Match-up Discussion Ares match up discussion 1.06

[Mr Aquaman]

Dude you are the shit. Thanks for all the help. When I get a cc, ima show the the fruits of my labor. Hopefully I can get videos of my invisibility set-ups in match.

Okay so here is me vs revolver, we have familiarity with each other, some usual gimmicks here but you can see especially late in the set some real stuff. The thing that bothers me the most in the MU that isn't the armor is the orb. it's his way of stopping ares from teleporting for FREE. He gets to force a block and either close the space then mix up or nets him a free trait activation. He also is really good at reading teleports and thinknig ahead of me with a mine setup. Mind games. He is not too difficult to block outside of the corner. Lex risks a lot with 50.50's into suck in, Ares punishes like a sum bitch. His hitbox allows for easy conversions off of f2, 3 into instant j1 interact otg which I love. He only has the 1 wake up option, so reversing it in the corner pretty much fucks him. Any hit stun into a j2 is ambigious as hell on him, like 1,1,2 or 2,2 if you have no sword feel free to check him with it. If he throws out an orb close to you force him into a block and time the orb and MB godsmack, he will be waiting for the laser to force a block and will not be scouting it. So you absorb the laser and bnb off gs. Godsmack setups you can delay a sec to beat out WU corpse charge, but its a huge risk. Off a bar being taking or full screen stand off always check with sword to negate trait startup or orbs, helps a lot. Throw a lot of friggin dark energies and tele aways. And theres a small analysis.

 

[orochiDragon]

So I was playing last night, when what I thought was a wild scrub appeared. He picks Grundy and I proceeded to hand him his ass. After few beating he decided to pick AM.....I get the first win and go 7 wins to his 1. This is where things go haywire. He proceeded to kick my ass till he came back and took the ten set 10-8. I couldn't do a thing lol. I usually have trouble with AM and I really need help with this mu. How do u get around his seemingly perfect buttons? Footsies is a total no go and his scoop beats my mb armor every time lol.

 

[Mr Aquaman]

So I was playing last night, when what I thought was a wild scrub appeared. He picks Grundy and I proceeded to hand him his ass. After few beating he decided to pick AM.....I get the first win and go 7 wins to his 1. This is where things go haywire. He proceeded to kick my ass till he came back and took the ten set 10-8. I couldn't do a thing lol. I usually have trouble with AM and I really need help with this mu. How do u get around his seemingly perfect buttons? Footsies is a total no go and his scoop beats my mb armor every time lol.

Instead of going for armor on his WU do godsmack, if timed perfect it will beat out every wake up, and if you delay it scoop will whiff or only catch the second hit of it and still beat him out. But also learn to just stuff his wakeups with normals like stand 3 and 2. Footsies is rough, i try and avoid it and just play the zoning game with him. Ill talk more later.

 

[WannabePlayer]

Anyone feeling like reviving this thread and discussing matchups?
These are my Ares matchups.

DISCLAIMER: KEEP IN MIND THAT I AM HUMAN AND I HAVE BIAS AND THESE NUMBERS MAY NOT REPRESENT THE TRUE ARES MATCHUP NUMBERS. THESE ARE JUST WHAT I FEEL AND NOTHING HERE IS TO BE TAKEN AS FACT OR TRUTH. READ IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. THIS IS FOR A DISCUSSION, THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO HOPEFULLY REACH MORE ACCURATE MATCHUP NUMBERS CLOSER TO THE TRUE VALUE. KEEP IN MIND THAT MATCHUP NUMBERS REFLECT JUST THAT, AND DON'T TAKE PLAYER ABILITY (OR INABILITY) INTO ACCOUNT!
(I feel like this should be copied and pasted before anyone posts matchup numbers )

