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YOMI PRESENTS OUR PRE EVO MKX TIER LIST (RV2.0)

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
i think that has something to do with the caliber of KF players that were present relative to other characters as well as the lesser number of KFs in the first place as well. Fewer KFs and fewer good Kfs still that travel surely has an impact, especially in a scene this small
Perhaps but regardless of those most players still pegged her top 5 because "potential something something " and assumed she 7-3'd most of the cast.
 
Kung Lao should be nerfed...he is at advantage in most matchups and even in some: is Kabal all over again. How can you guys don't see it?
He has everything, except 50-50... but those are not even necessary, since from a d4 on hit Kung Lao starts his dumb inescapable pressure which does a shit ton of damage, and builds even more meter.

Best punish in the game, best anti air in the game, arguably the best jumping 2, one of the best midscreen damage for one bar or no bar at all, top 2 mobility, amazing pokes, best pressure, best meter building, amazing wakeups. Whoever says he is fine is just blind, or plays Kung Lao.
All this screams to me is "Im tired of Kung Lao being top tier in MK games".
 

Phosferrax

Original Liu Kang cop.
I remember when Killer Frost was top 5 despite never placing, by mostly the same logic.

Sadly, as we've seen before, results do count for something. There is a difference between good in theory, and good in practice.
Killer Frost won a tournament through 16 Bit. Jax was S+ tier in MK9 because CDjr won everything with him.
 

Laos_boy

Meow Hoes
Mileena:
Make f3 27f and make her air Bourne on frame 2 and make f343 ++5 on block
F12b4 hit consistently on block
B22 have slightly more range
Make it so she can consistently covert off air sai
Ex sai is mid and has no gap.(since most ex projectiles are like that)
Make ex roll not pop up on the first two hits(idk about yall but this irritating)

Piercing
Low sai is +8 on hit
B12 grab dd2 does DOT

Ravenous
F12 Leap frog is a tick throw

Ethereal
make regular fade have the same recovery as ex

I don't think fundamentally this will buff her. But tools wise she moves up with kitana.
 

Saviorself

Noob Saibot
For a group of people putting liu kane as bottom tier is making me me think that liu kane must be bad. So What they have to do is find a good one online.
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i still think it's kinda silly to organize a tier list in order like this. i'd have a hard time placing kotal above any of the characters above him, but i have just as hard a time thinking he's so low, or thinking that he's worse than and not just as good as the characters right above him. can we get a tier list made of groupings instead?
 

aieches

#freeHomelee2016
SWITCH TO

1.) Kung Lao
2.) Tanya
3.) Raiden
4.) Quan Chi
5.) D'Vorah
6.) Jax
7.) Shinnok
8.) Cassie Cage
9.) Erron Black
10.) Sonya Blade
11.) Lui Kang
12.) Kung Jin
13.) Scorpion
14.) Kenshi
15.) Kano
16.) Johnny Cage
17.) Ermac
18.) Kitana
19.) Ferra / Torr
20.) Mileena
21.) Reptile
22.) Sub-zero
23.) Kotal Kahn
24.) Jason
25.) Takeda - after the lastest patchs - i have succumbed to this feeling.
26.) Jacqui
27.) Goro



and i'd say we'd have a deal. :)
 

Anne

Noob
No seriously it's 2015 what the hell is an individually ordered rank list supposed to represent

Seriously use mmcafe or make a MU chart.
 

CamRac

Noob
No seriously it's 2015 what the hell is an individually ordered rank list supposed to represent

Seriously use mmcafe or make a MU chart.
Tag all of the NRS Hollywood individually so that they'll read. Not sure if they're literate, but at least you'll have their attention.
 
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Euph0nic

Purple Glowy Stuff
I'M HERE TO DISAGREE ABOUT SOMETHING BECAUSE I WANT TO ARGUE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!!!!
then argue!! you don't have the minerals to argue online do you?!
Mileena's F3 needs a blessing. While attempting that, your opponent can look at the command list, pick a move, go smoke a newport 100 and come back to punish that thing smh.
I check my texts before punish.
 
Like I said in the last thread, at least one of a few different Kotal Kahn players have gotten top 8 or 9th place at each major so far. He's a pretty good character, not top tier, but pretty good. If he's actually 7th worst, then this game is really well balanced. Personally I'd put him in a large B tier below an A tier and a large A- tier.

