"Death to All" YOMI REO Wins Atlanta Kombat Arena #12

[coolwhip]

I said nothing about Tanya and KL outside of only referencing the results of the last major.

Responding to a post in which I mentioned how Lao and Tanya were nerfed, you said:

"Some of these top tiers can only be fought by top tiers, they completely destroy most of the mids and lows. "

I mean, it's either a coincidence and "some of these top tiers" did not include Tanya and KL, who you earlier named due to having dominated CEO, or you were talking about them, among others. Anyway, moving on, Tom. Good luck at EVO.

 

[Evil_Riu48]

The argument I see cowboy and some other shinnok players make is that you can armor out of the overhead follow up. The thing is the low is guaranteed which means you have to respect it anyway. It is not a true vortex, but I feel like people downplay it.

it is a true vortex because if you try to guess the overhead is coming and try to do an armor and they do the low you will get hit trying to do the armor since is a low. that make it a true vortex do not lets shinnok players fool you

 

[SaJa]

Your argument proves nothing. Just because REO won a lot with top tier characters, it does not mean he wouldn't have done so with lower tier characters. When money is on the line, you do whatever gives you the best chance to win, you are not focused on invalidating arguments from scrubs that you are a tier whore.

So every time you discuss with someone you are going to insult him ? How old are you ?.... I'm sorry if I hurt you talking truth about Reo. I aplogize !

I didn't say Reo was wrong/bad to play top tier, in fact, this is a pretty good strategy because without that tech, he would probably win nearly nothing. But it is facts, and I highlight it, that is all. Don't cry my friend, you will survive.

When money is on the line, you do whatever gives you the best chance to win

did I say the opposite thing ? No. However, some guys like sonicfox don't need to play top tier to make money. That's all.

 

[legion666]

it is a true vortex because if you try to guess the overhead is coming and try to do an armor and they do the low you will get hit trying to do the armor since is a low. that make it a true vortex do not lets shinnok players fool you

You CAN cover both options as I wrote a thousand times before. With just waiting for a moment (until those 8 frames expire ) holding down block. And do the armor or backdash right after to cover every other option.
BUT you don't need to do that, cause you can Option Select armor or backdash using ultradavid's OS tech. If you want armor you buffer you armored reversal while holding down block and tap R2(block) and hold it and down again at the moment the low would hit at the earliest possible frame. If he does low- you block ! If the gap opens up - you do your armored reversal.
OS with backdash is even easier. You just buffer backdash and tap down block.
A lot of players have been telling me on this site that 18 frames is reactable, I highly disagree with that because I can't react to that. But if some players are so godlike than it is indeed not a true vortex.
On top of that BS needs meter to combo you back into standing reset from the low. So no meter no low conversion. That is by definition not a true vortex.

 

[ghostwriteous]

I think you missed the part where he placed second at EVO with Mileena... And almost beat PL's pre-patched Lao lol....

Sure Reo only does well with OP chars... Inj kids man.

But he lost, and proceeded to wreck havoc with Kung Lao until he was nerfed lol.

Dont get me wrong though, REO is one of the most skilled NRS players EVER. I just can't root for him as much nowadays because it seems like he just blatantly tier whores, when he's skilled enough to not have to do that.

 

[SneakyTortoise]

What sort of lunatic makes a playlist in reverse order?

 

[SneakyTortoise]

lol anything Reo touches becomes OP.
Why even bother nerfing it?

How you have the gall to say anything about anyone "dick riding" Sonic Fox is beyond me

 

[WakeUp DP]

But he lost, and proceeded to wreck havoc with Kung Lao until he was nerfed lol.

Dont get me wrong though, REO is one of the most skilled NRS players EVER. I just can't root for him as much nowadays because it seems like he just blatantly tier whores, when he's skilled enough to not have to do that.

It's called playing to win.

He isn't playing for random stream monster's entertainment!

 

[ghostwriteous]

It's called playing to win.

He isn't playing for random stream monster's entertainment!

I understand. But there's a difference between playing to win, and playing to win on your terms (in other words, playing and winning with a character you actually like.) But thats just my opinion.

 

[Shadow316]

But there's a difference between playing to win, and playing to win on your terms (in other words, playing and winning with a character you actually like.) But thats just my opinion.

Please, just stop. This ignorance is painful.

EDIT: And weird REO hate.

 

[ghostwriteous]

Please, just stop. This ignorance is painful.

Ignorance? Do you even know what that word means?

 

[Shadow316]

Ignorance? Do you even know what that word means.

You really think REO would main Kabal for three years if he didn't like him as a character? Stop.

 

[ghostwriteous]

You really think REO would main Kabal for three years if he didn't like him as a character? Stop.

Some people like winning over everything else, so it really is not too hard to fathom him playing Kabal while not actually enjoying him. But he did say Kabal was one of his favorite characters on stream once, so I'll give you that. I dont see how he could get enjoyment in how he played him though.

 

[Shadow316]

Some people like winning over everything else, so it really is not too hard to fathom him playing Kabal while not actually enjoying him. But he did say Kabal was one of his favorite characters on stream once, so I'll give you that. I dont see how he could get enjoyment in how he played him though.

I may have came off a little harsh in my first post, so I apologize for that.