Aquaman 3-7
Bane 4-6
Batgirl 4-6
Batman 7-3 or hard 4-6
Black Adam 5-5 or very light 4-6
Catwoman 5-5 or 4-6 (I don't have much experience with this MU)
Cyborg 6-4
Deathstroke 4-6 (light 4-6)
Doomsday 4-6 or 3-7
Flash 4-6
Green Arrow 4-6
Green Lantern 5-5 or light 4-6
Harley Quinn ?? Not enough matchup experience
Hawkgirl 4-6
Joker 5-5
Killer Frost 5-5 or light 4-6
Lex Luthor 5-5 or 6-4
Lobo 4-6
Martian Manhunter 3-7
Nightwing 4-6
Raven 5-5 or light 4-6
Scorpion 4-6
Shazam ?? Not enough matchup experience
Sinestro HARD 4-6 or light 3-7
Solomon Grundy 4-6 or light 3-7
Superman 4-6
Wonder Woman 4-6 or 5-5
Zatanna ?? Not enough matchup experience
Zod 4-6 or tough 5-5

So am I an up player, a downplayer, or am I being reasonable?

 

[4x4lo8o]

Anyone feeling like reviving this thread and discussing matchups?
These are my Ares matchups.

DISCLAIMER: KEEP IN MIND THAT I AM HUMAN AND I HAVE BIAS AND THESE NUMBERS MAY NOT REPRESENT THE TRUE ARES MATCHUP NUMBERS. THESE ARE JUST WHAT I FEEL AND NOTHING HERE IS TO BE TAKEN AS FACT OR TRUTH. READ IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. THIS IS FOR A DISCUSSION, THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO HOPEFULLY REACH MORE ACCURATE MATCHUP NUMBERS CLOSER TO THE TRUE VALUE. KEEP IN MIND THAT MATCHUP NUMBERS REFLECT JUST THAT, AND DON'T TAKE PLAYER ABILITY (OR INABILITY) INTO ACCOUNT!
(I feel like this should be copied and pasted before anyone posts matchup numbers )

Aquaman 3-7
Bane 4-6
Batgirl 4-6
Batman 7-3 or hard 4-6
Black Adam 5-5 or very light 4-6
Catwoman 5-5 or 4-6 (I don't have much experience with this MU)
Cyborg 6-4
Deathstroke 4-6 (light 4-6)
Doomsday 4-6 or 3-7
Flash 4-6
Green Arrow 4-6
Green Lantern 5-5 or light 4-6
Harley Quinn ?? Not enough matchup experience
Hawkgirl 4-6
Joker 5-5
Killer Frost 5-5 or light 4-6
Lex Luthor 5-5 or 6-4
Lobo 4-6
Martian Manhunter 3-7
Nightwing 4-6
Raven 5-5 or light 4-6
Scorpion 4-6
Shazam ?? Not enough matchup experience
Sinestro HARD 4-6 or light 7-4
Solomon Grundy 4-6 or light 3-7
Superman 4-6
Wonder Woman 4-6 or 5-5
Zatanna ?? Not enough matchup experience
Zod 4-6 or tough 5-5

So am I an up player, a downplayer, or am I being reasonable?

I don't think there's any way Wonder Woman is even. The rest of them look mostly alright. I don't think Raven's even either but you'd know better than me

I want to hear the opinion of the guy who won Frosty Faustings

 

[Mr Aquaman]

Anyone feeling like reviving this thread and discussing matchups?
These are my Ares matchups.

DISCLAIMER: KEEP IN MIND THAT I AM HUMAN AND I HAVE BIAS AND THESE NUMBERS MAY NOT REPRESENT THE TRUE ARES MATCHUP NUMBERS. THESE ARE JUST WHAT I FEEL AND NOTHING HERE IS TO BE TAKEN AS FACT OR TRUTH. READ IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. THIS IS FOR A DISCUSSION, THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO HOPEFULLY REACH MORE ACCURATE MATCHUP NUMBERS CLOSER TO THE TRUE VALUE. KEEP IN MIND THAT MATCHUP NUMBERS REFLECT JUST THAT, AND DON'T TAKE PLAYER ABILITY (OR INABILITY) INTO ACCOUNT!
(I feel like this should be copied and pasted before anyone posts matchup numbers )

