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TOC EdDoughBoy

TOC EdDoughBoy

Jax Bruh
OK I hear you guys! New list includes feedback that I agree with and only includes variations that are most used/most popular among good players. Some idk what is used most so Ill put ??? and guess. Tell me if I'm way off in my choosing.
Sill only in rough order within the tiers themselves.

1st:
Kung Lao (Tempest)
Tanya (Kobo)
Raiden (Thunder God)
D'vorah (Swarm Queen)
Quan Chi (Summoner)
Shinnok (Bone Shaper)
Erron Black (Outlaw)

2nd:
Liu Kang (Dragons Fire)
Cassie Cage (Hollywood)
Kung Jin (Bojutsu)
Subzero (Grand Master)
Sonya (Covert Ops)
Jax (Heavy Weapons)
Ermac( Master of Souls)
Scorpion(Hell Fire?????)
Kenshi (Balanced)

3rd:
Johnny (Stunt double) I'm sorry he is not 2nd tier good
Kitana (Royal Storm)
Kotal (War god)
Mileena (Ravenous???) Shes not trash but shes to unsafe to go too high.
Kano (Cyber???)
Jacqui (Full Auto)
Reptile (Nimble??????)
Takeda (Shirai Ryu) 4th really?
Ferra/Torr (vicious???)

4th:
Jason (Relentless???)
Goro (Shokan warrior????)
 
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Somea2V

Somea2V

Thread Referee
Derptile said:
Erron Black is S tier
Cage is A tier
Kano is A tier
Reptile and Jacqui are not C tier and are closer to the top of B tier
Flame fist Liu Kang is massively overrated and Dragon's Fire Liu Kang is close to the top of A tier, borderline S tier.
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I'm just curious why you think Cage is A tier.
 
Daemantalo

Daemantalo

Not Good Enough
Eddy Wang said:
OK ppl, for now, post MU charts of variations you play extensively please stop trying to group tierlists based on overall character, as far as i know, Tempest, Hat Trick and Buzzsaw don't run the same numbers on the MU Chart.
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Telling TYM tier-list theory-crafters to make lists using actual variations alongside the character. That's blasphemy!
 
MadeOfMetal

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
i say Mileena is 2nd tier, 50/50, safe mix-ups, moderate zoning, okay control with that 8 frame roll/sky-drop, piercing has low/OH armored move. mileena is an all around character, with massive variety in how she is played... in your face....zoning....map control....turtle up mode....reaction frame punish.

so here she is:





Edited by: ESG Jagged
1st Tier:
Kung Lao (Mobility, dami,chip, mix ups in hat trick)
Tanya (Same but has zoning in pyromancer)
Raiden (He has meh footsies but still uber good)
D'vorah (Crazy in yo face game, high dami anywhere, good footsies)
Quan Chi (Good zoning, walking vortex, he gets bad when on his back)
Shinnok (Chip, 50/50s, OK dami, good zoning and vortex)
Jax
Erron Black (, 50/50s, solid command throw,good footsies, and good oki)

2nd Tier:
Erron Black (Maybe should be in first but probs not, 50/50s, solid command throw,good footsies, and good oki)
Sonya (mix ups in CO, Pressure in Demo, and Setups w/ drone, shes just super solid)
Kung Jin (good footsies and mix ups, a little unsafe now, still good)
Scorpion (you've all fought him enough to why he is good/bad)
Ermac (super high risk, super high reward)
Sub-Zero (TOM BRADY IS SUB-ZERO!!!)
Kenshi (Good zoning and armor so defense is awesome but offense is meh for the most part)
Mileena

3rd Tier:
Cassie (Lots of pressure but with gaps, top 3 footsies, 50/50s, best ex special in the game,
Kitana (Awesome projectile, great Dami, she looks waaaaay better than vanilla but lacks mix ups)
Liu Kang (Great zoning, Great pressure, Insane chip in FF, lacks dami off overhead)
Kotal Kahn (Unsafe but good footsies, 50/50s in WG, good command grab in SG)
Takeda (Ok mix ups, but slow normals and lots of string gaps)

4th Tier:
Johnny Cage (OK at everything but great at nothing)
Kano (poor Kano, he's OK...not)
Jason (meh or worse at most things, hard to take rounds at the end when he has that armor though)
Jaqui (FA has decent zoning, other two are just weak)
Reptile (Bad dami, meh overhead, force balls not at MK9 level, but solid mobility)
Goro (Goro!)
Ferra/Torr (underrated IMO but idk, they could be lower, idk the char too well so...)
 
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EMPRESS_SunFire

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
ESG Jagged said:
i say Mileena is 2nd tier, 50/50, safe mix-ups, moderate zoning, okay control with that 8 frame roll/sky-drop, piercing has low/OH armored move. mileena is an all around character, with massive variety in how she is played... in your face....zoning....map control....turtle up mode....reaction frame punish.

so here she is:
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I'm literally going to copy/paste the reply I gave to you on that other thread....


EX roll is super punisheable
F4 alone is -30 LOL
F44 is punisheable by everyone because it has a gap inbetween and some characters can punish on block.
F143 has a gap in Piercing so they can armor out
Low sai is super punisheable
21U4 has a gap where they can armor.
Doing D3~roll is suicide lol, even if the D3 hits roll will get blocked and punished...
F234 is NOT safe, it's -10
People should NEVER get hit by F3, if they do it's their fault. And F344 is nowhere near safe, it's -19.

She has literally no mix-ups when she has no meter, and when she does she takes huge risks with them. All the string that you listed and more are good, but when she has no meter you aren't mixing anyone up, and again, even with meter the mix-ups she gains are the most punisheable ones of the game.


She is not a bad character, but when she gets compared to everyone else she is just not that good. Is she viable? I think she is.... She has to work harder than most characters for sure and she is definitely bottom 10, even bottom 5.
 
MadeOfMetal

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
EMPEROR_SunFire said:
I'm literally going to copy/paste the reply I gave to you on that other thread....


EX roll is super punisheable
F4 alone is -30 LOL
F44 is punisheable by everyone because it has a gap inbetween and some characters can punish on block.
F143 has a gap in Piercing so they can armor out
Low sai is super punisheable
21U4 has a gap where they can armor.
Doing D3~roll is suicide lol, even if the D3 hits roll will get blocked and punished...
F234 is NOT safe, it's -10
People should NEVER get hit by F3, if they do it's their fault. And F344 is nowhere near safe, it's -19.

She has literally no mix-ups when she has no meter, and when she does she takes huge risks with them. All the string that you listed and more are good, but when she has no meter you aren't mixing anyone up, and again, even with meter the mix-ups she gains are the most punisheable ones of the game.


She is not a bad character, but when she gets compared to everyone else she is just not that good. Is she viable? I think she is.... She has to work harder than most characters for sure and she is definitely bottom 10, even bottom 5.
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if you can't trick an opponet into taking a F3 you shouldn't play her, as for gaps in strings all characters have it, lao has many but he is 1 on everyones... F234 is safe MKXframe data lies, its more than safe to half the cast. love to see you pull of a meter right before the u4 on me....im sure i could get D3 into roll on you maybe even f4 into roll on ya.... obviously you dont use f344 all the time, its like peoiple put that out there like the person is only gonna spam the move the entire match... all moves are viable in certain situations in a match!
 
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