General/Other - Reptile Reptile Bottom 5

[RelentlessOhio]

Staaaph you can't be seriously arguing that Reptile is better then Kotal. I specifically dropped Reptile for Kotal because at least he can do damage when he gets an opening. 40 percent + with war god for 1 bar is more then enough damage.

Thank you for helping validate my point. You are absolutely right imo.

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

lol

safe overhead, safe low, option selects and strong damage in Nimble. Better screen control, too. Let's not mention that Kotal's frame traps all come from highs, the fact that you have no reason not to block high unless you're fighting War God, approximately the same amount of reach on both f2's, or that Sun God requires you to land 3 command grabs to actually get that damage, and War God tops out at just around 40% or that you can still backdash his frame traps. Fast pokes aren't a necessity in this game, they're slower on average in this game anyway.

But sure, bring up a whole bunch of totally irrelevant shit when the argument was Reptile being the worst zoner. Still doesn't change the fact that Sun Disc is 42 frames for a "mid" hitting projectile with negligible frame advantage that you can run from full screen and stuff before it comes out.


goodbye

Yes b/c those safe overheads and lows lead to soooo much damage. And what exactly do they give him on block?

Whereas any of Kotal's options lead to metric fucktons of damage.

Fast pokes aren't a necessity? lol ok... tell that to reptile when he can't get out of most blockstring pressure in the game. Guess who can?? Kotal. But nah... that's not necessary... just sit there and eat chip for days into constant 50/50 guesses.

 

[RYX]

Yes b/c those safe overheads and lows lead to soooo much damage. And what exactly do they give him on block?

Whereas any of Kotal's options lead to metric fucktons of damage.

Fast pokes aren't a necessity? lol ok... tell that to reptile when he can't get out of most blockstring pressure in the game. Guess who can?? Kotal. But nah... that's not necessary... just sit there and eat chip for days into constant 50/50 guesses.

Kotal has big damage because he lacks in tools outside of mid range and overhead/low mix-ups; his highest damaging mid-screen combos are from an 18 frame mid. Reptile's damage is low because he has both options that come out extremely fast.

That's kind of how game balance works.

 

[Saviorself]

lol

safe overhead, safe low, option selects and strong damage in Nimble. Better screen control, too. Let's not mention that Kotal's frame traps all come from highs, the fact that you have no reason not to block high unless you're fighting War God, approximately the same amount of reach on both f2's, or that Sun God requires you to land 3 command grabs to actually get that damage, and War God tops out at just around 40% or that you can still backdash his frame traps. Fast pokes aren't a necessity in this game, they're slower on average in this game anyway.

But sure, bring up a whole bunch of totally irrelevant shit when the argument was Reptile being the worst zoner. Still doesn't change the fact that Sun Disc is 42 frames for a "mid" hitting projectile with negligible frame advantage that you can run from full screen and stuff before it comes out.


goodbye

Comparing Reptile's best tools vs Kotal's worse tools.

Kotal so bad.

 

[mamasau]

Yes b/c those safe overheads and lows lead to soooo much damage. And what exactly do they give him on block?

Whereas any of Kotal's options lead to metric fucktons of damage.

Fast pokes aren't a necessity? lol ok... tell that to reptile when he can't get out of most blockstring pressure in the game. Guess who can?? Kotal. But nah... that's not necessary... just sit there and eat chip for days into constant 50/50 guesses.

I think this final match can summarize reptile's problems.
3:24 for reptile match
Yes Jax is good, and Hitbox Tyrant is really a monster, but chris' reptile could do really few things

btw ryx is right about sun god kotal kahn, his projectile can be used only in enhanced mode and beside dmg donesn't bring a launcher or maybe hkd?

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

btw ryx is right about sun god kotal kahn, his projectile can be used only in enhanced mode and beside dmg donesn't bring a launcher or maybe hkd?

What are you trying to show here?

Reptile got bodied. lol

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

Kotal has big damage because he lacks in tools outside of mid range and overhead/low mix-ups; his highest damaging mid-screen combos are from an 18 frame mid. Reptile's damage is low because he has both options that come out extremely fast.

That's kind of how game balance works.

Reptile's tools outside of mid range are just as terrible!!! lol wtf

Cherry picking reptile shit to put against kotals.

 

[Levaranoia]

What are you trying to show here?

Reptile got bodied. lol

He's showing that you need fast pokes or you;re screwed lol

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

He's showing that you need fast pokes or you;re screwed lol

Well he was agreeing with ryx about something so... I was like... I hope that video isn't trying to show something good about reptile b/c I watched that last night and Chris G's Reptile got straight bopped after the "surprise! you're fighting reptile" advantage wore off. haha

 

[qspec]

There are plenty of characters with slow pokes.