Aquaman 3-7
Bane 4-6
Batgirl 4-6
Batman 7-3 or hard 4-6
Black Adam 5-5 or very light 4-6
Catwoman 5-5 or 4-6 (I don't have much experience with this MU)
Cyborg 6-4
Deathstroke 4-6 (light 4-6)
Doomsday 4-6 or 3-7
Flash 4-6
Green Arrow 4-6
Green Lantern 5-5 or light 4-6
Harley Quinn ?? Not enough matchup experience
Hawkgirl 4-6
Joker 5-5
Killer Frost 5-5 or light 4-6
Lex Luthor 5-5 or 6-4
Lobo 4-6
Martian Manhunter 3-7
Nightwing 4-6
Raven 5-5 or light 4-6
Scorpion 4-6
Shazam ?? Not enough matchup experience
Sinestro HARD 4-6 or light 7-4
Solomon Grundy 4-6 or light 3-7
Superman 4-6
Wonder Woman 4-6 or 5-5
Zatanna ?? Not enough matchup experience
Zod 4-6 or tough 5-5

So am I an up player, a downplayer, or am I being reasonable?

The only mu's I can really disagree with are Lobo, DS, Aquaman, and maybe Hawkgirl
rest are all very reasonable and I can't disagree

 

[xInfra Deadx]

I don't think there's any way Wonder Woman is even. The rest of them look mostly alright. I don't think Raven's even either but you'd know better than me

I want to hear the opinion of the guy who won Frosty Faustings

@N1k0lasss

 

[orochiDragon]

Lol that sinestro match up.
Seems legit.

 

[WannabePlayer]

I don't think there's any way Wonder Woman is even. The rest of them look mostly alright. I don't think Raven's even either but you'd know better than me

I want to hear the opinion of the guy who won Frosty Faustings

I feel it's a 4-6, but not that bad of a 4-6. Fucky Ducky says it's a 5-5. What do you think?

The only mu's I can really disagree with are Lobo, DS, Aquaman, and maybe Hawkgirl
rest are all very reasonable and I can't disagree

What are your numbers for those matchups? The reason why I felt Lobo was 4-6 was because while Lobo loses fullscreen, I feel it's pretty easy for him to get in. Deathstroke I feel has a slight advantage as long as they use zoning sparingly. Aquaman wrecks my shit, and Hawkgirl's pressure is hard to deal with. How would you describe these matchups?

Lol that sinestro match up.
Seems legit.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic. I can never tell with you TYMers.

 

[Amplified$hotz]

I feel it's a 4-6, but not that bad of a 4-6. Fucky Ducky says it's a 5-5. What do you think?


What are your numbers for those matchups? The reason why I felt Lobo was 4-6 was because while Lobo loses fullscreen, I feel it's pretty easy for him to get in. Deathstroke I feel has a slight advantage as long as they use zoning sparingly. Aquaman wrecks my shit, and Hawkgirl's pressure is hard to deal with. How would you describe these matchups?


Not sure if you're being sarcastic. I can never tell with you TYMers.

7-4? Ares got beaten so bad he asked for an extra game?

 

[Shaazzyam]

Ares 9-1s Superman online guise

Offline who knows it seems even

 

[Mr Aquaman]

I feel it's a 4-6, but not that bad of a 4-6. Fucky Ducky says it's a 5-5. What do you think?


What are your numbers for those matchups? The reason why I felt Lobo was 4-6 was because while Lobo loses fullscreen, I feel it's pretty easy for him to get in. Deathstroke I feel has a slight advantage as long as they use zoning sparingly. Aquaman wrecks my shit, and Hawkgirl's pressure is hard to deal with. How would you describe these matchups?

Raven feels like it might be a 4-6 but as for now I have it as a 5-5.

Lobo, yeah ares has the upperhand at full screen, the only thing lobo has to hold is axe. Lobo's way it is easily blown up by MBDE, I def waste the meter here to keep him out and keep him thinking. Also b1 stops multiple dash in's quite well. Lobo has a terrible time trying to oki ares, but he does have options that even lobo players don't utilize (simply waiting then chaining in the direction post reg teleport) But in footsie range stand 3 will beat b1 but at max range b1 is superior in range. The only thing I get wrecked by are his tick throws, but that isn't mu based lol. Respect his frame traps, be careful with air to airs real close his j1 is actually really good and can beat our j1, I am sure I missed a billion things, I can show a vid of me and decay.

