Match-Up Discussion - Relentless [Pre-XL] Jason Voorhees (Relentess) Match Up Chart

[REO]

Let's all discuss Relentess match ups here. With the new patch some match ups have changed.

My opinion right now from the variations I've played against the most:


Kung Lao (Tempest) 3-7
Jax (Heavy Weapons) 4-6
Sonya Blade (Covert Ops) 4-6
Kenshi (Kenjutsu) 5-5
Kitana (Mournful) 4-6
Scorpion (Hellfire) 4-6
Sub-Zero (Grandmaster) 3-7
Mileena (Ravenous) 4-6
Takeda (Shirai Ryu) 4-6
Cassie (Hollywood) 4-6
Jacqui (Full Auto) 4-6
Kung Jin (Shaolin) 4-6
Tanya (Kobu Jutsu) 4-6
Predator (Hish Qu Ten) 4-6
Shinnok (Bone Shaper) 3-7
Kano (Cybernetic) 4-6
Johnny Cage (A-List) 3-7
Erron Black (Gunslinger) 4-6
Liu Kang (Flame Fist) 4-6
Ermac (Master of Souls) 5-5
Kotal Kahn (War God) 4-6
Reptile (Deceptive) 4-6
Ferra Torr (Vicious) 4-6
D'Vorah (Swarm Queen) 4-6
Raiden (Master Of Storms) 4-6
Quan Chi (Summoner) 4-6
Goro (Kuatan Warrior) 4-6
Tremor (Aftershock) 4-6

Discuss.

@GGA Jeremiah
@bipolarexpress
@Big D
@All other Jason players.


Edit: ADDING SLASHER AND UNSTOPPABLE SOON.

 

[Braindead]

That is hands-down C tier.

Damn.

 

[Somea2V]

So... he goes negative against everyone except Kenshi? You're a very established and talented player, @YOMI REO, but wow. I know he's bad and you guys have no doubt tested this but it just seems... cynical.

My inner masochist wants to main Re-Jason now.

 

[Eldriken]

Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick. Poor Jason. =(

 

[REO]

So... he goes negative against everyone except Kenshi? You're a very established and talented player, @YOMI REO, but wow. I know he's bad and you guys have no doubt tested this but it just seems... cynical.

My inner masochist wants to main Re-Jason now.

I don't know exactly how he fairs against Balanced or Possessed but Kenjutsu (the one I get to play the most) is pretty even so far.

The combination of Jason nerfs with the addition of multiple characters being steroid buffed really hurt Jason this patch.

I've picked up a secondary for some of his 3-7s because I'm tired of losing to my sparring partners with scores around 50-12 every day in long sets.

 

[Scott The Scot]

Been playing Relentless since day 1 of his release and I kind of agree. I didn't really think about matchups, but I never realised that I'm the one that has to make the reads all the time. I don't have experience against all of the characters, but out of the good chunk that I have played - I agree with.

 

[Onilordasmodeus]

I don't know exactly how he fairs against Balanced or Possessed but Kenjutsu (the one I get to play the most) is pretty even so far.

The combination of Jason nerfs with the addition of multiple characters being steroid buffed really hurt Jason this patch.

I've picked up a secondary for some of his 3-7s because I'm tired of losing to my sparring partners with scores around 50-12 every day in long sets.

Are the matches close? Or are you being blown out.

 

[Eldriken]

I don't know exactly how he fairs against Balanced or Possessed but Kenjutsu (the one I get to play the most) is pretty even so far.

The combination of Jason nerfs with the addition of multiple characters being steroid buffed really hurt Jason this patch.

I've picked up a secondary for some of his 3-7s because I'm tired of losing to my sparring partners with scores around 50-12 every day in long sets.

I played Pig in a fairly long set the other day and I primarily used Jason. He used all 3 variations for Kenshi and proceeded to blow me the fuck up. Out of almost 40 games, I beat him like 6 times. Granted I'm not on the same level as him, you, YOMI guys, etc, I like to think I have a pretty good idea on how to play Jason properly. It just didn't matter. He can keep you out in any variation for the most part.

 

[TackyHaddock]

I don't know exactly how he fairs against Balanced or Possessed but Kenjutsu (the one I get to play the most) is pretty even so far.

The combination of Jason nerfs with the addition of multiple characters being steroid buffed really hurt Jason this patch.

I've picked up a secondary for some of his 3-7s because I'm tired of losing to my sparring partners with scores around 50-12 every day in long sets.

who's the secondary?

 

[Braindead]

I'm surprised HQT is only a 4-6 lol. I don't play either characters but I thought it would be a lot worse.

 

[GGA Jeremiah]

I was young and hopeful before the patch thinking they would buff my favorite character and nerf some of the ridiculous stuff. I did not get that. Still can't believe they changed his Relentless passive. I agree that if he has some 5-5s they are very few.