There is also a fair amount of cherry picking on the 'reptile sucks' team, so I'd be careful before hurling that shit around.

Finally, even were I to grant that reptile needs some buffs, I have a feeling that the vast majority of you are still mostly suffering from a severe case of the ”learn to plays".

In any case, a damage buff has been confirmed, and damage is what people bitch about when you mention a reptile tool (like fast overheads), so can we please shut the fuck up for a while and let it play out?

Jesus the reptile community has made the rest of TYM look positively reasonable which is an accomplishment in and of itself.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

I think this final match can summarize reptile's problems.
3:24 for reptile match
Yes Jax is good, and Hitbox Tyrant is really a monster, but chris' reptile could do really few things

btw ryx is right about sun god kotal kahn, his projectile can be used only in enhanced mode and beside dmg donesn't bring a launcher or maybe hkd?

Lol Reptile couldn't poke.
Lol Goro had a better chance than Reptile

 

[Saviorself]

Jesus the reptile community has made the rest of TYM look positively reasonable which is an accomplishment in and of itself.

How so? No one that is a serious reptile player is saying he is useless but he is bottom 5.

He doesn't have to be top 5, just a chance to vs the top tier without being shitted on.

I know tier lists aren't to be taken seriously at the moment but when people characters in certain tier rankings, it really shows their knowledge of the game thus far.

 

[Qwark28]

Pls don't compare reptile to kotal. You're both wrong about each other's characters.

 

[Big Pampering]

While I am done with this BS, You guys can't bring up reptile having low damage as an argument anymore because that has been confirmed to be buffed soon.

 

[Zoidberg747]

There are plenty of characters with slow pokes.

There is also a fair amount of cherry picking on the 'reptile sucks' team, so I'd be careful before hurling that shit around.

Finally, even were I to grant that reptile needs some buffs, I have a feeling that the vast majority of you are still mostly suffering from a severe case of the ”learn to plays".

In any case, a damage buff has been confirmed, and damage is what people bitch about when you mention a reptile tool (like fast overheads), so can we please shut the fuck up for a while and let it play out?

Jesus the reptile community has made the rest of TYM look positively reasonable which is an accomplishment in and of itself.

The kitana community still has them beat IMO

 

[qspec]

How so? No one that is a serious reptile player is saying he is useless but he is bottom 5.

He doesn't have to be top 5, just a chance to vs the top tier without being shitted on.

I know tier lists aren't to be taken seriously at the moment but when people characters in certain tier rankings, it really shows their knowledge of the game thus far.

How has this thread made the rest of TYM look reasonable? Let me sum up:

Reptile Fans - "Reptile needs buffs!"
People - "Reptile will be getting a damage buff shortly."
Reptile Fans - "Reptile needs more buffs!"

Or my personal favorite:
Reptile Fans - "Reptile needs things."
People - "He has things, and they are good when used properly too."
Reptile Fans - "But the damage is too low from those things."
People - "But you're getting a damage buff."
Reptile Fans - "But Reptile needs things."
People - " He has things."
Reptile Fans - "But those things don't lead to damage."
People - "But you're getting a damage buff."
(repeat until you're bored)

 

[qspec]

The kitana community still has them beat IMO

In fairness, Kitana is almost certainly sitting worse off than Reptile though *braces for impact*.

 

[Zaccel]

Or my personal favorite:
Reptile Fans - "Reptile needs things."
People - "He has things, and they are good when used properly too."
Reptile Fans - "But the damage is too low from those things."
People - "But you're getting a damage buff."
Reptile Fans - "But Reptile needs things."
People - " He has things."
Reptile Fans - "But those things don't lead to damage."
People - "But you're getting a damage buff."
(repeat until you're bored)

Different players are going to have different opinions on the subject. Some Reptile fans just want damage, some just want better "things" (like myself), and others want both, which is silly, but so what? Criticizing them for being different people is nonsensical, even if they're asking the world from NRS.

Yes, Reptile has "things". Personally, his buttons seem fine--not every character should have 6-7 frame jabs, and the range and frames are adequate. b2 is awesome. d4 is great. b34 is solid. But those aren't the moves Reptile players are critical of, and drawing their attention to the the tools that do work does nothing to mitigate the obvious issues with moves like db4, meterless db2, or forceballs. Regardless of people's opinions and regardless of who is or isn't also in need of improvement (like Kitana), Reptile has problems, and they ought to be looked at just like any other character's.

I really hope that confirmed damage buff is reconsidered; "damage" is not an adequate means of improving pointless moves.