DS, I have talked a whole lot about this MU. Ares def loses this MU full screen. Wing and a prayer teleporting in unless you have meter. I believe ares has a stronger normal game and up close game than ds does. Ares d2 actually works wonder in this MU against J3, b1 outranges all of his normals. And his 7f d1 makes it easier on our frame trap. On KD ares MBF3 beats both of his WU options flip and spin, timing can be tricky.

Aquaman stay out of b1 range, if he dashes toss a d1. Never be afraid to throw de full screen, it will trade with ftd, and most aquaman will be hitting the MB button and it will trade and cause a waste of a bar. After a blocked de they will surely check you with ftd, godsmacking in works a lot vs him in these situations. hard reads though. On knockdown a perfectly timed gs beats all his wake ups. So will a perfectly timed stand 3 so on. In pressure, when you open am up, see him trait, immediately godsmack, they will be so occupied with blocking once they hit that trait button I gaurentee it will hit.

An ultra lame HG may win the MU, i havent played a whole lot, its usually aggressive ones, heres an example of an offline set with someone who usually gave me trouble till I tried some new things.

 

[GGA N1k0lasss]

I don't think there's any way Wonder Woman is even. The rest of them look mostly alright. I don't think Raven's even either but you'd know better than me

I want to hear the opinion of the guy who won Frosty Faustings

From my experience with WoWo i feel its a 4 -6

 

[KingsHaki]

From my experience with WoWo i feel its a 4 -6

I think WoWo is 5-5 or maybe even 6-4 from my experience. Ares can keep her out pretty well with blast, sword, axe, and j1. Just make her scared by holding out trait if you need to recharge either axe or sword. She can't parry axe or sword to get in so mix it up. Blast, sword, axe beat iadg if timed correctly. Also press your adv if she does land a iadg. She'll be scared to jump if you have axe but if she manages to and you don't have it use down + trait to anti air her with sword or j1. Obviously don't try to fight her up close just get away or knock her out as quick as possible. If she gets to her b2 range just hold back and try to predict dashes with your b13 and anti air with j1 (combo into b13 to push her full screen).

 

[xInfra Deadx]

I think WoWo is 5-5 or maybe even 6-4 from my experience. Ares can keep her out pretty well with blast, sword, axe, and j1. Just make her scared by holding out trait if you need to recharge either axe or sword. She can't parry axe or sword to get in so mix it up. Blast, sword, axe beat iadg if timed correctly. Also press your adv if she does land a iadg. She'll be scared to jump if you have axe but if she manages to and you don't have it use down + trait to anti air her with sword or j1. Obviously don't try to fight her up close just get away or knock her out as quick as possible. If she gets to her b2 range just hold back and try to predict dashes with your b13 and anti air with j1 (combo into b13 to push her full screen).

Sorry, but with her mobility, eventually she is going to get in on you even with those teleports and her pressure is hard to shake off without pissing meter away. The footsies game is not even comparable as she out ranges Ares pretty badly with B2. Also, his D1's range is nearly halved due to WoWo's funky lower hitbox. Trying to anti air her is nearly suicidal when she has J3 in which Ares cannot anti air at all.

This is nowhere close to Ares advantage at all. If you're bodying WoWo players, then they suck, plain and simple.

 

[16 Bit]

I think Catwoman beats Ares. It's one of the few matches where she gets to play her footsies game relatively unhindered. Nikolass and I have always agreed on that.

 

[Red Reaper]

I think Catwoman beats Ares. It's one of the few matches where she gets to play her footsies game relatively unhindered. Nikolass and I have always agreed on that.

Pretty much everyone beats Ares.. lol.

 

[KingsHaki]

Sorry, but with her mobility, eventually she is going to get in on you even with those teleports and her pressure is hard to shake off without pissing meter away. The footsies game is not even comparable as she out ranges Ares pretty badly with B2. Also, his D1's range is nearly halved due to WoWo's funky lower hitbox. Trying to anti air her is nearly suicidal when she has J3 in which Ares cannot anti air at all.

This is nowhere close to Ares advantage at all. If you're bodying WoWo players, then they suck, plain and simple.

