Question - Predator Predator weaknesses: Punishing

[jokey77]

Disclaimer:
There has been sooo much whining recently (mostly because of Predator being overpowered). This thread is not meant to be a place for this kind of stuff. All I want is to discuss options. Nerf-/buff-request are totally out of place and not wanted to be seen in here.

@ Topic:
I have a really hard time punishing as Predator. Even after the most unsafe moves I can hardly make the opponent pay. That's because of his horribly slow mid-strings. Our unsafe 212 is not as reliable as a punishing move should be. The range for 32 is horrible. Everything above 10-12 frames is not a consistant punishing tool anyway, I'd say.

By now I even think that this might be his main weakness.

The only work-arounds I could think of:

- instant NJP (followed by something like f122~ex bf4, 4~bf4)
- d4, on hit followed-up with f212-mindgames (does not work on airbourne opponents though)

How do you guys punish consistantly? - Any ideas?

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

If I'm unsure of something, I just F12 punish. If it doesn't work. Just D4 xx something lol

 

[chemicalNova]

I f12 if I think its okay to do so. Otherwise I'll initiate some poking with d3 and figure something out after that. I play Hish-Qu-Ten, so I'll generally try for some plasma caster cancels to keep them guessing between a b31 or a 32 or a throw. If they've got meter I might just go for the throw or try crossing them up to initiate the mixups.

I agree its difficult to punish with him. I would be interested to see what others are doing.

 

[Asodimazze]

In theory f1 and 212 are decent punish, but....in reality....predator punish options sucks big time.

Even if you have normals with a decent startup (I believe f1 is 8 frames), because of the blockstun you will hardly be able to use it to punish even -10, -12 moves.

That's why characters who have a fast special move have extreme advantages over the others.

 

[Farpafraf]

F1 has 8 frames of startup: that's not bad.

 

[Scott The Scot]

F1

However you're punishing something less than 8 frames then REVERSAL GRAB YOOOO ;D

 

[Mr Aquaman]

Have a glance at quans normals

 

[Eldriken]

Have a glance at quans normals

THE HAYUL HAVE YOU BEEN? Hardly ever see you around these parts anymore. =P

 

[Immortal Kombat]

I really think predator is takeda 2.0. At least hish qu ten. It's like I'm looking at takeda forums from April all over again.
Sometimes you just gotta throw. It sucks but it's better than nothing

 

[Reauxbot]

Ha, i knew i wasnt alone in this. Poor Cassie gets whacked by the damn b22. That or people arent blocking :/
I have a hard time punishing Kitana for some reason. That Ass Ram is weird for me lol.

 

[jokey77]

F12 has a horrible hitbox. Besides airborne opponents hardly get juggled by it.

F1~bf4 might be the bitter pill that we have to swallow...

Predators offense is great, once it starts rolling. Setting it up sucks though! You always have to win a pokewar first!

 

[Noserfatu]

f12u2 b22 SS is 21% meterless, 8 frame starter
f12u2 b22 ex SS 4 SS is 29% for a bar

or just D4 ~ trap lol

It's ok that he has weaknesses, otherwise he would need nerfs.

 

[Afumba]

I dont think f12u2 is too bad for punishing... with rc you can get 21-23% meterless... not the world but its ok.

 

[Metzos]

For heavy punishes i usually use b22 (prime example is KL's ex spin). For slides, teleports etc etc, b311. I agree though, he lacks a good move to punish those stupid -10 to -12f moves with push back and block stun. Plus the hit box on f1 is really meh.

 

[SidTheHaze]

i use 21 in footsies then if it hits i confirm it into the last 2.....its not super easy but you can actually hit confirm the 212 and just stop the string at 21 on block. for most punishes i just do 122 since its 9 frames and safe on block anyway.

 

[UsedForGlue]

Use F12U2, B22 BF4.

If you have meter, then F12 MBbf4, NJP, B22 Disc, RC Ender.

His 21 is his best mid punisher, but it will just take time. As predator players are too concerned with other things in his gameplay to have his specific punishes down across the board.

 

[Metzos]

Use F12U2, B22 BF4.

If you have meter, then F12 MBbf4, NJP, B22 Disc, RC Ender.

His 21 is his best mid punisher, but it will just take time. As predator players are too concerned with other things in his gameplay to have his specific punishes down across the board.

I m probably thinking of using rcxxf12u2 to punish the -10 to 12f moves. Although the damage from that string really sucks, even if you use meter, even in hunter variation.

 

[Deezxnutz]

I don't think he can even punish Jin's Bo Spin on block

 

[HGTV Soapboxfan]

I don't think he can even punish Jin's Bo Spin on block

Yeah I haven't been able to lol

 

[DOOMSDAY-15RUS-]

yep, day 1 i felt his slow start up's, and B2 has also slow start up from mid range and it's a high and it's very strange

 

[Olcadan13]

B3 1 1 for days, or if you get scared ex BF2 through everything

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

(mostly because of Predator being overpowered)

..................... Over powered? *facepalm* god damn it. I don't understand how people supposedly think he is over powered when predator has literally no reversals or wake ups... And if you say EXSimitarSlice, then I would like to inform you that that has 22 frame start up, that shit isn't for waking up, that is for counter zoning because of the distance it goes, as a wake up it is absolutely awful, literally every character in the game can blow up that wake up with Normals and it is insanely negative.

 

[AZ MotherBrain]

F1, and B3 are really good.
I think B2,2 is a pretty good whiff punisher too.

 

[Mighty Durpyena]

..................... Over powered? *facepalm* god damn it. I don't understand how people supposedly think he is over powered when predator has literally no reversals or wake ups... And if you say EXSimitarSlice, then I would like to inform you that that has 22 frame start up, that shit isn't for waking up, that is for counter zoning because of the distance it goes, as a wake up it is absolutely awful, literally every character in the game can blow up that wake up with Normals and it is insanely negative.

Unblockable traps in Hunter

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

Unblockable traps in Hunter

So? Knock predator down and he gets butt fucked, you can do that anywhere on the screen, while predator has to get you in the corner to kill destroy you, his defence is garbage, that is what balances him.