I understand the point you're trying to make though. I think REO may be having a bit of a character crisis right now, which may be why he's switching so much. I think he's just trying to find his character in MKX.

 

[WakeUp DP]

How you have the gall to say anything about anyone "dick riding" Sonic Fox is beyond me

I've always been a Reo fan, well since MK9. I don't care what anyone thinks.

 

[WakeUp DP]

Your argument proves nothing. Just because REO won a lot with top tier characters, it does not mean he wouldn't have done so with lower tier characters. When money is on the line, you do whatever gives you the best chance to win, you are not focused on invalidating arguments from scrubs that you are a tier whore.

This^

 

[WakeUp DP]

So every time you discuss with someone you are going to insult him ? How old are you ?.... I'm sorry if I hurt you talking truth about Reo. I aplogize !

I didn't say Reo was wrong/bad to play top tier, in fact, this is a pretty good strategy because without that tech, he would probably win nearly nothing. But it is facts, and I highlight it, that is all. Don't cry my friend, you will survive.



did I say the opposite thing ? No. However, some guys like sonicfox don't need to play top tier to make money. That's all.

Just counter pick bad MUs and use a top 10 char...

 

[WakeUp DP]

Some people like winning over everything else, so it really is not too hard to fathom him playing Kabal while not actually enjoying him. But he did say Kabal was one of his favorite characters on stream once, so I'll give you that. I dont see how he could get enjoyment in how he played him though.

Some people like me actually enjoy zoning and playing defensive..

I understand you are the type that if players ain't pressing buttons non stop and attacking rushing down 100% then it isn't skill and just a "spam". But there are people like us who enjoy more playing a keep away game.

 

[ghostwriteous]

Some people like me actually enjoy zoning and playing defensive..

I understand you are the type that if players ain't pressing buttons non stop and attacking rushing down 100% then it isn't skill and just a "spam". But there are people like us who enjoy more a playing a keep away game.

I find nothing wrong with zoning. I actually enjoyed Sonic's Kitana play, and even m2dave's Freddy back in the mk9 days. But Kabal was broken, both zoning and rush down wise, so I dont see how you could even defend anyone playing such a character outside of the "playing to win" spectrum.

 

[Rude]

I really hope The Nerf Demanders don't target Young Shinnok.

I see you point, but you can always respect low in the beginning(first 8 frames )and then immediately armor/backdash anything that come later than that. And with @UltraDavid s OS tech you can OS block/backdash or block/armor EVERYTIME!

I'm sorry, but you're selling a bill, here.

You can't react in 8 frames. In order for what you're describing to work, you would have to backdash JUST before the point of impact from the f4, which you can't do on reaction.


That's what makes it good. Once you're conditioned to block the low, they go OH and you can't "see" the OH on reaction, either.

You can't sit and actively count 7 frames of animation and then backdash the last frame. By the time the move is active on the screen, you have to block it.

 

[legion666]

I really hope The Nerf Demanders don't target Young Shinnok.



I'm sorry, but you're selling a bill, here.

You can't react in 8 frames. In order for what you're describing to work, you would have to backdash JUST before the point of impact from the f4, which you can't do on reaction.


That's what makes it good. Once you're conditioned to block the low, they go OH and you can't "see" the OH on reaction, either.

You can't sit and actively count 7 frames of animation and then backdash the last frame. By the time the move is active on the screen, you have to block it.

The thing is the timing is always the same. Theoretically you could adjust to that with practice. But I can see it being hard. Although a lot more people are now claiming they can block the overhead on reaction. Funny thing is I was arguing with @Jeffrey Wolf that you can't block b3 on reaction at the same moment arguing with rope here that BS doesn't even have legit vortex)))
But doing the OS is a much easier way to go. And that OS tech is legit.

 

[Zoidberg747]

The thing is the timing is always the same. Theoretically you could adjust to that with practice. But I can see it being hard. Although a lot more people are now claiming they can block the overhead on reaction. Funny thing is I was arguing with @Jeffrey Wolf that you can't block b3 on reaction at the same moment arguing with rope here that BS doesn't even have legit vortex)))
But doing the OS is a much easier way to go. And that OS tech is legit.

No, no you cannot. His 50/50 is unreactable. Why people here still think anything under 20 frames is reactable is beyond me.

 

[legion666]

No, no you cannot. His 50/50 is unreactable. Why people here still think anything under 20 frames is reactable is beyond me.

Most of them are the ones who played Tekken and Marvel and say they manage to block 16 frames moves there. I know that I am unable to do that, but someone might be a Jedi or smth)

 

[Big Pampering]

Most of them are the ones who played Tekken and Marvel and say they manage to block 16 frames moves there. I know that I am unable to do that, but someone might be a Jedi or smth)

If anything I would say a tekken player knows that 16 frames isn't something you can just block on reaction.

 

[WakeUp DP]

I find nothing wrong with zoning. I actually enjoyed Sonic's Kitana play, and even m2dave's Freddy back in the mk9 days. But Kabal was broken, both zoning and rush down wise, so I dont see how you could even defend anyone playing such a character outside of the "playing to win" spectrum.

I used Kabal back in MK9 and had some much fun playing him.

Edit: I kinda see where you are coming from but if someone like me that isn't a top tournament player enjoyed using him I can kinda see how/why Reo liked using him.