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Rickyraws

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Compared to MK9 and even Injustice, with MKX this community has been leveling up faster than a traded Pokemon with Lucky Egg and EXP Share equipped. This is welcome and greatly heartwarming. However, before we can evolve into MKXtoise (Charizard is overrated, deal with it) we need to start optimizing.



Corpse dragging is being used more and more. This is great. This corner is a dangerous place, and so the higher level the player is, the more mindful they are of such. But I've noticed by accident the other day that the run animation is not barred by round ending game states. So with a bit of theory crafting and less than 7 minutes with characters I don't even play, I was able to utilize a situational little concept that greatly increases your advantage for the next round if you find yourself winning the round in the mid screen area.

So I'm more than sure every character that can captitalize on this can overshadow this amateurish display of how such a tactic can be employed by their respective communities. So go ahead and play around with this and try to optimize your advantage folks.

With each and every tournament, the game looks better and better, and the level of play sky rockets. Let's not rest on our laurels. Let's keep going.

 
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Certain characters like Jackie and Cassie may seem able to utilize this initially, but since their eligible projectiles pop up, it may be tricky, if not impossible at all to pull off with those characters.
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I suppose Shinnok may be able to utilize this based on an Impostor steal, but I quite frankly do not know all the special moves he steals. No DOT-esque specials that I know of seem to have been stolen from all the Shinnoks I have seen, but I'm admittedly not knowledgeable in that department. @GGA Max
 
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Rickyraws said:
Certain characters like Jackie and Cassie may seem able to utilize this initially, but since their eligible projectiles pop up, it may be tricky, if not impossible at all to pull off with those characters.


I suppose Shinnok may be able to utilize this based on an Impostor steal, but I quite frankly do not know all the special moves he steals. No DOT-esque specials that I know of seem to have been stolen from all the Shinnoks I have seen, but I'm admittedly not knowledgeable in that department. @GGA Max
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Very cool find. No moves come to mind where shinnok can start a run before they hit. Reptiles ball I suppose is the only one I can think of atm.
 
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GGA Max said:
Very cool find. No moves come to mind where shinnok can start a run before they hit. Reptiles ball I suppose is the only one I can think of atm.
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Oh, Shinnok takes his ball? Interesting. Yeah that might work. Unless it pops up awkwardly that is. Heh, now you've got me thinking. I don't know what he takes from say Mileena or Sonya, but they look hilarious in my head. Gonna take Shinnok into the lab just to see what he steals.

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Since you seemed to have betrayed the Link Kuei for Osh-Sex, and I'm not home to ascertain for myself, does Kotal have a totem that has a vampiric effect? Thus allowing him a manner to implement this? Or in terms of things he is able to do, is the Waltzing Matilda something he Kotal kant?
 
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Rickyraws

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Lololol everyone go into practice mode right now as Shinnok and use mimicry on Ferra/Torr.

On that note, yes by mimicking Reptile and getting your opponent airborne like with a NJP into a force ball, Shinnok can in fact Waltzing Matilda.
 
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Charizard has two different evolutions in the very top competitive tier. Blastoise doesn't even have one. There is literally no comparison here, Charizard is not at all overrated.


That aside, Sub Zero can do this too with Clone throw, and probably will end up doing it quite often due to the nature of the character

Thanks for the wall carry :)
 
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Charizard has two different evolutions in the very top competitive tier. Blastoise doesn't even have one. There is literally no comparison here, Charizard is not at all overrated.
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Charizard may be stronger than Blastoise. He's fire and Blastoise is water, but for the sake of argument, let's say he is. He may be stronger and more popular. But that doesn't mean he can't be overrated. Charizard was made into a single complete character for Smash 4, had his version remain in the Fire Red leaf green series though Blue version was commercially more popular though slightly back in the 90s, Charizard has had many full episodes dedicated to him (Ash's Charizard specifically) and is one of the few non Dragon types used by a Dragon-type specialist. Charizard is undoubtedly incredibly popular, and so is Blastoise. But the manner in which he is presented would make an unknowing onlooker think he's one of the strongest Pokemon or something, or at least within the top 100. At the very least, you would think he straight up decimates the other starters. As I said, because Blastoise exists, that isn't the case. Mega Charizard may be another case. I wasn't speaking about that form, nor do I know much about it.


Plot twist: No, I don't like Blastoise more than Charizard. I love Charizard. But he definitely seems to be presented as more than he actually is. He and other 'Ash's Pokemon' Pokemon share said treatment.
 
