Question - Hollywood Hollywood Nerfs: How Are They Affecting Your Playstyle?

[DevilMaySpy]

Now that I've gotten my initial tears out of the way, I've accepted that adjustments have to be made to my gameplay. I can no longer get a free d3/d4 check after F34 or B124. B124 could be backdashed or armored out of, so I see no reason for that nerf, but I digress. As for combos, I've found good 37-42%'s and I'm sure you're all working hard to get "new" 40%+ BnBs. With that said, has anyone gotten any casual/online games in yet to test how this patch has affected your gameplay? What habits have you broken or do you plan to break with the lack of frame advantage? Does your muscle memory still attempt F34 combos?

 

[Scott The Scot]

Honestly if B124, according to the frame date, is +1 then it's in my favour. It's all about reads I think, and they'll play my game:
I like to condition my opponent by doing a low poke after the string so when they finally block my d3 (-3 on block, 7f starup) I can block, then they can try to counter poke but I'll counter poke them since I can't be punished and I've just blocked their poke - leaving me at an advantage again. Once they're scared, I'll start throwing their ass which forces them to make a choice since that threat is there and made aware to them. If I think they're going to just try and throw out a high or mid move that's slower than 5 frames then I'll just use my 6f 2 and go straight into a combo (unless they read and block lol).

That's what I do and it's been working successfully so far. If it stops working then I'll be more cautious and think of something else

As for F34 - I don't use Hollywood so I don't use that string!

 

[Pan1cMode]

Now that I've gotten my initial tears out of the way, I've accepted that adjustments have to be made to my gameplay. I can no longer get a free d3/d4 check after F34 or B124. B124 could be backdashed or armored out of, so I see no reason for that nerf, but I digress. As for combos, I've found good 37-42%'s and I'm sure you're all working hard to get "new" 40%+ BnBs. With that said, has anyone gotten any casual/online games in yet to test how this patch has affected your gameplay? What habits have you broken or do you plan to break with the lack of frame advantage? Does your muscle memory still attempt F34 combos?

The lack of frame advantage after b124 is a big effect. b124 could be armoured through and the follow up backdashed or armoured anyway so I don't get it but whatever.

 

[DevilMaySpy]

Honestly if B124, according to the frame date, is +1 then it's in my favour. It's all about reads I think, and they'll play my game:
I like to condition my opponent by doing a low poke after the string so when they finally block my d3 (-3 on block, 7f starup) I can block, then they can try to counter poke but I'll counter poke them since I can't be punished and I've just blocked their poke - leaving me at an advantage again. Once they're scared, I'll start throwing their ass which forces them to make a choice since that threat is there and made aware to them. If I think they're going to just try and throw out a high or mid move that's slower than 5 frames then I'll just use my 6f 2 and go straight into a combo (unless they read and block lol).

That's what I do and it's been working successfully so far. If it stops working then I'll be more cautious and think of something else

As for F34 - I don't use Hollywood so I don't use that string!

B124 is 0 on block now. A lot of plus strings in general got hit hard.

The lack of frame advantage after b124 is a big effect. b124 could be armoured through and the follow up backdashed or armoured anyway so I don't get it but whatever.

Same here, but if this nerf is universal then I won't complain about it too much. I just don't want my plus strings taken away if I have to eat others.

 

[Scott The Scot]

B124 is 0 on block now. A lot of plus strings in general got hit hard.

I just checked it. You are correct, but the in-game frame data is wrong then

I'll still do what I said.

 

[RiBBz22]

Playstyle is pretty much the same. We have to respect more options after b124, which sucks but plus strings being corrected happened across the cast. Her combos and options using f34 now being nuked by NRS really makes the character a lot more generic in my opinion. I don't even care about the changes to overall damage, I just hate that the character has become less unique and the combos I had so much fun messing with are now dead. Chip strings using f34 into ex gunshot are dead as well so we will just need to find another string to link into that going forward which isn't too big of a deal.

 

[Zebster]

Playstyle is pretty much the same. We have to respect more options after b124, which sucks but plus strings being corrected happened across the cast. Her combos and options using f34 now being nuked by NRS really makes the character a lot more generic in my opinion. I don't even care about the changes to overall damage, I just hate that the character has become less unique and the combos I had so much fun messing with are now dead. Chip strings using f34 into ex gunshot are dead as well so we will just need to find another string to link into that going forward which isn't too big of a deal.

