50s, i'm currently trying to do tech where i can delay grenades to make them + on block. Trust me, that variation is really really strong and should be around a+

Special forces: This one is going to be her best variation when it's fully explored, a lot of people don't know how to fully but sonya's weakness is neutral and this fully covers it. I don't know where to place this since it's hard to find proper tech for it but trust me, this will be really strong.

your alot like me... i was doing the same with demo... btw she was my main a while back.... i switched after the drop kick to combo nerf.... but yeah,,, try 22into delayed detonate, and F2 and F4 i was getting close i believe...

ima place her A because im familiar with GAV, no offense... thanks for your input. and id be glad to practice it up with Demo tech with ya... my online is very badBTW, like 7frame lag constant basically takes away safe strings, punishmwent reaction and so on... i hardly play online..


but if you allow me to mess up hella times in online practice we may be able to get something going...?

 

[Enexemander]

That's not really a frame trap, you just end at a few + frames. You can armor in between mimic and the mimic shadow kick and just as well in between the mimic shadow kick and d4.

Ending with a few + frames on block is literally what "frame trap" means. You're baiting them into attacking when they think they have advantage, but you actually are so your attack comes out first.

 

[wsj515]

amen, i just felt id share my feelings of the placements... god forbid i get actual feedback on how they could be switched... some have but most pick through what they dont like on these threads... just with the overwealming post on how jacqui is bottom 5, really made me want to share my thpoughts after patch, but i realize there is no world where anyone makes a list on TYM and everybody or even a good amount agrees on it.

its just how TYM works... eveeryone will always have different MU experience and skillsets with each character. so they will always have a different tier list.

mine is mine and yours is yours... but id love to here what others reasons for switches are? might even switch them around.

Lol you don't get to take the moral high ground on this one. The reason people aren't really responding to specifics is because there is so much out of place, its hard to find a starting point.

 

[exflyingbooty]

but if you allow me to mess up hella times in online practice we may be able to get something going...?

I don't mind at all! My psn is right there
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lol

 

[shad0ki11er 27]

just asking why is F/T lacky so low ? love to hear opinions from other players

 

[ienjoywinning]

whaaaaaaaaaat how is gunslinger higher than outlaw? And how is marksman c tier? Its no where near that , but opinions i guess....

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Lol you don't get to take the moral high ground on this one. The reason people aren't really responding to specifics is because there is so much out of place, its hard to find a starting point.

calm down, its just my opinion, go make your tier list or tell me where you think they are... maybe i dont understand something, i dont profess to know it all. this was just an attempt...

 

[MadeOfMetal]

whaaaaaaaaaat how is gunslinger higher than outlaw? And how is marksman c tier? Its no where near that , but opinions i guess....

can you tell me where?

my goal here is to get the majority to agree on placement as much as possible and ill change acordingly???

PS. his hat would be one reason
also i had outlaw above then others said gun was better.

if we can work together?

 

[ienjoywinning]

Way too low

• Special forces sonya
• Ancestral kung jin
• Commando kano
• Demo Sonya
• Ethereal mileena(I will argue this because mileena can get out of vortexes with ex fade immedately and has invul)
• Takeda shirai ryu (especially with his new j.p)
• Bojitsu kung jin
• Balanced kenshi (i know pig of the hut will argue with me but it's not a bottom 5 variation)

Way too high

• Assassin kitana
• Wrestler jax
• Possessed kenshi
• Blood god kotal (too much set play)
• Sorcerer quan

I dont think you realize how good sorcerer is he actually covers some of summoners bad mus very well i think it has abit more to offer its just that summoner is easier to win with.