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But the manner in which he is presented would make an unknowing onlooker think he's one of the strongest Pokemon or something, or at least within the top 100. At the very least, you would think he straight up decimates the other starters. As I said, because Blastoise exists, that isn't the case. Mega Charizard may be another case.
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Being the fastest of the three starters has always given him a large advantage over the other two IMO, and while he never quite decimated Blastoise in any generation, he always had tools to make sure he could beat him no matter what set he packed. But yeah, as far as Megas go, he has one Megavolution that is no longer weak to water, and another one that starts Sunny Day for free the second he enters play, halving the damage of water moves and removing the charge turn of Zard's Solarbeam, he now not only out speeds but threatens a 2 Hit Ko, whilst Blastoise can only 3 hit KO in return. I think it's fair to say Zard does decimate the other starters in modern time and this ISNT something most people would assume, and considering the rest of the current top 100 is full of Megas, and that Blastoise has it's own Mega Evolution, I think it's fair to say Zard HAS been a top 100 in nearly every version of the game and at the moment currently hold two spots, whilst Blastoise stopped being once there started being more than 251 Pokemon. Also, in its own game, it is the hardest Pokemon to outclass out of the starters, it's not too much of a hassle to pick up a Weepinbell/Exeggutor, or one of the MANY water types that outclass Blastoise, but literally only one Pokemon is better Fire than Charizard and it's freaking Moltres, so just having Charizard means you can have a decent fire type at a much earlier stage in the game than you can for Water and Grass types.

Most your argument is based largely around Zards popularity and his iconic status, but I don't think that really serves as basis that he's overrated. Using a very good example, look at Scorpion, the iconic fire character and poster boy for our franchise. He is by far the most popular, but not because he's the strongest at all. I don't think he can be overrated due popularity, as it's a judgement of personal taste which can never be objectively wrong.

I'm someone who gravitated to picking Squirtle on my first play through. But a better example would have been Venasaur. Man he gets shit on in the public image nobody even cares bout the grass type, but he has a match up advantage against like the first 4 gyms of the game, and by the second half will have a level advantage just to steamroll through anyway. He's the only generation one starter who wasn't almost completely outclassed by something in the same game, in the current generation he has a very top tier Mega evolution which forms the core of a lot of teams, and aesthetically, he's a freaking poisonous dinosaur.

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Being the fastest of the three starters has always given him a large advantage over the other two IMO, and while he never quite decimated Blastoise in any generation, he always had tools to make sure he could beat him no matter what set he packed. But yeah, as far as Megas go, he has one Megavolution that is no longer weak to water, and another one that starts Sunny Day for free the second he enters play, halving the damage of water moves and removing the charge turn of Zard's Solarbeam, he now not only out speeds but threatens a 2 Hit Ko, whilst Blastoise can only 3 hit KO in return. I think it's fair to say Zard does decimate the other starters in modern time and this ISNT something most people would assume, and considering the rest of the current top 100 is full of Megas, and that Blastoise has it's own Mega Evolution, I think it's fair to say Zard HAS been a top 100 in nearly every version of the game and at the moment currently hold two spots, whilst Blastoise stopped being once there started being more than 251 Pokemon. Also, in its own game, it is the hardest Pokemon to outclass out of the starters, it's not too much of a hassle to pick up a Weepinbell/Exeggutor, or one of the MANY water types that outclass Blastoise, but literally only one Pokemon is better Fire than Charizard and it's freaking Moltres, so just having Charizard means you can have a decent fire type at a much earlier stage in the game than you can for Water and Grass types.

Most your argument is based largely around Zards popularity and his iconic status, but I don't think that really serves as basis that he's overrated. Using a very good example, look at Scorpion, the iconic fire character and poster boy for our franchise. He is by far the most popular, but not because he's the strongest at all. I don't think he can be overrated due popularity, as it's a judgement of personal taste which can never be objectively wrong.

I'm someone who gravitated to picking Squirtle on my first play through. But a better example would have been Venasaur. Man he gets shit on in the public image nobody even cares bout the grass type, but he has a match up advantage against like the first 4 gyms of the game, and by the second half will have a level advantage just to steamroll through anyway. He's the only generation one starter who wasn't almost completely outclassed by something in the same game, in the current generation he has a very top tier Mega evolution which forms the core of a lot of teams, and aesthetically, he's a freaking poisonous dinosaur.

#teamVenusaurWerunthis
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I was largely speaking in terms of the earlier games which is why I didn't include Mega status. And I also spoke with regards to the show which is why I brought up the Ash's Pokemon thing. I love Blastoise and even the Saurs, but you're right, Charizard was one of the only fire types you'd need until you reached Victory Road. Also, most people kept him in their parties because he was also one of the few non-HM slave Pokemon that could learn fly. Maybe now he can beat Blastoise, but then again now we've got abilities that essentially give certain Pokemon 1 or no weaknesses, and Mega Evolutions. But like I mentioned; Charizard may be the best out of the starters, and even a good chunk of the cast, but I thought his overall portrayal in media, preference in making of toys and plushies, cameo priorities etc. all point to him being popular, no doubt. But nothing more. I just felt like (at least until like say gen 3+maybe) it started to be more nostalgia than actual say base stats or uniqueness that set him apart. No biggie either way. Like I said, Charizard is one of my favorites anyway. He's even on the front cover of MLG Pokemon

But the Smash community did make a lot of good points when they vocally spoke out against Charizard's inclusion. Lo and behold, (don't know about now) Charizard became one of the least used Characters in Smash 4 where as Pokemon trainer was so popular even a co-worker played him. He doesn't play video games like that, and this was during Brawl's inception.
 
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