I was playing Dizzy's cage last night and his d4 literally evaded my NJK, it went through his body. I am convinced that that move has some frames where there is almost no hit box. This basically sums up Jason as a whole. He is a fair character in an unfair game. Like I am trying to play footsies, and do my stuff but there are things in this game that are just way too powerful for him to deal with.

The only reason that Jason is not absolute and complete utter garbage is his b1, b1,2 and b1,2,2 strings. All 3 of those moves are amazingly good. It affords Jason to not have to worry about back dashes, jump backs, and short range normal attacks. However that is all he gets and almost any other character in the game has dirt that is better than the best thing about Jason.

Unstoppable is still super buggy. Last night I got killed by an interactable and was unable to rez. This kind of makes me think Jason is a character that NRS really doesn't care about. I have found 3 bugs with Jason just this week. With 4 new characters coming, it probably means 4 new patches. Hopefully NRS can make up for some of the blunders they did during this most recent patch. I am saddened, and really want to try and find the fun in this game right now, and I have just been unable to do it. I am going to have to look into other characters now.

 

[Ecodus]

@BiPolarExxpress (don't think his tag worked in the OP)

@YOMI REO Jacqui's buffs gives her the edge in the MU now eh?

 

[Scott The Scot]

@YOMI REO Do you not have any experience against Tremor? I play a Crystalline at my local and it can be tough for Jason when he has the Crystal Armour activated. Tick throws don't work against it, of course, and unless jason has his armour he doesn't really have options against him. I think it's pretty bad, but I also think the player I'm playing against is a lot more experienced in the FGC than me and more skillful so I'm not totally reliable. But the scores of our matches is usally about 15 - 6. You really need to out play Tremor imo.

 

[REO]

Are the matches close? Or are you being blown out.

The 4-6s are usually close and very manageable. The 3-7s are absolute steam rolls.

I played Pig in a fairly long set the other day and I primarily used Jason. He used all 3 variations for Kenshi and proceeded to blow me the fuck up. Out of almost 40 games, I beat him like 6 times. Granted I'm not on the same level as him, you, YOMI guys, etc, I like to think I have a pretty good idea on how to play Jason properly. It just didn't matter. He can keep you out in any variation for the most part.

I could see how they could be more challenging than Kenjutsu with the zoning and safe armor attacks for sure. Just want to play them more first for a while before I comment.

who's the secondary?

Hunter Predator. The second most bad ass character (after Jason, of course).

I'm surprised HQT is only a 4-6 lol. I don't play either characters but I thought it would be a lot worse.

It could be. I'm just going off with HQT nerfs and being optimistic. It seriously does blow that Jason cannot duck EX STRAIGHT SHOTS at all, not even up close.

I was young and hopeful before the patch thinking they would buff my favorite character and nerf some of the ridiculous stuff. I did not get that. Still can't believe they changed his Relentless passive. I agree that if he has some 5-5s they are very few.

I was playing Dizzy's cage last night and his d4 literally evaded my NJK, it went through his body. I am convinced that that move has some frames where there is almost no hit box. This basically sums up Jason as a whole. He is a fair character in an unfair game. Like I am trying to play footsies, and do my stuff but there are things in this game that are just way too powerful for him to deal with.

The only reason that Jason is not absolute and complete utter garbage is his b1, b1,2 and b1,2,2 strings. All 3 of those moves are amazingly good. It affords Jason to not have to worry about back dashes, jump backs, and short range normal attacks. However that is all he gets and almost any other character in the game has dirt that is better than the best thing about Jason.

Unstoppable is still super buggy. Last night I got killed by an interactable and was unable to rez. This kind of makes me think Jason is a character that NRS really doesn't care about. I have found 3 bugs with Jason just this week. With 4 new characters coming, it probably means 4 new patches. Hopefully NRS can make up for some of the blunders they did during this most recent patch. I am saddened, and really want to try and find the fun in this game right now, and I have just been unable to do it. I am going to have to look into other characters now.

I gave up playing Relentess vs Cage. You literally cannot even hit him 90% of the match and his F3 is essentially a better version of Jason's B1 normal. It's +13 on block, it's faster, leads to crazy frame traps, can be cancelled on whiff, can't be low profiled, etc. You're pretty much forced to use Slasher. And even then, Cage just mauls that variation.

 

[Ponkz]

Bit much to say NRS don't care about Jason they literally hotfixed him a week ago and made some adjustments.

Nothing to say they can't do more adjustments in the future.

I think your being generous with some of these MUs, Jason isn't exactly hard to play against, its all in your hands to win the game you read right and you win, you read wrong and you lose. 50% of the cast can now just cheese win game through endless mix-ups. Not to mention execution of his command grabs just to maintain some kind of whiff pressure to be competitive; just doesn't seem good design.