Also I still think it's crazy to have FerraTorr at 19th. I really feel like that character has all the tools to be top 10 and I haven't seen anyone explain that away, so, shrug. Range, safety, mixups, damage, corner carry, corner control, armored moves, jump attacks, pressure, zoning/counterzoning... I dunno what's missing.
 

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
Like I said in the last thread, at least one of a few different Kotal Kahn players have gotten top 8 or 9th place at each major so far. He's a pretty good character, not top tier, but pretty good. If he's actually 7th worst, then this game is really well balanced. Personally I'd put him in a large B tier below an A tier and a large A- tier.
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How do you even compare top 8 placings when the game has been out for so little that nobody knows the matchup? Who did alucard beat who knew the matchup and punished the -16 swords? I saw people being hit with B14 ex overhead and absolute gimmicks.

The character is not good. He struggles with few members of the cast and it's not like he can't win but he's not a good character.

I'm pretty sure that if I travelled when Injustice was still around I would place top 8 simply because nobody had actually bothered to learn the Joker matchup outside of maybe 5 people, even though he was bottom 5 he had tons of gimmicks into 80% damage resets.

edit: not to mention the representatives of the chars he got bodied by could be counted in a mangled hand and statistically you wouldn't meet more than 1 in a pool for top 16/8.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Like I said in the last thread, at least one of a few different Kotal Kahn players have gotten top 8 or 9th place at each major so far. He's a pretty good character, not top tier, but pretty good. If he's actually 7th worst, then this game is really well balanced. Personally I'd put him in a large B tier below an A tier and a large A- tier.

Also I still think it's crazy to have FerraTorr at 19th. I really feel like that character has all the tools to be top 10 and I haven't seen anyone explain that away, so, shrug. Range, safety, mixups, damage, corner carry, corner control, armored moves, jump attacks, pressure, zoning/counterzoning... I dunno what's missing.
usable damage buffs, wake-ups that are decent or safe, anti-airs, etc
 
Like I said in the last thread, at least one of a few different Kotal Kahn players have gotten top 8 or 9th place at each major so far. He's a pretty good character, not top tier, but pretty good. If he's actually 7th worst, then this game is really well balanced. Personally I'd put him in a large B tier below an A tier and a large A- tier.

Also I still think it's crazy to have FerraTorr at 19th. I really feel like that character has all the tools to be top 10 and I haven't seen anyone explain that away, so, shrug. Range, safety, mixups, damage, corner carry, corner control, armored moves, jump attacks, pressure, zoning/counterzoning... I dunno what's missing.
You forgot he has a hat.
 

Blonde_Huntress

Edenian Witch <3
Good buffs on Mileena. I would also add fix the F12 whiff status in Piercing. It's been stated numerous times, but just restating. ;)
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
1.) Kung Lao
2.) Tanya
3.) Raiden
4.) Quan Chi
5.) D'Vorah
6.) Jax
7.) Shinnok
8.) Cassie Cage
9.) Erron Black
10.) Sonya Blade
11.) Sub-Zero
12.) Kung Jin
13.) Scorpion
14.) Kenshi
15.) Kano
16.) Johnny Cage
17.) Ermac
18.) Kitana
19.) Ferra / Torr
20.) Liu Kang
21.) Kotal Kahn
22.) Reptile
23.) Mileena
24.) Jason
25.) Takeda
26.) Jacqui
27.) Goro
This game is becoming more and more about good normals which I like. Four factors to this:
1) range
2) speed
3) priority
4) multi hitting

Characters IMO with the best buttons based on the above list are:
(in no order)
Lao, Jax, Devorah, Shinnok, Cassie, Cage, Sub, Scorp, Kano, Tanya, Sonya, Erron.

It seems the game has switched slightly from 50/50s to block pressure and chip damage with mixups like Batman in Injustice. They make it a little too easy though with lao's ex hat spin, mournful kitana's ex glave, shoulin ex glave, and tanya ex tonfa. They pretty much give you free pressure and free mixups without the execution. As long as that remains in the game, these characters will continue to move up the list.

Those with good run cancel pressure will also stay relevant. Liu Kang DF, Cage A-list, Scorp hellfire, Jax, and Devorah.

Good 50/50s will keep characters relevant also but placing will be inconsistent.

Unfortunately, if your character isn't one of the ones I listed in the above lists, your probably going to struggle in this game...at least thats my opinion.