General/Other - Pyromancer Tanya Pyromancer Discussion Thread

[Gesture Required Ahead]

Again, flick whiffing is a bug. If it didn't whiff, his zoning would be fine.

Tanya's travel speed is fine. What do you want? Kitana speed and start up projectiles that hit mid, do 7%, and can be set up for 17%?

Shinnok's flick is -4 on block, if it didn't whiff it'd be broken. And you're saying Tanya is good only because of POTENTIAL damage? That doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Eddy Wang]

@General M2Dave if you're expecting her zoning to be any good, you'll be very disappointed. Her fireballs are very negative on block and you would be more reliant on teleporting away and threatening with very unsafe mix-ups.

I'm just glad her fitty fitties are not on the same level as Kung Jin, Erron Black, Sonya etc.

She's basically Reptile with a teleport. A character with a gameplan of a madman.

It's still very early though, maybe someone will find something good. But my day 1 Tanya is not looking promising.

most ppl today play with risks of low and overheads for days, since most ppl expect those i think her game plan my be totally away from this, i will see this saturday though.

 

[vegeta]

Gonna hit the lab in about 2 hrs. This variation first. All her variants look fun but this one caught my eye first

 

[Rude]

Shinnok's flick is -4 on block, if it didn't whiff it'd be broken. And you're saying Tanya is good only because of POTENTIAL damage? That doesn't make sense to me.

No, i said Tanya's zoning is good, period. 7% is fine for a projectile. The 17% is icing on the cake.

 

[xXstealthflameXx]

@Fraud Blank
What doesn't make sense to ME is your negativity and overall arguing day ONE. Leave it alone please, or I'll ask for mod assistance. JFC maybe her zoning will be terrible. Who cares. Leave it.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

@Fraud Blank
What doesn't make sense to ME is your negativity and overall arguing day ONE. Leave it alone please, or I'll ask for mod assistance. JFC maybe her zoning will be terrible. Who cares. Leave it.

I stated multiple times that it's early and I could be wrong. It's my first impressions. Read my previous posts before assuming things.

No, i said Tanya's zoning is good, period. 7% is fine for a projectile. The 17% is icing on the cake.

We're just saying the same things then. Except to you it's good, and to me, it's not.

 

[xXstealthflameXx]

I stated multiple times that it's early and I could be wrong. It's my first impressions. Read my previous posts before assuming things.

I read every one. But there's no need for 5 separate comments heavily downplaying for no reason.

 

[Rude]

I stated multiple times that it's early and I could be wrong. It's my first impressions. Read my previous posts before assuming things.



We're just saying the same things then. Except to you it's good, and to me, it's not.

If I'm saying her zoning is good and you are saying it is not, then no we are not saying the same things.

We are, in fact, saying opposite things.

These are the meanings of words.

 

[Reauxbot]

If I'm saying her zoning is good and you are saying it is not, then no we are not saying the same things.

We are, in fact, saying opposite things.

These are the meanings of words.

I actually kinda lold here

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

If I'm saying her zoning is good and you are saying it is not, then no we are not saying the same things.

We are, in fact, saying opposite things.

These are the meanings of words.

By same things I mean we're both talking about the same tools yet preceive them differently.

I read every one. But there's no need for 5 separate comments heavily downplaying for no reason.

I'm having a discussion with Rude about her zoning. He's arguing that they're good, I'm arguing that they're not. You see that as downplaying, and I don't care.

 

[Rude]

By same things I mean we're both talking about the same tools yet preceive them differently.

Well, how else are we supposed to talk about the character?
Mind reading? The tools are the tools. They don't change.

 

[Reauxbot]

Anyone going to discuss if that "instant" Air Teleport and possible shenanigans? Didnt get much practice with her snd im at work. All threads seemed to have died quick.
Can we get back to topic

 

[xXstealthflameXx]

Anyone going to discuss if that "instant" Air Teleport and possible shenanigans? Didnt get much practice with her snd im at work. All threads seemed to have died quick.
Can we get back to topic

I will once she's out for me .-. I tried but they insist on pointless chatter when the frame data is the truth (not necessarily the game's frame data).