 

[REO]

[USER=14]@YOMI REO Jacqui's buffs gives her the edge in the MU now eh?[/USER]

She has an easy full combo punish with her new six frame standing jab string which limits Jasons choke frame trap game. She's faster up close than Jason and annoying from full screen. She's definitely scarier now than she was before.

@YOMI REO Do you not have any experience against Tremor? I play a Crystalline at my local and it can be tough for Jason when he has the Crystal Armour activated. Tick throws don't work against it, of course, and unless jason has his armour he doesn't really have options against him. I think it's pretty bad, but I also think the player I'm playing against is a lot more experienced in the FGC than me and more skillful so I'm not totally reliable. But the scores of our matches is usally about 15 - 6. You really need to out play Tremor imo.

Oh, I thought I had Tremor in the OP. I play Denzell all the time and yeah I agree it's definitely 6-4 him. I'll edit Tremor in.[/user]

 

[Rip Torn]

@YOMI REO I haven't played him since the patch. Would you say his b3 and squeeze buffs helped him at all, or does he still get low profiled alot? What about the Damned change in relentless. Was it a buff or a nerf? Seems like he has a bigger comeback factor in round 1, but not as much in round 3 like he did pre-patch.

If they do make changes, I'd like to see his exBF3 have fullscreen armor and be a mid. They can make it unsafe unless he uses meter or something like that.

 

[Eldriken]

@YOMI REO I haven't played him since the patch. Would you say his b3 and squeeze buffs helped him at all, or does he still get low profiled alot? What about the Damned change in relentless. Was it a buff or a nerf? Seems like he has a bigger comeback factor in round 1, but not as much in round 3 like he did pre-patch.

If they do make changes, I'd like to see his exBF3 have fullscreen armor and be a mid. They can make it unsafe unless he uses meter or something like that.

The change to Damned was a nerf despite it being a fix. He seriously needed it. His passive now is a fucking joke.

 

[Alright RyRy]

I have been having a real hard time against Cassie, Her normals, and reversals kill me.

How do you apporach the matchup @YOMI REO ?

 

[Ponkz]

I have been having a real hard time against Cassie, Her normals, and reversals kill me.

How do you apporach the matchup @YOMI REO ?

I suggest approaching it with Lao

 

[SaltShaker]

#BuffJason

 

[REO]

@YOMI REO I haven't played him since the patch. Would you say his b3 and squeeze buffs helped him at all, or does he still get low profiled alot? What about the Damned change in relentless. Was it a buff or a nerf? Seems like he has a bigger comeback factor in round 1, but not as much in round 3 like he did pre-patch.

If they do make changes, I'd like to see his exBF3 have fullscreen armor and be a mid. They can make it unsafe unless he uses meter or something like that.

The Damned change was a buff if you have 5% health or less in round one. And a nerf in further rounds and in general. They also nerfed choke (his main BNB combo ender by 2%).

The three ridiculous match ups with low profiling are Cage (D4), Shinnok (D4), and Mileena (D3). The buffs to address this major flaw were pretty poor but better than nothing. B+3 is too stubby and slow of a move to make much of a difference in these match ups. It's good to use sparingly on reads but that's about it.

The only buff he got worth a damn in his problematic match ups is Tight Squeeze being a true mid since at least now he can make a read and burn a bar to grab someone mashing low profiling attacks. But even then, having to burn a bar on meter that you can't build very well to try and blow up a poke for 18% is ok at best.

 

[Zoidberg747]

The Tanya matchup felt 7-3 to me. Then again I dont play any Jason's on REO's caliber, so that could be why.

 

[Rip Torn]

The Damned change was a buff if you have 5% health or less in round one. And a nerf in further rounds and in general. They also nerfed choke (his main BNB combo ender by 2%).

The three ridiculous match ups with low profiling are Cage (D4), Shinnok (D4), and Mileena (D3). The buffs to address this major flaw were pretty poor but better than nothing. B+3 is too stubby and slow of a move to make much of a difference in these match ups. It's good to use sparingly on reads but that's about it.

The only buff he got worth a damn in his problematic match ups is Tight Squeeze being a true mid since at least now he can make a read and burn a bar to grab someone mashing low profiling attacks. But even then, having to burn a bar on meter that you can't build very well to try and blow up a poke for 18% is ok at best.

I didn't know they nerfed choke damage too. Seems weird as he is not a high damage character. At least they are trying to stop the low profiling issue. That was a big frustration point for me. Burning a bar to get nothing, even on a solid read. Add to that his terrible meter building only exacerbated the issue.

 

[Youphemism]

So the hitbox stuff didn't really help out against Kano then? That why you still have it down as losing?