Actually I'd say d1's range is halved because of WoWo's floating hitbox while standing. But anyway, a preemptive j1 is what I meant by anti airing unless she's a bit farther away trying to get in on zoning then you can use d + trait for sword or back axe. Yes the close up is hard to deal with but any opportunity can push her full screen or as you said opportunities to use tele should be used if you have the right read. B2 is scary but you don't need to get in on her so let her make the move while backing away, if she makes a jump or dash and you predict it she is full screen if she gets in you are in a tough spot so toss up.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

My thoughts on the matchups...

Aquaman. Same as before, disadvantage, but not bad.
Bane. This feels easier thanks to MB teleports and with the new MB B3 mechanics I feel hurt Bane more than everyone else.
Batgirl. Same as before...only without the up close holes.
Batman. Nothing changed, really. Batman's trait is still a bitch to deal with.
Black Adam. I don't think the matchup has changed much, if at all.
Catwoman. Feels the same. Watch out for her buffed Feline evade as it does act like a better WW's parry up close.
Cyborg. Feels the same. His trait is somewhat usable meaning you have to hit him one more time than usual, but other than that, still wins this.
Deathstroke. Still going to get jumped around like a fool, but at least the Oki game is almost eliminated with MB teleport wakeup...we'll see what happens...
Doomsday. I feel like this matchup got somewhat better.
Flash. Not changed, not getting any better...
Green Arrow. MB Stinger may be a threat in this matchup, Sword projectile will no longer hit GA's low arrow, so more MB Dark Energies pls.
Green Lantern. No OTG means this matchup can only get better.
Harley Quinn. Bleh. She feels weak. I don't know...maybe this is better?
Hawkgirl. Same as before.
Joker. Same as before. Watch your gaps in your strings.
Killer Frost. Same as before. Stupid ass safe slide...
Lex Luthor. Unchanged except for the lance blast buff.
Lobo. Don't let him in...
Martian Manhunter. Getting through his zoning shenanigans will be tough to deal with. Paitence is key in this matchup.
Nightwing. The Nightwing buff sucks...but he's still suspectible to zoning. Need more Nightwing experience though ;_;
Raven. Unchanged.
Scorpion. This got worse.
Shazam. Nothing changed other than longer command grab. Meh.
Sinestro. Definately better.
Solomon Grundy. Grundy no catch Ares.
Superman. A lot better, but I don't think it will ever be even the way he zips around.
Wonder Woman. Hopefully this is a better matchup...
Zatanna. Don't know yet. Better air moves might raise some concerns...
Zod. No clue yet.

Wow was I on and off on a lot of these...

Aquaman: Holy shit was I off on this...Shitty match.
Deathstroke and Doomy...ugh. Still trying to wrap my head around that thought.
Cyborg...lol
Green Lantern...OTG still in. *facepalm*
Joker: feels better than once thought.
Biller Frost...do I need to say it by now?
Martian...Yeah this match still sucks.
Scorpion...my personal demon. He doesn't feel as bad when online isn't a factor though.
Sinestro: Nope.
Wonder Woman: Still not a good matchup.
Flash: Still braindead.

 

[Second Saint]

I need help. I hate to say it, but I need help. I've been playing this guy online for a long time, and no matter what I do, I can't deal with his Ares. I'll freely admit that he's a better player than me. He'd already been playing for a year when I got the game and Injustice was the first fighting game I took seriously.

Against every other character he plays, I can at least put up a fight, at best going even or possibly better against Scorpion. But against Ares...it's 20-3 on a good day. When I picked up Wonder Woman, there was a brief period of about a week where I could do decently, but he's since adapted and I have only gotten more free as time goes on. I can't handle his zoning very well, but I think it's mostly the teleports. Either my bad reflexes, lag, or a combination of the two make me completely incapable of punishing the teleport. I theoretically know there are recovery frames if he doesn't MB it, but it sure doesn't feel like it. It feels like he gets a free low/overhead/throw mixup from full screen any damn time he wants.

Any advice? Is Ares just one of those characters that is harder to deal with online? Should I just give up and declare myself a bad (something I had just stopped doing, too)? In short, what do?