 

[Reauxbot]

I will once she's out for me .-. I tried but they insist on pointless chatter when the frame data is the truth (not necessarily the game's frame data).

Not trying to dide with anyone. But i feel like her zoning is cool. Teleport shenanigans with Johnnys Fireball... Im cool with that. Id rather have some tech talk.
You must be PS4. :/.i feel for you. Shes pretty fun!

 

[SaltShaker]

Not trying to dide with anyone. But i feel like her zoning is cool. Teleport shenanigans with Johnnys Fireball... Im cool with that. Id rather have some tech talk.
You must be PS4. :/.i feel for you. Shes pretty fun!

Can you air teleport twice or just once? As in can you air teleport, jump attack on block, and teleport again? Or teleport, fireball, teleport again? Regular or EX version?

Yea the PS4 wait is too real. -.-

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

can we all please stop thinking this is a "zoning" variation?

k thx.

 

[Reauxbot]

Can you air teleport twice or just once? As in can you air teleport, jump attack on block, and teleport again? Or teleport, fireball, teleport again? Regular or EX version?

Yea the PS4 wait is too real. -.-

Ill definitely try that out for you when i get back home. I didnt think of that. But i think you can and the input would be pretty tight

Edit: possibly due to the hovering from air kicks, maybe there will be leeway

 

[xXstealthflameXx]

can we all please stop thinking this is a "zoning" variation?

k thx.

Multiple fireballs. A move that buffs her fireballs. A teleport away. Hmm...whether or not this is the case, it definitely appears to be zoning so I for one will politely say no, not yet. K thx.

 

[Reauxbot]

Multiple fireballs. A move that buffs her fireballs. A teleport away. Hmm...whether or not this is the case, it definitely appears to be zoning so I for one will politely say no, not yet. K thx.

Feels more like she can force you to make mistakes you know?
Someone tries to sprint across from fireballs or run and duck their way in get hit by an incoming teleport.
Space control seema very good on paper.
Not sure about MKXs air properties as this is my first solid one, but can you throw and air fireball and then teleport maybe? Kinda like how you can whiff a punch with Sonya or Kung Lao and still divekick

 

[Reauxbot]

Can you air teleport twice or just once? As in can you air teleport, jump attack on block, and teleport again? Or teleport, fireball, teleport again? Regular or EX version?

Yea the PS4 wait is too real. -.-

Just attempted two air teleports.
It will not let a second one happen.
However it will buffer the second teleport into a grounded one.

 

[Reauxbot]

Has anyone messed with the shenanigans you get outta teleport though? Holy shit. You can go low or overhead. Both very unsafe ans knockdown. But still there

 

[DarksydeDash]

Dang if you are able to land both MB fireballs after they are hit with the dust, you get 22% and over 7% chip. God she is amazing. <3

 

[Riyo]

Top 5 EASILY.

 

[Jimmypotato]

Multiple fireballs. A move that buffs her fireballs. A teleport away. Hmm...whether or not this is the case, it definitely appears to be zoning so I for one will politely say no, not yet. K thx.

It's not about Projectile zoning in the classic NRS sense since the recovery on ground and air fire ball are not too great,

It really is about tagging em with the Dark Shroud move and then hitting a 17 percent fire ball on that ass.


The real juice to me seems to be the Armor on the Dark Shroud move and hit advantage affter since almost all her strings start with Highs.
Only tested on a few strings but it's pretty easy to blow things up like Sonyas B14 and what not.

Or since the move is only -4, I was trying stuff like this when I new they were going to block, Jump in punch 34~Dark Shroud, then do EX dark shroud if you know they like to hit buttons, you could do the same with say EX Cannon Drill for a combo, as long as they arent Lao or something and spin you. It beats alot of things though.

The other Juice I like is the Speed and properties on the EX Fire Ball. It's insanely fast, hits mid and doesn't arc, if you have shroud on them, they have to respect this move.


Character is alotta fun.

 

[Johnny San]

Gets some advantage off F2 and 34 Tele Cancel.