 

[Shark Tank]

Different players are going to have different opinions on the subject. Some Reptile fans just want damage, some just want better "things" (like myself), and others want both, which is silly, but so what? Criticizing them for being different people is nonsensical, even if they're asking the world from NRS.

Yes, Reptile has "things". Personally, his buttons seem fine--not every character should have 6-7 frame jabs, and the range and frames are adequate. b2 is awesome. d4 is great. b34 is solid. But those aren't the moves Reptile players are critical of, and drawing their attention to the the tools that do work does nothing to mitigate the obvious issues with moves like db4, meterless db2, or forceballs. Regardless of people's opinions and regardless of who is or isn't also in need of improvement (like Kitana), Reptile has problems, and they ought to be looked at just like any other character's.

I really hope that confirmed damage buff is reconsidered; "damage" is not an adequate means of improving pointless moves.

And last thing this game needs is more damage off of mix up options and I think reptiles damage should be leaned more to by everyone but's my opinion on the game. I'd kill for better fb but something>nothing

 

[qspec]

Different players are going to have different opinions on the subject. Some Reptile fans just want damage, some just want better "things" (like myself), and others want both, which is silly, but so what? Criticizing them for being different people is nonsensical, even if they're asking the world from NRS.

Yes, Reptile has "things". Personally, his buttons seem fine--not every character should have 6-7 frame jabs, and the range and frames are adequate. b2 is awesome. d4 is great. b34 is solid. But those aren't the moves Reptile players are critical of, and drawing their attention to the the tools that do work does nothing to mitigate the obvious issues with moves like db4, meterless db2, or forceballs. Regardless of people's opinions and regardless of who is or isn't also in need of improvement (like Kitana), Reptile has problems, and they ought to be looked at just like any other character's.

I really hope that confirmed damage buff is reconsidered; "damage" is not an adequate means of improving pointless moves.

I'm not criticizing them for being different people. I'm criticizing them for being annoying people.

It takes one post to say, "Hey I think the damage buff is the wrong way to approach buffing Reptile, but I guess we'll wait it out and see." But one post is not what we get...

And while you seem perfectly reasonable, many people in this thread do want him to have a 6-7 frame jab, and a buff to f412, and a buff to f21, oh and give him the fastest reversal in the game, and for good measure we'd like an armored overhead, and then they bitch about how b34 doesn't net enough damage. And that's the shit you have to sort though before you can even reasonably being to discuss FB recovery, whether his damage is good, bad, or fair, etc..

And give me one character in the game that makes good use of all of their normals/combos/specials. I think we've set the bar for what we want higher than what even decent characters get.

 

[Zaccel]

I'm not criticizing them for being different people. I'm criticizing them for being annoying people.

Granted, some are, but being "annoying" doesn't necessarily make criticisms of Reptile less valid.

And give me one character in the game that makes good use of all of their normals/combos/specials. I think we've set the bar for what we want higher than what even decent characters get.

None. That's why I said that, regardless of his tier standing, Reptile's pointless moves ought to be looked at just as much as everybody else's pointless moves. Even characters who are already good should be interested in using their full movelist. In Reptile's case, I think making some of his special moves work "as intended" would cover more ground than damage percentages, and it may be that way for other characters as well (the things I would do if I were in charge of Ethereal Mileena...).

There was a topic on "useless strings/moves", and while Reptile has a handful (as do most characters), making some fluff strings more inviting is less important for Reptile. In my opinion, anyway. Maybe the opposite is true for other characters (Kitana?), I dunno.

 

[feedyourcatbro]

In fairness, Kitana is almost certainly sitting worse off than Reptile though *braces for impact*.

I respectfully disagree, but I think they're pretty close. Reptile has some pretty dumb QOL issues that need to be sorted out.

 

[esc1]

A 5% spit, 8% slide even with EX, FB's and variations that requires a bar, all terribly unsafe specials, slow pokes, low damage, terrible ways to build meter.. why would anyone even argue Reptile is viable other than to troll.

 

[RapZiLLa54]

I think this final match can summarize reptile's problems.
3:24 for reptile match
Yes Jax is good, and Hitbox Tyrant is really a monster, but chris' reptile could do really few things

btw ryx is right about sun god kotal kahn, his projectile can be used only in enhanced mode and beside dmg donesn't bring a launcher or maybe hkd?

LOL poor reptile. Hopefully one day he'll get to play this game like the others.

 

[RapZiLLa54]

@AoK Ryan so how does it make you feel to watch that video, see how Reptile can't deal with anything and then have Chris G not pick Kung Jin but pick Goro and do better? lol