Would the b212d1+2 xx EX gunshot be a good replacement? The opponent is forced to block it after ex nut kracker, and it does about 10% in chip damage, and can't be interrupted.

 

[Saionide]

combos are different, lost ia guns, lost insta jf1... other than that not much has changed

 

[RYX]

NRS took all of Cassie's + frames and gave them to Goro

so i'm pretty happy with these changes

 

[Wrath0594]

Edit: God tier profile pic above ^^^

There a changelog for this stuff? All I saw were some patchnotes on reddit and they didn't list any of this. Not that it matters for at least a month since I'm on PC, lol.

 

[ForeverKing]

NRS took all of Cassie's + frames and gave them to Goro

so i'm pretty happy with these changes

Goro stole everyone's frame advantage lol. Kung Jin, Cassie etc. They all got hit by Goro lmao

 

[DevilMaySpy]

Playstyle is pretty much the same. We have to respect more options after b124, which sucks but plus strings being corrected happened across the cast. Her combos and options using f34 now being nuked by NRS really makes the character a lot more generic in my opinion. I don't even care about the changes to overall damage, I just hate that the character has become less unique and the combos I had so much fun messing with are now dead. Chip strings using f34 into ex gunshot are dead as well so we will just need to find another string to link into that going forward which isn't too big of a deal.

I know for a fact B1+EX Guns and B2+EX Guns cannot be interrupted.

Goro stole everyone's frame advantage lol. Kung Jin, Cassie etc. They all got hit by Goro lmao

So you lose and win at the same time

 

[Sulfur]

So does Spec Ops straight up outclass Hollywood now?

 

[Wrath0594]

So does Spec Ops straight up outclass Hollywood now?

I mean, did they change her ex nutpunch or 50/50 outside of f34? Because if not it still has strong uses.

 

[RiBBz22]

Would the b212d1+2 xx EX gunshot be a good replacement? The opponent is forced to block it after ex nut kracker, and it does about 10% in chip damage, and can't be interrupted.

Just don't do it anywhere near an interactable lol. Yeah I would use that or even 123 just because the last hit of it does 1.75% chip.

 

[xKhaoTik]

combos are different, lost ia guns, lost insta jf1... other than that not much has changed

she didnt lose iaGuns

 

[Methysan]

Bit out of the loop, just got MKX a few days ago. So this change

• Corrected many normal attacks that were intended to be 0 or negative on block were being overridden to be +2

makes B124 0 on block now right? What's so bad about that? I mean objectively it's worse than +2 but not terrible right? And F34 sucks for combos, yes?

 

[DevilMaySpy]

Bit out of the loop, just got MKX a few days ago. So this change

• Corrected many normal attacks that were intended to be 0 or negative on block were being overridden to be +2

makes B124 0 on block now right? What's so bad about that? I mean objectively it's worse than +2 but not terrible right? And F34 sucks for combos, yes?

We used to have frame advantage, and now we don't. This is bad because the 4 of the string could be backdashed or armored out of already. F34 knocks people down immediately now. We used to be able to do it up to 3 times in a combo. Now we can't use it at all in combos unless it's going to kill. It also used to be + on block so we could maintain pressure. Now we have to back off.

 

[G4S Claude VonStroke]

Sigh

 

[EMPR_BloodyFetus]

How did quan chi's dragon cooldown affect me? Dropped him immediately

 

[vicious1024]

Contesting Cassie's 6/7f options is tough for a lot of the cast, even while she is 0 on block.

 

[Saionide]

she didnt lose iaGuns

she can no longer do air akimbo 1f after her jump, ai guns used to be able to hit crouchers. This change also affected her instant jf1 which converted into damage in air to air. This hurt her neutral but isn't that big of a deal. mixing between anti air options was a good way to catch people off guard.

 

[xKhaoTik]

she can no longer do air akimbo 1f after her jump, ai guns used to be able to hit crouchers. This change also affected her instant jf1 which converted into damage in air to air. This hurt her neutral but isn't that big of a deal. mixing between anti air options was a good way to catch people off guard.

Wrong. She can still do guns as soon as she jumps. The nerf to attacks after the first frame of a jump only effected normals, not specials.

 

[Saionide]

My bad, I have not been able to land ia guns on crouchers post patch.

 

[Superi0rMagik]

Poor bby girl! f34 was so good in combos and as a block string in general imo their was no reason to take that away. Not only that but to make it knock them down was just omg. Time to use Spec Ops.